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SirPhoebos posted:The oWoD supplement on Holocaust ghosts is a perfect example. That's legit a great book. And has a side bar that's basically "if you think these NPCs have unrealistic stats then we kindly invite you to read up on these figures from the Warsaw Uprising and what they accomplished."
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Absurd Alhazred posted:More discussion starting here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/16107501733/permalink/10158183532566734/ Statement from the Tekumel foundation. It has also been revealed that Barker was on the editorial board of Journal of Historical Review, a Holocaust denial journal. SimonChris fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Mar 21, 2022 |
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SimonChris posted:https://www.facebook.com/groups/16107501733/permalink/10158183532566734/ WELP
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SirPhoebos posted:One thing that I've noticed about publishers is that the more obviously fraught a subject is, the better and more considerate the writing turns out even if the rest of their line has a bunch of In Warhammer any society that didn't have both genders doing everything possible would be crushed by everyone else doing their own full court press anyway.
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moments (assuming the writer isn't a full-on chud). The oWoD supplement on Holocaust ghosts is a perfect example. Another great example can be found with the 2nd edition of the the Warhammer Fantasy RPG.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:In Warhammer any society that didn't have both genders doing everything possible would be crushed by everyone else doing their own full court press anyway. Chaos is an equal opportunity employer.
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Sure but the overtime demands are actual torture.
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If only there was some hip new religious movement fighting for equal opportunity and fairer labour practices.
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If only it was sweeping the mines and factories of a hive near you.
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If only they had sweet bikes.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:If only they had sweet bikes. What makes you think they don't? All will be equal in their excess under the touch of Slaanesh and his prophet known as the Doomrider. 
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ok fine, critical support to our cocaine comrade
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Elissimpark posted:Chaos is an equal opportunity employer. Are they? I can't recall any old world stories of female Chaos figures.
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Comstar posted:Are they? I can't recall any old world stories of female Chaos figures.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Isn't Khorne's greatest mortal champion a woman? Yes, Valkia the Bloody.
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SirPhoebos posted:Yes, Valkia the Bloody. She's a daemon princeess. That's like explicitly not mortal.
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Telsa Cola posted:She's a daemon princeess. That's like explicitly not mortal. Yes, but you have to start as a mortal to become a landed daemon.
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Eventually a daemon lord, no matter how favored, is going to mess up and get demoted to mindless chaos spawn. Or they'll be so amazing they keep getting heaped with favors from their patron until oops, chaos spawn. Either way its a chaos spawn in the end
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Yes, but you have to start as a mortal to become a landed daemon. There's also Dechala the Denied One, a High Elf princess who is the head of a Slaaneshi warband. Also, while it probably doesn't count, as part of the End Times, Isabella von Carstein is killed and resurrected by Nurgle. She then is possessed by a daemon, becomes a Champion of Nurgle and joins Archaon. It's very....confused.
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Nix Panicus posted:Eventually a daemon lord, no matter how favored, is going to mess up and get demoted to mindless chaos spawn. Or they'll be so amazing they keep getting heaped with favors from their patron until oops, chaos spawn. Honestly, chaos spawn is probably better than most retirement options these days. Epicurius posted:There's also Dechala the Denied One, a High Elf princess who is the head of a Slaaneshi warband. Also, while it probably doesn't count, as part of the End Times, Isabella von Carstein is killed and resurrected by Nurgle. She then is possessed by a daemon, becomes a Champion of Nurgle and joins Archaon. It's very....confused. We'd like to ask you about this two hundred year gap in your resume... <sharp intake of breath>
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Nix Panicus posted:Eventually a daemon lord, no matter how favored, is going to mess up and get demoted to mindless chaos spawn. Or they'll be so amazing they keep getting heaped with favors from their patron until oops, chaos spawn. Actually, no. You see demon princes/princesses reach a point where they have transcended mortality and become something more like the God's and can't actually be changed by them beyond a certain point. They stay in that "shape" forever. Its why Bel'akor, the first demon prince, is reduced to being a shadow instead of being a pile of roiling organs.
