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Dawgstar posted:I thought Aerith had kind of a long romper dress for the longest time and was a little surprised it was an actual dress. Sure, but her outfit was still a pink dress with a big pink ribbon in her hair and the first time you meet her she's carrying a basket of flowers, and when you meet her again she's in a church taking care of a garden of flowers. Tifa the first time you meet her, her outfit is a black skirt and elbowpads and she helps you infiltrate the reactor, and then when she joins your party she does the punchies and kickies. But their personalities are Tifa is very much the wallflower (especially with Cloud) while Aeris is way more assertive and sarcastic. And it's not just them, big ol' angry lookin muscle guy with a GUN instead of a hand is probably the biggest softie in the group.
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Mar 24, 2022 00:29
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Macaluso posted:Sure, but her outfit was still a pink dress with a big pink ribbon in her hair and the first time you meet her she's carrying a basket of flowers, and when you meet her again she's in a church taking care of a garden of flowers. Tifa the first time you meet her, her outfit is a black skirt and elbowpads and she helps you infiltrate the reactor, and then when she joins your party she does the punchies and kickies. But their personalities are Tifa is very much the wallflower (especially with Cloud) while Aeris is way more assertive and sarcastic. And it's not just them, big ol' angry lookin muscle guy with a GUN instead of a hand is probably the biggest softie in the group. I'm not sure I'd use the term "softie" to describe the vengeance-crazed terrorist who blows up lots of innocent people and shrugs off their deaths. Now he grows out of all this but I hope you get my meaning. And I'd say Nanaki is the gentlest person in your party which fits with your argument quite well given hsi fearsome appearance.
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Mar 24, 2022 00:38
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Alaois posted:(The reason is because Sephiroth is one of the secret arena bosses) Him and Kurt Ziza are also like by leaps and bounds the hardest poo poo in the game too.
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Mar 24, 2022 00:39
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Yardbomb posted:Him and Kurt Ziza are also like by leaps and bounds the hardest poo poo in the game too. Kurt Zisa is the funniest poo poo in the world to me, hey kid you won a contest to have your name put in this Disney game, he's a loving Weird Superboss who kicks your rear end
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Mar 24, 2022 01:11
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NikkolasKing posted:I'm not sure I'd use the term "softie" to describe the vengeance-crazed terrorist who blows up lots of innocent people and shrugs off their deaths. RE Barrett wears sunglasses because despite being a big hardass terrorist cell leader he's also got big sparkly kind man eyes
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Mar 24, 2022 01:47
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At least with regards to how Cloud's character is perceived in the public consciousness, I think there's also an aspect of people attributing the personality traits of other JRPG and anime protagonists of the time to him. This was both around the time when Evangelion and works inspired by it were hitting the North American market and was right in the midst of the Dark Age of comics, so the consumer base for something like FFVII was REALLY into brooding, angsty protagonists and I think that coloured how they tended to interpret Cloud. Basically there was kind of a trend among western anime and video game fans at the time to overplay the more serious and "badass" elements of shounen/video game protagonists while downplaying their more introspective or goofy traits (see also: All the Dragonball Z AMVs set to Linkin Park songs) KingKalamari fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Mar 24, 2022 01:51
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I imagine it doesn't help matters that Cloud's "real" personality is hidden pretty deep into the game's story, to the point of being the actual twist of the game. So not only might the casual player never get to see it, the people who have seen it are sort of incentivized to not "spoil" it for anyone else.
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Mar 24, 2022 02:02
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e: ^^  also, the double-swerve where he briefly thinks he's not even the real Cloud to begin with but just a clone puppetPersonally I think a lot of it just comes from the first disc of the game where he spends most of his time pretending to be a really cool nihilistic mercenary because his entire personality has been overwritten by his mako-poisoned childhood fantasies.
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Mar 24, 2022 02:07
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Ghostlight posted:Personally I think a lot of it just comes from the first disc of the game where he spends most of his time pretending to be a really cool nihilistic mercenary because his entire personality has been overwritten by his mako-poisoned childhood fantasies. I remember somebody put it that FFVIII's Squall had the personality people thought Cloud had.
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Mar 24, 2022 02:08
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Dawgstar posted:I remember somebody put it that FFVIII's Squall had the personality people thought Cloud had. If people expected more Shinji-like protagonists as KingKalamari said, Squall definitely hits closer to the mark than Cloud.
