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Electric Phantasm posted:Just let them have fun. Imagine I posted the "wizards: no sense of right and wrong" comic but it's Amon
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Lord_Magmar posted:This is a disengenuous description of the situation. Agreed, he had *four* katanas
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How does a BLM utilize Lucid Dreaming given it doesn't work during Fire? Is there actually space for it to shave off precious time from an Ice phase? It looks like Ice fills you so fast there's no space for Lucid.
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No Dignity posted:Agreed, he had *four* katanas He had 3, one of them broke and he replaced it. Moreso he's not just determined he's a hosed up child super soldier experiment.
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No Dignity posted:Agreed, he had *four* katanas Counterpoint: I had a can of Raid. I'm assuming you're talking about the bug primal because I'm a sprout.
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SuperKlaus posted:How does a BLM utilize Lucid Dreaming given it doesn't work during Fire? Is there actually space for it to shave off precious time from an Ice phase? It looks like Ice fills you so fast there's no space for Lucid. You don't.
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It's a completely accurate description because one guy with a katana can absolutely defeat a human tactical nuke, and frankly the human tactical nuke might just be a second guy with a second katana.
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So then two WoLs in a trenchcoat with two katanas each would be an unstoppable killing force?
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Lucid is completely useless on BLM. If you need MP, switch to Ice. That’s just how it’s designed. TBH Lucid isn’t really that necessary on any of the magic DPS unless you a) have just died as SMN or RDM or b) have to rez a ton of folks as SMN or RDM.
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SuperKlaus posted:How does a BLM utilize Lucid Dreaming given it doesn't work during Fire? Is there actually space for it to shave off precious time from an Ice phase? It looks like Ice fills you so fast there's no space for Lucid. It is used in some Transpose rotations for complicated but very small potency gains. If you are doing the normal rotation (i.e. entering Ice with Blizzard 3) it's not useful at all.
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hopeandjoy posted:Lucid is completely useless on BLM. If you need MP, switch to Ice. That’s just how it’s designed. Longer fights can run an SMN or RDM pretty low, even without res spells.
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Mar 24, 2022 17:05
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Longer fights can run an SMN or RDM pretty low, even without res spells. I will admit that BLM is my main so I only ever really run the other two in dungeons.
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i just use it on cooldown for summoner. usually i weave it after the titan summon.
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My RDM is absolutely mp negative even in mid length fights so I hit lucid at 8000 mp. Cast harder, cast faster
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Please do not hard cast though
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The WoL isn't really that strong. Your superpower is fighting things 8v1 or even 24v1. Hell, I spent a substantial amount of the final trial lying on the floor.
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Vargs posted:The WoL isn't really that strong. Your superpower is fighting things 8v1 or even 24v1. Hell, I spent a substantial amount of the final trial lying on the floor. *Heroically* lying on the floor.
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Mar 24, 2022 17:35
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Yeah I'm not sure what changed in Endwalker but RDM and Summoner are now rather sharply MP negative, wheras in shadowbringers RDM basically only needed to Lucid after two or three rezzes
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Zomborgon posted:*Heroically* lying on the floor. Heroically getting up off the floor over and over again in my case. Towards the end, I even yelled in party chat, "GO AHEAD AND KEEP KILLING ME, I'M TOO STUPID TO KNOW HOW TO STAY DEAD!" Or something to that effect, at any rate.
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Vargs posted:The WoL isn't really that strong. Your superpower is fighting things 8v1 or even 24v1. Hell, I spent a substantial amount of the final trial lying on the floor. My brain: "keep looking directly at the boss for attack tells". Whoever designed that fight: "lol planets go spin".
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Kurieg posted:Yeah I'm not sure what changed in Endwalker but RDM and Summoner are now rather sharply MP negative, wheras in shadowbringers RDM basically only needed to Lucid after two or three rezzes ShB Summoner had a good amount of GCDs that didn't use MP so it was MP-neutral for me, outside of needing to rez people. Pet attacks and one of the Phoenix spells not using MP are what I can remember off the top of my head.
