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Bleck posted:I personally believe that setting unreasonable deadlines and then releasing a faulty product can, and should, be described as incompetence.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Hmmm, companies with lots of money and employees can get ports working perfectly fine on the Switch, yet smaller companies with much less resources cannot. if their stuff works on everything except the switch, yeah, that's where the problem seems to be lol
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Quantum of Phallus posted:it's pretty straight forward, devs know that people who buy AAA games on switch have no other option so they can just be lazy and put out lovely ports. not sure what you don't get
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Foul Fowl posted:oh i wasn't talking about AAA games, i was talking about synthetik, star renegades, and 40k mechanicus when i said their (i.e. the smaller devs') games work perfectly on everything else and were completely hosed on the switch. with no refunds. lol.
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Foul Fowl posted:if their stuff works on everything except the switch, yeah, that's where the problem seems to be lol My dude, if Five Guys can make a good hamburger and Burger King cannot, there is not something fundamentally flawed with hamburgers that makes it impossible for Burger King to make a good one.
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and some people say cucumber taste better pickled
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Foul Fowl posted:the switch has way more broken and lovely ports than any other console. and no refunds. that's why you never buy switch ports at launch. I bought Breath of the Wild at launch and feel pretty good about it. Did I make a mistake?
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Can't quite find the info; anyone know if the upcoming Switch Sports game allows for normal bowling online? Like link up with a friend, bowl 10 frames, done kinda deal? Or is it only the special matchmaking 16-folks survival style?
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MassRafTer posted:I bought Breath of the Wild at launch and feel pretty good about it. Did I make a mistake? why are you asking me?
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Mar 23, 2022 14:21
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Commander Keene posted:I was thinking of "devs" more as the actual front-lines programmers, but yeah, if you're talking about the company as a whole that's not unreasonable. Though a developer with an external publisher can't always set their own deadlines, and there's always investors to answer to so it's not 100% cut and dry even there. Blaming capitalism is much easier. Capitalism rewards laziness and incompetence so long as you’re already rich, which is why the money havers aim straight for the bare minimum. Unless someone is suggesting the frontline devs do a lovely job on purpose, everyone is describing the same problem. (Except the guy bringing up tiny indie studios for whom plain lacking the resources to do a proper port is also a possibility)
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Mar 23, 2022 14:22
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Foul Fowl posted:why are you asking me? You said to never buy ports at launch!
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Morter posted:I blame them going 3d Plenty of 3D games run fine on the Switch. Bad optimization is bad optimization. I know that not every developer has Monolith Soft's technomancers bto optimize their games but being 3D is no reason for a game like Disgaea or Rune Factory to run badly on the Switch. See also: Stranger of Paradise struggling because it's badly optimized with super inflated model detail and some overly complex light/reflection effect on soul bursts.
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MassRafTer posted:You said to never buy ports at launch! i was being hyperbolic it’s obviously fine to buy mainline nintendo games at launch they’re always good, i got burned 3 times on ported games i thought would be good to play handheld but they were broken. not running badly, actually not working. nintendo’s lack of a refund policy has therefore made me wary of buying ported games before i know they will work. and i think it’s a bit weird/suspicious that this has happened so many times on the switch. but i mean buy whatever you want, it’s a free world baby
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Evil Fluffy posted:Plenty of 3D games run fine on the Switch. Bad optimization is bad optimization. Well I mean specifically transitioning to 3D. The devs probably aren't good at it. Also, I hope Wrestling Empire doesn't go on sale anytime soon, 'cause  
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I think it's safe to say that the Switch requires special developer attention to get the most performance out of it, on account of probably being lower spec than your phone at this point. The most incredible AAA ports that people point to, your Dooms and Witchers and such, are typically that good because an entire dedicated studio was contracted in and given a full year+ and a sizable engineering budget to devote to figuring out how to fit a three-course meal into a lunchbox. If you're not one of those titans, than you either have to develop very specifically with the Switch in mind (which may not be possible if you're using an engine version that has crap performance, as a number of Unity games have fallen victim to, and good luck updating to a newer engine version without breaking the whole thing!) or pray that your PC game scales to low enough a spec that it isn't too much of a problem to get it over at a passable speed. I guess what I'm saying is, Rune Factory 5 will probably be on Steam, PS4 and the like in a year.
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Mar 23, 2022 15:23
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The devs should just set the graphics to low, easy
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If you're making a multiplatform game in 2022 and, especially if you're not AAA then you should develop on Switch as your primary target. For one, realistically it's probably where most of your sales volume is going to come from. Aside from that it's the lowest spec platform so as long as you keep that in mind during development of the game you should be OK. The problem comes in when developers target modern PCs or PS5 and then have to do a last-minute cut down to make it run on the Switch, which is never going to be as efficient as just keeping it within constraints during development. Otherwise this is a totally do-able strategy and plenty of smaller studios have gotten this right. The problem with AAA is that folks have high-expectations for the next-gen console versions so they'll necessarily have to look better than a Switch version. People aren't going in with those expectations for Rune Factory though.