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Mar 24, 2022 02:23
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Alaois posted:Kurt Zisa is the funniest poo poo in the world to me, hey kid you won a contest to have your name put in this Disney game, he's a loving Weird Superboss who kicks your rear end I thought the contest was just to name the boss, and naming it after yourself is a power move, especially if your name is Kurt Zisa.
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Mar 24, 2022 02:26
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The most I remember from reading and playing the surreality of Final Fantasy 8 was people joking about Squall's many ellipses dot dot dot.
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Mar 24, 2022 02:34
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez2CjJf6-34
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Mar 24, 2022 03:12
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Gwen posted:if you think the main reference point for ff7 fandom, Advent Children, displays a reasonable character progression from the end ff7 for Cloud or Tifa then I don't know what to tell you I am probably not understanding the point they were making, true. It read to me like 'the future depictions of the characters doesn't live up to their initial ones so it's garbage and ruins them' like later stuff not being great means you were tricked into liking them in the first place. I've played Yakuza 0 and Kiwami 1, Tales from the Borderlands and seen how Rhys and Vaughn are in 3 and I kinda get it. But later examples of things squandering things doesn't really bother me as much I guess maybe?
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Mar 24, 2022 03:19
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The weirdest thing about Advent Children is that they managed to get Aeris' personality right in it, like visually they depict her as an angel in heaven but nearly every line she says is playful ribbing.
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Mar 24, 2022 03:30
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loving lol
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Mar 24, 2022 07:08
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NikkolasKing posted:If people expected more Shinji-like protagonists as KingKalamari said, Squall definitely hits closer to the mark than Cloud. I didn't think people misread Cloud as Shinji, more like they thought he was a cool badass. It's probably the cool first impression sticking and the real character showing later. Compare to MGS2 Raiden who's basically the same character but introduced as a dork who's not Solid Snake and you have a different lasting impression of his character. Bit also the sequels do change his character for the worse, just so they can repeat his storyline, but that's at least of theme for MGS.
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Mar 24, 2022 07:30
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i love this guy
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Mar 24, 2022 11:20
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Munacat has the same cadence as Sabine Hossenfelder and this is not a knock on either's output as youtubers or people who explain things to people on social media.
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Mar 24, 2022 11:23
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I can't believe when talking about KH1's infamously bad voice acting, no one mentioned that Squall was voiced by David Boreanaz with a performance that at best sounded like he was half-awake and usually like he would rather be doing literally anything else.
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Mar 24, 2022 11:37
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Hel posted:I didn't think people misread Cloud as Shinji, more like they thought he was a cool badass. Somebody a talented video essayist will have to make a video on how the game about an evil football paying senator and memes is actually very toxic and unhealthy in its messaging. You're a child soldier and killer forever, Jack. Pay no mind to the themes of MGS1 and 2 or to how you got two happy endings about leaving the battlefield you were forced into. This is your life forever - blood, death, sadism.
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Mar 24, 2022 11:46
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Lotus Aura posted:I can't believe when talking about KH1's infamously bad voice acting, no one mentioned that Squall was voiced by David Boreanaz with a performance that at best sounded like he was half-awake and usually like he would rather be doing literally anything else.
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Mar 24, 2022 12:08
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KH1’s voice acting was generally fine, it all dropped off a cliff in subsequent entries
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Mar 24, 2022 12:58
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Oxxidation posted:KH1’s voice acting was generally fine, it all dropped off a cliff in subsequent entries It's hard to top Billy Zane as Ansem Though I'll say, the replacement voice they got for Sully was a little TOO accurate
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Mar 24, 2022 13:01
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NikkolasKing posted:Somebody a talented video essayist will have to make a video on how the game about an evil football paying senator and memes is actually very toxic and unhealthy in its messaging. Armstrong deserved it.
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Mar 24, 2022 13:36
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Oxxidation posted:KH1’s voice acting was generally fine, it all dropped off a cliff in subsequent entries I can't agree with this when we got Paul St. Peter as Xemnas. That man has a perfect voice.
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Mar 24, 2022 17:06
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Oxxidation posted:KH1’s voice acting was generally fine, it all dropped off a cliff in subsequent entries The fact that one of the series' main villains has become a kiss of death role for VAs doesn't help. I'm expecting Christopher Lloyd to go anytime now due to this.
