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its a lenovo and the only certified distro is ubuntu 20.04. i'm not loving with anything else on there i am regretting not putting debian, the best distro, on my desktop though
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Nomnom Cookie posted:its a lenovo and the only certified distro is ubuntu 20.04. i'm not loving with anything else on there sound always works in debian
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Mar 23, 2022 19:54
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Wait so is this ironic posting or does this thread have a consensus that Debian is Best Distro. Debian is my favorite. Why yes, IRC is still valid in tyool 2022.
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Mar 23, 2022 20:08
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https://release.gnome.org/42/ GNOME 42 just released 
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it's hard for your distro to break horribly out of the blue when its packages only get updated every two to five years
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Kazinsal posted:it's hard for your distro to break horribly out of the blue when its packages only get updated every two to five years I've been seeing a lot of apt-get upgrade needs on my Bullseye w/ backports kernel because of security concerns but yes. Containerized apps I want to run at bleeding edge, tried-and-true 90s Civic for everything else.
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Mar 23, 2022 20:14
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i use fedora silverblue and it works very well for me op
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Mar 23, 2022 20:16
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I should have just assumed that the user base of a literal web forum-as-in-forum would agree with me that Debian is good and right, huh.
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Mar 23, 2022 20:24
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it just works
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A Bad King posted:Wait so is this ironic posting or does this thread have a consensus that Debian is Best Distro. it'd be kind of pathetic for the thread to have an actual favourite really, layer on the irony forever. i run debian on my main work machine though.
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mycophobia posted:it just works Unless you're totally unfamiliar with Linux or *nix customs and user space and try to install it via the net-install defaults on bleeding edge hardware from 2022, which will lead you into a command prompt when Debian cannot figure out whatsit with this ??? gpu or wifi 6e chip and really just wants a newer kernel. Yes, I agree though. Debian is really good and I like it. I don't want to janitor a PC with twice-a-week updates and Firefox ESR is better than the default channel. Even if Buster arrived with a kernel old enough to attend preschool and Bullseye a GNOME version not seen since before someone's first impeachment proceeding. A Bad King fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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debian and fedora are both fine to use, debian just requires a bit more up front effort to install everything you'd want in a windows/osx-ish desktop env, fedora comes with defaults that work ok i use fedora on my work pc
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i'm waiting for the h264 patents to finally loving expire so that installing any sort of red hat flavored linux isn't such an enormous ballache from a hardware accelerated video standpoint because that's the only reason why any recommendation to use fedora has to come with a giant burning asterisk then again even if the patent situation wasn't such a mess it still doesn't excuse this absolute godawful bullshit: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Firefox#Hardware_video_acceleration oh well, any day now (it works right now, but very much not out of the box).
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Mar 23, 2022 20:55
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The hardware video acceleration explicitly dodges the patents because the implementation is in the GPU rather than software, Firefox just doesn't support it.
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VAAPI is totally hosed with Iris Xe and that's not changing unless you turn off the content process sandbox. mozilla isn't willing to allow sysv ipc in the content process and for some reason the Iris Xe mesa driver needs sysv ipc. an intel dev says they plan to stop being such fuckups at some point, but who knows when that will happen
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Mar 23, 2022 21:17
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I would counter that the entire concept underlying the Firefox sandbox is the fuckup.
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pseudorandom name posted:I would counter that the entire concept underlying the Firefox sandbox is the fuckup. I love how this thread and the Firefox thread all agree that Firefox is a bit of a mess, but considered the ethical choice in this hellworld.
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Mar 23, 2022 21:32
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Just browse from the command line
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pseudorandom name posted:I would counter that the entire concept underlying the Firefox sandbox is the fuckup. Kamrat posted:Just browse from the command line
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Debian still does that thing where if a hardware driver includes any copyrighted code in it. It wont be included in the distro/kernel that ships. So unless you know this ahead of time and what it takes to dig yourself out of this hole. You end up with newbies who install it and then wonder why sound/wifi/graphics dont work I swear Debian IS the source of the gag "my sound and wifi dont work" Ubuntu solves this but then I guess they also are daring people to sue individual users for using drivers/code/whatever in an unlicensed fashion. There is no way to win.