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Mar 23, 2022 15:51
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Enter the Gungeon devs dropped their games file size in half for switch learning how to optimize. They then took that lesson to the pc version and everyone wins
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There's a saying in Computer Science, "Premature optimization is the root of all evil." And like I agree with it but that doesn't mean most developers (game, web, and app) need to push their baseline until their development machine struggles just to know that they're alive.
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Foul Fowl posted:oh i wasn't talking about AAA games, i was talking about synthetik, star renegades, and 40k mechanicus when i said their (i.e. the smaller devs') games work perfectly on everything else and were completely hosed on the switch. with no refunds. lol. Mechanicus runs badly on everything, though. I love kerb stomping necrons as much as the next guy, but if it's overheating my laptop enough to shut it down just to run a stripped back XCOM, let's not pretend it runs perfectly.
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I like having DE portably but I knew that was heading to trouble when it didn't particularly run well on the PS4 lol
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I played all of Mechanicus on switch and it stuttered and lagged and ran slow as poo poo and crashed twice But I did play it all. The endgame huge maps with tons of dudes were lol for performance
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Not sure why Nintendo hasn't done a harvest moon / Stardew valley like game yet. I feel like they could do a good one either as an original IP or a fun Mario characters mix. Bowser's Garden of Doom when??
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They did, it's called Pikmin
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flavor.flv posted:They did, it's called Pikmin That's an RTS! I wanna plant toadstools to sell to Captain Toad as fresh conscripts.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Capitalism rewards laziness and incompetence so long as you’re already rich, Yeah I was gonna say that's not incompetence it's 100 percent calculated and is making stakeholders richer than you and I will ever be lmao I also don't agree with the practices and find them appalling but to think it's genuine incompetence is such an innocent view of the industry. I'm sure it's the same everywhere, in my non gaming related industry every time my client fucks my team over they get accolades, bonuses, promotions, new jobs etc. Every time we try to speak up, my bosses shut us down with the fury of a thousand sun and simply replace those who are regularly annoying because bodies are easy to replace. My bosses aren't the ones doin the training or dealing w escalations etc so everyone but the help and our consumers wins! Even if the client is mad, they are all constantly making so much money that it's easy for my bosses to keep them happy while crushing us under their boot KingSlime fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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Commander Keene posted:I was thinking of "devs" more as the actual front-lines programmers, but yeah, if you're talking about the company as a whole that's not unreasonable. Though a developer with an external publisher can't always set their own deadlines, and there's always investors to answer to so it's not 100% cut and dry even there. Blaming capitalism is much easier. Most of the time “devs” aren’t even the ones making decisions on features. It’s very common in software development to have analysts/middlemen coming up with requirements, and the devs are left to figure out how to program those requirements. And the analysts are getting feature requirements from upper management, who are also the ones setting unrealistic deadlines. This is how you end up with crunch, management is setting deadlines based on high level estimates and the devs are forced to try and get everything done before the deadlines. So you’re correct in blaming capitalism, everyone involved is trapped in the same whirlpool.
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Not everyone is trapped. There are definite winners and losers, just so happens that most of us fall and are trapped into the losing side forever.
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Foul Fowl posted:i guess it's a coincidence that so many switch ports are hosed then
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Bug Squash posted:Mechanicus runs badly on everything, though. I love kerb stomping necrons as much as the next guy, but if it's overheating my laptop enough to shut it down just to run a stripped back XCOM, let's not pretend it runs perfectly. yeah you're right but i don't mind if things run badly in turn based games, mechanicus was fine in that sense. what i minded was that it had a bug that corrupted your save at around 25% completion of the game and this took about a month or so to fix, making the game actually unplayable. i also wouldn't mind any of this if nintendo let you refund games.
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American McGay posted:You just got ethered by an actual dev. Go home. 
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please don't fight. in the switch thread we should focus on how great the switch is, and how many great games there are to play.
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KingSlime posted:Yeah I was gonna say that's not incompetence it's 100 percent calculated and is making stakeholders richer than you and I will ever be lmao What you're describing is incompetence. how deliberate it is is immaterial; doing a poo poo job because you know you don't need to do better is still doing a poo poo job
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An Actual Princess posted:please don't fight. in the switch thread we should focus on how great the switch is, and how many great games there are to play. okay sorry. i'm playing olliolli world and it's very good.
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