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Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

The Borg Queen reveals herself to be Rudy Giuliani

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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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If that was the case, its face would be melting off

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Brawnfire posted:

The Borg Queen reveals herself to be Rudy Giuliani

Picard you fool, now I must send you back in time to do 9/11, to make Guliani in to America's Mayor, which somehow leads to him becoming the Borg Queen...it was all so obvious Mon'Capitaine....

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
finally fulfilling *~Gene’s Vision~* by having Q make Picard take the shot from the Grassy Knoll

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Big Mean Jerk posted:

finally fulfilling *~Gene’s Vision~* by having Q make Picard take the shot from the Grassy Knoll

It won't top what Red Dwarf did

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


It's extremely obvious that Jurati is going to end up as the new Borg Queen but it's also extremely doubtful that that is the takeaway/lesson Q is trying to teach here

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I really don't think this is a typical Q lesson

He seemed rattled and maybe desperate, perhaps to save himself using Picard somehow

If he was scared, really scared, I can see him going to Picard

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
The final episode involves Picard shooting John Lennon with a Romulan disruptor to stabilize the timeline.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
I’m still going with my “Q has also been shattered/fragmented like the timeline” theory until proven otherwise.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

Ugh goddamn tried to pick up Discovery from where I left off and I'm just staring at these ridiculous gouts of flame

How am I supposed to take this space show seriously when there's a pair of gas torches fit for a Rainforest Cafe in the back of the bridge shots!? And Book's got the same drat flame gouts.

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003


The Bloop posted:

I really don't think this is a typical Q lesson

He seemed rattled and maybe desperate, perhaps to save himself using Picard somehow

If he was scared, really scared, I can see him going to Picard



Yeah I like that theory a lot too



You know what though? I take it back. I can absolutely see the writers going with "Picard only decides not to blow up the ship because he realizes the new Queen is Agnes."

At some point he's going to tell her the "look up" story, and she's going to end up fully assimilated in the past, and when Q snaps them back to the future Picard is going to realize it's her when she says the line gently caress

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Brawnfire posted:

Ugh goddamn tried to pick up Discovery from where I left off and I'm just staring at these ridiculous gouts of flame

How am I supposed to take this space show seriously when there's a pair of gas torches fit for a Rainforest Cafe in the back of the bridge shots!? And Book's got the same drat flame gouts.
Excuse me, those are official Starfleet bridge flamethrowers

Vitruvian Manic
Dec 5, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

Gonz posted:

The final episode involves Picard shooting John Lennon with a Romulan disruptor to stabilize the timeline.

John, I'm going to introduce you to my friend Sean. he is the greatest scot to have ever lived and he's going to teach you how to treat women. trust me this is important for all of us

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

The Bloop posted:

I really don't think this is a typical Q lesson

He seemed rattled and maybe desperate, perhaps to save himself using Picard somehow

If he was scared, really scared, I can see him going to Picard

Yeah I'm not going as far as to say the Stargazer is UNRELATED to what is happening with Q but I definitely get the impression Q hosed up big somewhere and this isn't the normal shenanigans.

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

A mystery within a mystery within a mystery? Why that's 3 whole dang mysteries!

Eiba
Jul 26, 2007


FlamingLiberal posted:

Excuse me, those are official Starfleet bridge flamethrowers
Honestly, they're so regular and happen every single time, I think... I think this has got to be true.

I think their alarm system isn't just flashing lights- there are also holographic flamethrowers and spark showers that they set off. Like, it's just a couple jets of flames and spark showers that come out of the exact same place every time they're in combat. It's got to be an absurdly futuristic alarm.

Vitruvian Manic
Dec 5, 2021

by Fluffdaddy
One of the problems of nutrek is that instead of one A plot and one B plot covering an hour, they have to have three A plots and two B plots in 9 hours. First, that means they are stretched thin since the ideas would be fine for an hour but feel feel dire when extended to at least twice that long. Second, because of serialization, they have to weave together. So, it leads to mysteries within mysteries within mysteries.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Eiba posted:

Honestly, they're so regular and happen every single time, I think... I think this has got to be true.

