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TheKingofSprings posted:Speaking of distance, Ochako gave her a literal slap on the wrist so why isn't she shipped off to deep space right now Yeah, that's what I said a few pages ago. This fight should be over before it began!
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Her disappointment with getting the cop routine from Ochako would be more reasonable if she wasn't actively trying to kill her/others at the time. If you run at someone with a knife their first response is always going to be to get away from the knife.
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TheHan posted:Yeah also, I know this is another personal thing but I struggle to buy Toga as a threat on this level. She's literally just a kid. Her quirk makes her dangerous in chaotic situations and for surprise attacks but in a head on fight it really feels like she would be clobbered. Stuffing her roster full of generic nomu to pad out the fight is an alright solution but it just feels like her personality and quirk are better suited for a more personal conflict and not a big splashy hero fight. She's a massive threat to people with normal physical abilities. She's super fast, seems to have either extensive fighting training or inborn talent(look at how she dodges around poo poo and recovers), and has zero hesitation when it comes to stabbing someone fatally. That'll get you pretty far when it comes to killing people. She shouldn't really be a threat to Deku, which is presumably why Horikoshi made up the "she can't be spotted by danger sense!" thing to lessen the gap. She could easily kill a significant amount of 1A, as an example. Only the protagonist trio with their massive AoE attacks, Kirishima with his ability to become immune to knives, and maybe Tokoyami with Dark Shadow out are really terrible matchups for her.
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Lord_Magmar posted:And for me them being imprisoned and helped via therapy whilst the society that failed them is fixed so it doesn't fail others like them is the good ending. I don't think they should get to go free, I just don't think they should be killed or treated as inhuman monsters for being crushed under the pressure of society. Do we even know how many kills Toga has actually made, because she's only been a killer for like, a year at this point surely. Given she's not meant to be much older than the 1A class and started killing in high school. Which is not a mitigating factor, but I don't think she's got "dozens" of kills under her belt either. I think the only real way this can end for Shigaraki is Deku turns him good again through the standard anime combination of speeches, a violent beating, and a last minute offer of redemption and then he sacrifices himself to take out AFO and save everybody. Because that's how Return of the Jedi did it. They might still keep him alive and send him to jail the way they kept Obi-Wan Toshinori alive, but it'll still be rough to claim that all of the stuff he did recently was just magic demonic possession unless he does some spectacular act of redemption. Long-shot ending is Eri rewinds the villains into literal childhood and they get a do-over because they had some lovely circumstances.
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Brandfarlig posted:Her disappointment with getting the cop routine from Ochako would be more reasonable if she wasn't actively trying to kill her/others at the time. Right, I agree. It was also reasonable and pragmatic for the authorities to assassinate Twice. No one, not even the story, is saying it's unreasonable to defend yourself. If you're asking for reasonable behavior from Toga, you're missing the point - she's an antagonist and this is a shounen manga, she's there to provide a fight. However, the other thing is that the entire motivation of the main character is that he wants to be a hero who saves everyone and Ochako wants to follow his example. It's not "everyone with some exceptions" it's "everyone". Solanumai fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Mar 19, 2022 |
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It's kinda odd that Mineta is a creeper played for comedy while Toga is a creeper played for drama and you don't really have any intersection there, like Mineta learning his behavior could be seen as weird and off-putting as Lady Stabbington. Ah well.
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On the other hand, Mineta has not been anything more than a cardboard cutout for almost a decade now, while Toga is one of the few characters the story still actually focuses on, once in a while.
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Yeah, Mineta hasn't done anything creepy in a while. It was just a random thought that came to mind for if the story wasn't rocketing to the end.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:It's kinda odd that Mineta is a creeper played for comedy while Toga is a creeper played for drama and you don't really have any intersection there, like Mineta learning his behavior could be seen as weird and off-putting as Lady Stabbington. They should get got off screen like the other creeper.