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Nix Panicus posted:Eventually a daemon lord, no matter how favored, is going to mess up and get demoted to mindless chaos spawn. Or they'll be so amazing they keep getting heaped with favors from their patron until oops, chaos spawn. That is not how it works no. Chaos Spawn is what happens when you’re either overly, neglectfully favored or intentionally damned as a mortal. It is a botched initiation into daemonhood. If you’ve reached the point of being a Daemon Prince you’re not capable of becoming a Spawn, because you already successfully became a daemon with full command of your faculties and powers. There’s nothing left to botch. Even Be’lakor, World’s Least Favored Daemon Prince, isn’t and can’t be a Spawn.
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Hey so you know Fabled Lands, a cool series of open-world gamebooks? By the guy who wrote Heart of Ice, which I thought was the best gamebook ever written? https://fabledlands.blogspot.com/2022/03/was-professor-m-r-barker-nazi.html "I’m a bit less ready to cast the first stone. Also, I don’t believe it. This novel wasn't a dark secret kept hidden from public view. Professor Barker openly mentioned Serpent’s Walk to me in our correspondence in the 1980s, and I have seen the letter he sent about it to a British publisher at the time:" Yeah gently caress youuuuu
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Some have discovered that Professor Barker may have been listed on the editorial advisory board of The Journal of Historical Review, a Holocaust-denying magazine. A screenshot of the contents page of one issue in the early '90s (when he was actively trying to sell the novel) lists a “Phillip Barker, Ph.D”. Was that the Professor? It might well have been, but let’s not conclude that he’s more evil than Sauron just yet. I was a consulting editor on White Dwarf in the ‘80s – that doesn’t mean I agreed with their editorial or commercial policies.
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More to the point, if “Phillip Barker” submitted a letter or article to back up the credentials of “Randolph D Calverhall” (the author of Serpent’s Walk) that’s very likely just part of the cover story supporting his literary hoax. And why do that as “Phillip Barker”? The Professor was Phil to his friends, but used his Islamic name professionally. Given its politics and readership, The Journal of Historical Review would presumably not have had anything to do with “Muhammad Abd-al-Rahman Barker, Ph.D”. To infiltrate them he went in undercover.
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I've reread that post and his reply to someone, and thought about it some more, and I can't help thinking that he laughed off and didn't recognise Barker attempting to recruit him. Like, that reads as a clear attempt to lure him in, right? I'm not going crazy here? Barker's offering up an ironic joking lure - with reassurances that of course he's fine with Jews, nice people - and then backing off when Morris doesn't bite.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:I've reread that post and his reply to someone, and thought about it some more, and I can't help thinking that he laughed off and didn't recognise Barker attempting to recruit him. Morris suspiciously doesn't note how after this letter a Nazi press did, in fact, publish the book. 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Morris suspiciously doesn't note how after this letter a Nazi press did, in fact, publish the book.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:Read the comments lol "I understand that it's over for you. I have a different opinion, based on my long correspondence with Prof Barker and the testimony of people like Jeff Berry. If new facts came to light that I found convincing then I'd add an addendum to this post, but even then I'll leave the rest of it because, when somebody is accused of something like this and cannot defend themselves, I'd always rather be the person who gave them the benefit of the doubt than the one who rushes to think the worst."  More like "I will ignore the facts that are inconvenient for me, unlike YOU ASSHOLES!" Edit: Wow, he just keeps going. quote:Dave, even if you don't think Barker was a Nazi, would you not agree that a) providing material to National Vanguard to sell (thereby helping them raise income) and b) serving for over a decade in a post attached to a holocaust denial journal amounts to collaboration? If Barker is more of a Quisling than a Hitler that doesn't exactly redeem him all that much. Morris posted:Fair point, Arthur. Barker wrote the book. He was presumably quite proud of it. He wanted it to be published, but he didn't want it under his own name because he didn't want to be personally associated with the sentiments. He approached a number of UK publishers (major ones, incidentally) and presumably US ones too. No go there, but he still didn't want it to languish in a drawer (authors are like that) and it probably gave him a kick to get money ($5000 in 1992, I'm told; useful on a academic's salary) from the sort of neo-Nazis his dad hung around with. Barker himself wasn't actually a Nazi, but the whole mob culture of the internet means that now a lot of dopes are programmed to start barking the moment anyone so much as accuses somebody of something like this. As I said in the post, I might be wrong, and if actual facts supporting Barker as an anti-Semite come to light I will accept that. But I'm still bloody glad I'm a Christian rather than a Pharisee about this kind of thing. (bolding mine) This is like the last thing you would want to say when you're defending an accused Neo-Nazi. I was ready to say that Morris may not be a Nazi but sure is the kind of person that a Nazi would feel comfortable sharing the jokes his Jewish friends won't appreciate, but I'm leaning towards actual Nazi. Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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this loving dumbass posted:Fair point, Arthur. Barker wrote the book. He was presumably quite proud of it. He wanted it to be published, but he didn't want it under his own name because he didn't want to be personally associated with the sentiments. He approached a number of UK publishers (major ones, incidentally) and presumably US ones too. No go there, but he still didn't want it to languish in a drawer (authors are like that) and it probably gave him a kick to get money ($5000 in 1992, I'm told; useful on a academic's salary) from the sort of neo-Nazis his dad hung around with. Barker himself wasn't actually a Nazi, but the whole mob culture of the internet means that now a lot of dopes are programmed to start barking the moment anyone so much as accuses somebody of something like this. As I said in the post, I might be wrong, and if actual facts supporting Barker as an anti-Semite come to light I will accept that. But I'm still bloody glad I'm a Christian rather than a Pharisee about this kind of thing. Really love owning my fascist dad by letting my novel be used as Nazi propaganda to make money for Nazis, working out great for me MAR Barker the dumbest human being on earth E:f,b
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A Big Dingus posted:As I said in the post, I might be wrong, and if actual facts supporting Barker as an anti-Semite come to light I will accept that. "If you could present me with some actual facts that this man who wrote an alternate history novel about the descendants of heroic SS officers overthrowing the Jewish controlled police state and published it through an established, Neo-Nazi publisher who also served on the Editorial Advisory Committee of a Holocaust Denial publication was some sort of anti-Semite, then I would like to see it!" edit: If god wanted me to use nested clauses correctly, he'd have me less incompetent
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KingKalamari posted:"If you could present me with some actual facts that this man who wrote an alternate history novel about the descendants of heroic SS officers overthrowing the Jewish controlled police state and published it through an established, Neo-Nazi publisher who also served on the Editorial Advisory Committee of a Holocaust Denial publication then I would like to see it!" Dawg, you got so wrapped up in your nested clauses that you forgot to give the matrix clause a predicate.
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No worries, Lumbermouth, I edited that in, after all. This guy's just digging and digging:quote:Is there any evidence that you would accept? Morris posted:I'll take literally any statement by Barker (as himself, not as a pseudonymous author) that expresses anti-Semitic or pro-Nazi views. At the moment we have the extraordinary picture of a guy who was allegedly a white supremacist but none of his friends, family or correspondents ever had the slightest inkling. How about when he, as himself, sent you a letter about how he's got this funny joke that he can't tell his Jewish friends because they'll "overreact"? Or when he, as himself, told you about how he published a neo-Nazi novel in a neo-Nazi press? Only thing worse than people in denial is really self-important people in denial. Edit: I should correct things - this letter wasn't to Morris, it was a letter to a UK publisher (written in Barker's own name) soliciting publication for this Too Hot for Vanguard neo-Nazi novel. He's starting to really equivocate over what he knew when; maybe some layer in his lizard brain has finally caught on to what kind of mess he willingly put himself into. Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Barker frankly wasn't famous enough for there to be published volumes of his private letters or published interviews. The novel is his verified public anti-Semitic statement. I mean, the Foundation's been sitting on a lot of other documents from him, it's conceivable there's something even more damning there.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Edit: I should correct things - this letter wasn't to Morris, it was a letter to a UK publisher (written in Barker's own name) soliciting publication for this Too Hot for Vanguard neo-Nazi novel. He's starting to really equivocate over what he knew when; maybe some layer in his lizard brain has finally caught on to what kind of mess he willingly put himself into.
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quote:Elsewhere in this thread you've said that you think Barker was "a fool" but not antisemitic. Why not both? Morris posted:Well, I think he was a fool because he's got himself remembered by many as an anti-Semite when I don't think he was one. But, sure, he might have been so closeted as anti-Semitic that he wasn't even aware of it; it's possible, as we know he had a very troubled relationship with fascist parents. There are homophobic gay people for similar reasons. But this is pure speculation. Buddy, you're not on the jury, you're an unindicted co-conspirator. 
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