I think their alarm system isn't just flashing lights- there are also holographic flamethrowers and spark showers that they set off. Like, it's just a couple jets of flames and spark showers that come out of the exact same place every time they're in combat. It's got to be an absurdly futuristic alarm.

the in-universe explanation is the same as the flashing unlabeled chicklets and painted wooden cubes of TOS. There isn't one, it's just laughable production values.

Delsaber
Oct 1, 2013

This may or may not be correct.

They memory-holed the turbolift caverns and replaced them with pro wrestling entrance pyro. Still dumb as hell but probably a net positive imo

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
yall telling on yourselves for never having been aboard a starship by being shocked and surprised by the exhaust flames

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
800 years of engineering knowledge has made console rocks a thing of the past. Now we just route that energy straight into GIANT FLAMETHROWERS that are conveniently located right by the bridge entrances.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Delsaber posted:

They memory-holed the turbolift caverns and replaced them with pro wrestling entrance pyro. Still dumb as hell but probably a net positive imo

Did we see the turbolift dimension or anything like it in season 4?

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
The in-universe explanation for exploding consoles has always been the EPS conduits behind the panels that run through the entire ship and supply the vast amounts of power the ship's systems need to operate.

It doesn't make sense for lots of reasons but it's been there for decades

AJA
Mar 28, 2015

The Bloop posted:

NuBorg having a hidden face is 100% preparing some big reveal

Probably that it's Micheal Burnham

STAR TREK: PICARD, Season 2, Last Episode Script

Picard: "Maybe they don't know what they have to do!"

Borg Queen: They have to give me a new name. They've already chosen it, they just have to call it out.

Audience: "All right, I'll do it. Star Trek, I'll save you!" The AUDIENCE climbs up to their windows and opens them. They lean out into the storm and call out the name they have chosen for her.

AUDIENCE: MICHAEL BURNHAM!

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
Picard struggles in vain to pull Agnex out of the mud pit she's sinking into

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013
You can tell it's two hours to Midnight PST on a Wednesday because the Trek thread has gone straight bonkers again.

CPColin
Sep 9, 2003

Big ol' smile.
Did Q undo DST :ohdear:

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

AJA posted:

STAR TREK: PICARD, Season 2, Last Episode Script

Picard: "Maybe they don't know what they have to do!"

Borg Queen: They have to give me a new name. They've already chosen it, they just have to call it out.

Audience: "All right, I'll do it. Star Trek, I'll save you!" The AUDIENCE climbs up to their windows and opens them. They lean out into the storm and call out the name they have chosen for her.

AUDIENCE: MICHAEL BURNHAM!

Probably less effective with vod

AJA
Mar 28, 2015

apatheticman posted:

Probably less effective with vod

Everyone (with a Nielsen ratings box) will be assimilated

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE :ffg:

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Snow Cone Capone posted:

Yeah I like that theory a lot too



You know what though? I take it back. I can absolutely see the writers going with "Picard only decides not to blow up the ship because he realizes the new Queen is Agnes."

At some point he's going to tell her the "look up" story, and she's going to end up fully assimilated in the past, and when Q snaps them back to the future Picard is going to realize it's her when she says the line gently caress

And then her helmet falls off and she's scrambling to pick it back up, but it's too late, because he's seen everything.

Erulisse
Feb 12, 2019

A bad poster trying to get better.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

Yeah I like that theory a lot too



You know what though? I take it back. I can absolutely see the writers going with "Picard only decides not to blow up the ship because he realizes the new Queen is Agnes."

At some point he's going to tell her the "look up" story, and she's going to end up fully assimilated in the past, and when Q snaps them back to the future Picard is going to realize it's her when she says the line gently caress

This is so dumb I can see it being an option.
But please no. Let the causation correlation or whatever the gently caress this is called die off in AGT.