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Kurieg posted:Yeah I'm not sure what changed in Endwalker but RDM and Summoner are now rather sharply MP negative, wheras in shadowbringers RDM basically only needed to Lucid after two or three rezzes Which is weird given Arcanist's whole deal was being super mp-efficient due to math formulas, and that got reflected in gameplay with Arc/Smn rarely ever running outta mp. I assume the changes in Trance and Aetherflow in Endwalker now has them suddenly chugging MP though, since I wanna say old SMN traits actually gave them free casts all the time which was how they were able to get by without ever pushing lucid till now. Or it might have just been the ShB rotation looping around EA which allowed them lots of free attacks, and baha/phoenix might have just been free. Before ShB, aetherflow used to be an active button to push as part your rotation so it was also a constant MP refund as well. Allarion fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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My equations prove that I'm going to blow your rear end out the water with all my aether
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Warmachine posted:Counterpoint: I had a can of Raid. He's talking about someone else, based on where you said you were in the game.
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RDM was absolutely MP negative in ShB, I heard lots of complaining about that in the period after release.
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All your GCDs cost 300mp now basically vs old ruin 3/4 being 200, ruin 2 being 400, hardcast dots being 500, and assaults being free but by and far the gcds you used the most were 3/4 and the free ones. So yeah you’re mp negative in endwalker but you still just need to hit lucid, it’s not healer mp management or anything
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SirPhoebos posted:He's talking about someone else, based on where you said you were in the game. I know, my post went up just after the tell. Still I left it alone because I thought the dumb joke was funny.
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Arist posted:RDM was absolutely MP negative in ShB, I heard lots of complaining about that in the period after release. RDM was MP negative in ShB on release, they reduced MP costs in 5.05 to deal with that
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Speaking of the WoL's body count, I get the feeling I'm going to keep Grynewaht jobbing for a while. 
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In a long enough boss fight with no breaks I can get under 1000MP on Summoner but I won't run out unless I have to rez someone
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I wouldn't go so far as to call Lucid an "interesting" button the functional loss of which is really a sad thing but it's still kind of a shame when there's a button in a job that basically doesn't do anything.
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Mar 24, 2022 19:59
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Countblanc posted:Kill them *nods* *punches fist in hand*
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Leal posted:*nods* I'm kinda salty I didn't get a screengrab of the WoL's face when Nero lets you use the Red Baron at the end of HW. It was the biggest, dumbest, grin I ever saw.
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SuperKlaus posted:I wouldn't go so far as to call Lucid an "interesting" button the functional loss of which is really a sad thing but it's still kind of a shame when there's a button in a job that basically doesn't do anything. It's a little unfortunate, but unless they make aggro management a mechanic that matters again, there's not really anything they can do to make Lucid generally useful on BLM. And personally, I care less about a role action being bad than something like Scathe being useless.
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add knockback immunity to lucid so all casters get two B)
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Warmachine posted:I'm kinda salty I didn't get a screengrab of the WoL's face when Nero lets you use the Red Baron at the end of HW. It was the biggest, dumbest, grin I ever saw. Same except for (Post-ShB)the G-Warrior section, I love the visible disappointment when Cid says it needs repairs and can't be used to fight Emerald.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Same except for (Post-ShB)the G-Warrior section, I love the visible disappointment when Cid says it needs repairs and can't be used to fight Emerald. I'm pretty sure that is the saddest expression they ever have in the entire game
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WrightOfWay posted:It's a little unfortunate, but unless they make aggro management a mechanic that matters again, there's not really anything they can do to make Lucid generally useful on BLM. And personally, I care less about a role action being bad than something like Scathe being useless. Scathe is used for hitting enemies when you know it's gonna be dead or you'll be on the move before a cast can complete. E: in later levels only if you don't have your other instants up of course. It's mainly for dungeon running. TheWorldsaStage fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Scathe is super useful if you're doing Black Mage runs of PotD and HoH too.
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Either Lucid Dreaming should get a self-heal component, or Scathe should become Drain, or both.
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