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linux-firmware consists of freely distributable but nonfree device firmware. debian can legally distribute it just fine, and indeed they do, they just choose not to install it by default because of quixotic stallmanist bullshit
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tbh my solution to that general problem is to go with pc's that are all intel + nvidia gpu. nvidia is trouble on all linuxes, but is for some things just necessary, and it is then at least predictable. intel is probably the best and simultaneously least recognized linux upstanding citizen.
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free as in having to listen to a screed
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Agree on Intel playing nice with all the distros and generally doing things that are Stallman approved. The problem isnt limited to garbage consumer laptops. You can buy and $80,000 server from Dell, and if it happens to be a model that has a Broadcom based chipset in its network card. You'll be SOL with Debian unless you know enough to pxe boot with your own custom kernel or know to plug in a usb device containing the non free fimrware packages.
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Yep. You have to add the nonfree contrib to the sources.list (and Debian will frown) post-install, because even if you select that you desire to include non-free software in the installation, it will not install non-free software during the install, and from my experience it will not add contrib non-free to the sources.list file; you will have a non-working wifi card until you get to the "poo poo's broke" cmd prompt and install firmware-wifiblob if it's anything newer than 2019. Don't even get me started on getting off of pulse and onto pipewire just so you can use those fancy true wireless earbuds you bought.
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why use debian at all
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you should use a distro that isn't made by religious fanatics
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Tankakern posted:why use debian at all least amount of random breakage. in my experience
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Tankakern posted:why use debian at all yeah just use windows and none of this will be a problem.
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Debian - hard core stallmanisim that prevents users from doing obvious tasks Fedora - Good but hope you like upgrading your OS every six months Ubuntu - A graphical user interface that has driven many to madness Arch - lol read the wiki you dumb user. roll up your sleeves and DIY FreeBSD - idk the handbook is good at least ??!?
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:free as in having to listen to a screed free as in timeshare information session?
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:free as in having to listen to a screed free as in toe jam
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A Bad King posted:Unless you're totally unfamiliar with Linux or *nix customs and user space and try to install it via the net-install defaults on bleeding edge hardware from 2022, which will lead you into a command prompt when Debian cannot figure out whatsit with this ??? gpu or wifi 6e chip and really just wants a newer kernel. I think anyone who runs a non LTS on their work machine is insane and loves wasting time. No idea how people bother with something like arch. but whatever
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Amethyst posted:I think anyone who runs a non LTS on their work machine is insane and loves wasting time. No idea how people bother with something like arch. but whatever  Tinkering and distro hopping can be its own fun hobby on a spare machine, though.
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yummycheese posted:Debian - hard core stallmanisim that prevents users from doing obvious tasks this is why Ubuntu server is the best of the pos
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A Bad King posted:Tinkering and distro hopping can be its own fun hobby on a spare machine, though. love too fight with my computer as a hobby
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Debian has a release on their (pretty confusing) website that includes the firmware for stuff like Wi-Fi. I've tried a tonne of distros lately on my pinebook pro because I overwrote my install by accident. Wrote to emmc instead of the sd card. Whoops hit post by accident. Anyway here's my review of each distro: - Fedora works but takes forever to boot for some mysterious reason. - Arch is godawful on arm, AVOID - opensuse's image for pbp just didn't work - Manjaro worked until it mysteriously decided it didn't want to... I think they pushed some broken update to gtk libs or something because poo poo was real hosed up - Void linux worked just fine but I forgot my FDE password and couldn't be bothered to reinstall (it's a chroot-style install) - Armbian didn't work - PostmarketOS - this is based on alpine linux and there are images for lots of different devices. This is what I had on there initially and I regret not reinstalling it immediately because it is by far the easiest and most reliable... given me zero problems and everything works right out of the box. Buck Turgidson fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Buck Turgidson posted:Debian has a release on their (pretty confusing) website christ it's like if the netbsd website maintainers discovered bootstrap
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yummycheese posted:Debian - hard core stallmanisim that prevents users from doing obvious tasks pop_os lts has a good ui looks like they're about to gently caress that all up though by rolling their own DE
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