AJA
Mar 28, 2015

Snow Cone Capone posted:

At some point he's going to tell her the "look up" story, and she's going to end up fully assimilated in the past, and when Q snaps them back to the future Picard is going to realize it's her when she says the line SHEER loving HUBRIS

Cojawfee posted:

And then her helmet falls off and she's scrambling to pick it back up, but it's too late, because he's seen everything.

(really pissed, I've been Googlin', there's no combo ST:P/Event Horizon .gifs out there. PLACEHOLDER here, anyway) :gaming:

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

AJA posted:

(really pissed, I've been Googlin', there's no combo ST:P/Event Horizon .gifs out there. PLACEHOLDER here, anyway) :gaming:

New Queen's mask pops off. It's Admiral Clancy. Picard blows up the Stargazer all over again out of spite. Q just gives the gently caress up and goes home.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Where we’re going, we won’t need eyes to see.

*Q pops out everyone’s eyes to cartoon sound effects*

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Gonz posted:

Where we’re going, we won’t need eyes to see.

*Q pops out everyone’s eyes to cartoon sound effects*

Picard is not the show for it, sadly, but I really would like at least one Trek show to poke fun at the fact that John DeLancie has been voicing an insane cartoon horse god for the past decade.

xerxus
Apr 24, 2010
Grimey Drawer
apropos of nothing here's a good scene from another time travel story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr82dZpCr48


for Picard 2x04

Guinan's doesn't recognize Picard, so this means that temporal mechanics wise Time's Arrow never happened.

But the Mohawk Punk seemed like he was affected by Spock/Kirk on the bus 3 decades ago.

Time travel inconsistency? In Star Trek??

I think maybe Q is going insane or losing his powers and that the alternate reality was caused by him trying to save Picard but it caused an unintentional change in the timeline.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Welp, Q is definitely sick.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

xerxus posted:

Guinan's doesn't recognize Picard, so this means that temporal mechanics wise Time's Arrow never happened.

That was weird, but it could just be that the Guinan in this episode is literally younger than Time’s Arrow Guinan and at some point this Guinan will travel back in time to the 19th century where she’ll meet Picard again.

- I liked the punk cameo :shrug:
- Rios continues to be charming as hell
- Those cops had giant bodycams and full view of Seven/Raffi transporting, I’m gonna make a wild guess that that plus Rios explaining who he actually was to the ICE fascist will result in even more timeline alterations that they have to fix later. They’re really lampshading it with all the butterfly references.
- Q is definitely losing it
- Having the Watcher be a human Laris (no pointy ears!) feels like a weird swerve that’ll take a legitimately clever explanation to feel earned
- Agnes immediately lying to the Borg Queen and giving her the cold shoulder was good


Episode good, if a bit short.

blastron
Dec 11, 2007

Don't doodle on it!


xerxus posted:

for Picard 2x04

Guinan's doesn't recognize Picard, so this means that temporal mechanics wise Time's Arrow never happened.

But the Mohawk Punk seemed like he was affected by Spock/Kirk on the bus 3 decades ago.

Time travel inconsistency? In Star Trek??

I think maybe Q is going insane or losing his powers and that the alternate reality was caused by him trying to save Picard but it caused an unintentional change in the timeline.


My guess would be that Guinan didn't recognize Picard by face since it's been a hundred years since they met, but as soon as he said his name she made the connection. It's been a long time since I watched Time's Arrow, though.

Unrelatedly, what was Q trying to do to that woman at the end? He seemed to be narrating her inner doubts, but what was supposed to be the result of the snap? Was he being a huge bully and trying to yank those doubts to the surface? I very much want to know what's wrong with him.

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Wee Bairns
Feb 10, 2004

Jack Tripper's wingman.

Yeah, the events of the episode "Time's Arrow" aren't referenced at all, which surprised me, as chronologically it's already happened from both Guinan and Jean-Luc's perspective.
The casting of a young Guinan was well done, I quite like this actress' take on the character.

Loved all the bits of continuity, though I saw the bus/punker cameo gag coming a mile away. Also liked the references to Jackson Roykirk and the book by Torme from TNG.
And are these watchers affiliated with Gary Steven's bosses?

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