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really torn on how i feel about this one. all the pieces are there, mostly in the right spots, to make it work out. we've got the conflicted Ochako, knowing same as Deku that the standard solution they already have isn't the right one and having thought about it, Toga as the living embodiment of a question the series has theoretically been asking in the background the whole time, with both societal and individual reasons not to trust Ochako. ideally i feel like we'd have a little extra character development from Ochako before now to really link it to this fight, but that's nothing a little mid-fight flashback can't fix. in theory this should really be a solid time to really finalize and then send the core message of the story home with the toga shigaraki one-two... except the previous few arcs have all felt rushed and like they haven't paid off with much aside from looking cool and then ending shy of connecting to much. im still (extremely) cautiously optimistic??  this is all stuff that the whole story has been setting up for years now, not some late addition (with a new editor i remember people saying?) like the past few arcs. like i definitely get why other people are checked out, im def paying more attention to other comics as well at this point, but i still feel like theres enough Long Term Intention to land this one well enough, even if i've mostly lost faith in the shigaraki follow-up working all that well lmao
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Just give Toga a boy-/girlfriend with a regeneration quirk and a masochistic streak already so she can have all the blood she wants.
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Siliziumleben posted:Just give Toga a boy-/girlfriend with a regeneration quirk and a masochistic streak already so she can have all the blood she wants. And this is how you tie the theory that the Doctor took a regeneration quirk from Izuku into him dating Toga in a fanfic.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:It's kinda odd that Mineta is a creeper played for comedy while Toga is a creeper played for drama and you don't really have any intersection there, like Mineta learning his behavior could be seen as weird and off-putting as Lady Stabbington. Tbf the “joke” with Mineta is usually that he’s creepy and deserves to get dunked on. I guess it’s subjective but he’s by far the best version of that character trope to me cause the joke isn’t “oh Mineta wants to peep on girls with the peep hole how incorrigible”, it’s “Mineta gets stabbed in the eye because he was trying to be a creep, duck that guy” while not getting to see anything which itself is kinda self aware that he’s creepy and off putting.
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the toga situation getting perfectly wrapped up as toga and mineta are introduced to each other and both of them freak out like "wait is this what ppl think I'm like???"
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No matter what happens, Deku having no idea how to approach romance will always get a laugh out of me. 
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Siliziumleben posted:Just give Toga a boy-/girlfriend with a regeneration quirk and a masochistic streak already so she can have all the blood she wants. If it weren't for the age gap, her and Shoji would've been a perfect couple.
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I still don't like that Midnight was just openly paedophilic
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I have to wonder how a superheroine who is literally called R-Rated and is just straight up a dominatrix was considered an appropriate teacher for children.
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:I have to wonder how a superheroine who is literally called R-Rated and is just straight up a dominatrix was considered an appropriate teacher for children. It's all about who you know, and she knew a talking rat.
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RareAcumen posted:If it weren't for the age gap, her and Shoji would've been a perfect couple. They're the same age?
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I'm still hinging my bets on the series ending with deku ultimately giving one for all to all for one and it just turns out to be too much power and he explodes or something. Or melts down into a glowing baby and the villain gets his redemption/saved moment by being reborn as a glowing, innocent, child.
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Nuebot posted:I'm still hinging my bets on the series ending with deku ultimately giving one for all to all for one and it just turns out to be too much power and he explodes or something. Or melts down into a glowing baby and the villain gets his redemption/saved moment by being reborn as a glowing, innocent, child. Yeah, I was thinking something like One For All and All for One cancelling out mathematically and just leaving the person completely quirkless.
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That sounds both really dumb and really unlikely. Goons continue to impress me with their ability to come up with plots even worse than what is actually going to happen.
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Kild posted:They're the same age? Huh, I thought she was in like her 20's
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RareAcumen posted:Huh, I thought she was in like her 20's No, she's at most a second or third year high school student. Probably Camie/Mirio's age, if not the same age as Izuku's class entirely. She literally wears her middle school/high school uniform still, and only started being a killer in the last year or two after her breakdown. Toga being in her 20s would actually make everything about her much worse. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Lord_Magmar posted:No, she's at most a second or third year high school student. Probably Camie/Mirio's age, if not the same age as Izuku's class entirely. She literally wears her middle school/high school uniform still, and only started being a killer in the last year or two after her breakdown. Toga is 17 or 18 currently.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Toga is 17 or 18 currently. Quick check 17, 1 year older than Izuku and his classmates (who are all 16) same age as Camie, 1 year younger than Mirio and his friends.
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Lord_Magmar posted:No, she's at most a second or third year high school student. Probably Camie/Mirio's age, if not the same age as Izuku's class entirely. She literally wears her middle school/high school uniform still, and only started being a killer in the last year or two after her breakdown. Yeah I thought she was much closer to Shigaraki's age and she'd been a rogue wandering knife in alleyways for a while after her breakdown and not that she immediately went from that one murder to professional supervillain.
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RareAcumen posted:Yeah I thought she was much closer to Shigaraki's age and she'd been a rogue wandering knife in alleyways for a while after her breakdown and not that she immediately went from that one murder to professional supervillain. Shigaraki is only 20 years old. Dude’s barely out of being a teenager. He’s closer in age to Toga than most of the rest of the League I’m pretty sure. Toga’s break down was at age 13 or 14 I think, in middle school still. Roughly would have happened a year before Izuku got One for all at 14.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Shigaraki is only 20 years old. Dude’s barely out of being a teenager. He’s closer in age to Toga than most of the rest of the League I’m pretty sure. That explains why I got confused! I thought her break down was like, 16 at the latest and she was just kinda on the run for a bit before she got brought into the League. But yeah I thought she was like 20 or 21 like he was.
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I wonder if it will be ever explained where her ninja skills came from. I also vaguely remember that Girard boasted about her when he introduced her to the League, hyping her as someone far more important than a teenager who happened to murder someone.
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Froppy is so effortlessly cool and I hope she'll become a Best Jeanist type hero
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Tampa Bae posted:Froppy is so effortlessly cool and I hope she'll become a Best Jeanist type hero Best Frogist
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Lt. Lizard posted:I wonder if it will be ever explained where her ninja skills came from. I also vaguely remember that Girard boasted about her when he introduced her to the League, hyping her as someone far more important than a teenager who happened to murder someone. Yeah the "Toga is an elite super ninja who can stab people to death with zero hesitation and also easily participate in deep cover recon jobs where she impersonates people for an extended period of time" and "Toga is a random teenager who killed one person before disappearing off the grid" is a weird disconnect that doesn't really work.
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We also have no idea how Dabi survived roasting himself nearly to death as a child.
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Kanos posted:Yeah the "Toga is an elite super ninja who can stab people to death with zero hesitation and also easily participate in deep cover recon jobs where she impersonates people for an extended period of time" and "Toga is a random teenager who killed one person before disappearing off the grid" is a weird disconnect that doesn't really work. Comic books. Fabricated posted:We also have no idea how Dabi survived roasting himself nearly to death as a child. Comic. Books.
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Kanos posted:Yeah the "Toga is an elite super ninja who can stab people to death with zero hesitation and also easily participate in deep cover recon jobs where she impersonates people for an extended period of time" and "Toga is a random teenager who killed one person before disappearing off the grid" is a weird disconnect that doesn't really work. Kitty Pride.
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Fabricated posted:We also have no idea how Dabi survived roasting himself nearly to death as a child. Dabi can't even die without messing up.
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Lt. Lizard posted:I wonder if it will be ever explained where her ninja skills came from. I also vaguely remember that Girard boasted about her when he introduced her to the League, hyping her as someone far more important than a teenager who happened to murder someone. Isn't that just the baseline for most people in this manga though? Like, why is Stain so incredibly agile, his Quirk doesn't have anything to do with that. Or Eraserhead. Or Shigaraki during the USJ training facility. If you're gonna be a regular fighter in this manga I think you're just a Dragon Ball character before after images regularly become a thing. So like, everyone's Mercenary Tao before we got to all these season 9 power boosts.
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