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Mar 24, 2022 17:48
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Draga posted:I can't agree with this when we got Paul St. Peter as Xemnas. That man has a perfect voice. his baritone was lovely but his delivery was (and remained) flat as a board most of the VA’s who could actually inject some life into their readings past the first game were veterans like Lee and Nimoy, who either knew what to do despite the awful direction or had the clout to ignore it completely
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Mar 24, 2022 18:24
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muscles like this! posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbAuL4fg5LI I cannot believe that stupid onesie has an rear end flap that makes you goatse yourself to use it
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Mar 24, 2022 18:29
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NikkolasKing posted:Somebody a talented video essayist will have to make a video on how the game about an evil football paying senator and memes is actually very toxic and unhealthy in its messaging. Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh thing is, Raiden does end on that note in the game but it’s very much framed as him backsliding and overthinking poo poo. Like the ending has him quoting Armstrong and his former support team going “wait what was that” and him doing a hasty “oh nothing it’s nothing”. His faith was kinda shattered in the intro and after everything in the game he still hasn’t really recovered it, which is a dark note to end on but considering Revengeance was originally pitched as a sub series that makes sense, leaves him room to find some new understanding in subsequent games.
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Mar 24, 2022 19:05
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CmdrKing posted:Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh thing is, Raiden does end on that note in the game but it’s very much framed as him backsliding and overthinking poo poo. Like the ending has him quoting Armstrong and his former support team going “wait what was that” and him doing a hasty “oh nothing it’s nothing”. His faith was kinda shattered in the intro and after everything in the game he still hasn’t really recovered it, which is a dark note to end on but considering Revengeance was originally pitched as a sub series that makes sense, leaves him room to find some new understanding in subsequent games. But let's say Revengeance 2 had happened...what is the ideal ending for Raiden? He's already had 2 happy endings which were overwritten. The best thing they could do for him is redo what MGS2 and 4 did and which MGR undid. I'm by no means a fan of MGS4 but at least Raiden got back to where he was at the end of 2. He's with the woman he loves and their child and he's ready to move on. But it's Godfather Part III. Every time it looks like Raiden is out the story pulls him back in to make him even more miserable. So even if MGR2 had happened and they reversed course on letting Jack live a healthy, happy life, it just be the same thing all over again. So the message would be less awful but the story would be super redundant. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Mar 24, 2022 19:22
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Oxxidation posted:his baritone was lovely but his delivery was (and remained) flat as a board It's long been a mark against voice acting in video games that few companies want to pay for an actual director.
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Mar 24, 2022 19:28
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Dawgstar posted:It's long been a mark against voice acting in video games that few companies want to pay for an actual director. the Kingdom Hearts games, like many Square Enix games and a very large number of animes, have a voice director, Bob Bucholtz. what makes it confusing is that he's voice directed both Kingdom Hearts 2 and Final Fantasy 7 Remake
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Mar 24, 2022 19:32
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NikkolasKing posted:Somebody a talented video essayist will have to make a video on how the game about an evil football paying senator and memes is actually very toxic and unhealthy in its messaging. Writers for metal gear appear to believe Raiden's agency and happiness are a slider where to gain one he has to lose the others.
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Mar 24, 2022 19:34
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Terrible Opinions posted:MSG4 has the a similar problem of messaging though. Raiden's happy ending is living with one of his long term abusers after a single conversation explaining it was for his own good. Absolutely, MGS4 is awful, too. Chronologically, MGS2 should have been the ending of the whole franchise. Raiden and basically every other character would have benefited from it. In terms of releases, I will permit MGS3 to exist but every other Big Boss game is entirely unnecessary. Such has been my fantasy canon for many years now....
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Mar 24, 2022 19:51
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NikkolasKing posted:Absolutely, MGS4 is awful, too. Pretty sure that was Kojima's idea, but then he just kept going and going. Probably due to pressure from Konami or the fear of his replacement loving up the series. I remember reading interviews with him saying how he was done after 2, that it was the final chronological entry with 3 serving to flesh out Big Boss and that's gonna be it.
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Mar 24, 2022 20:16
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https://twitter.com/Defunctland/status/1506410936181137419 https://twitter.com/defunctland/status/1506833042576396289 https://twitter.com/Defunctland/status/1506833985942474754 As someone who went to Kennywood most of my childhood to like my early 20s this doesn't shock me at all; though I only went on Garfield's Nightmare once and man it's a crime what they did to the Old Mill since it had no fun spooky charm whatsoever. I bet there will be a punchline how in Pittsburgh "Kennywood's Open" means your fly is open
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Mar 24, 2022 20:24
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The problem with every MGS is that they are all about setting up a new hidden previously unheard of group that was secretly behind it all and the previous group were just chumps. 1 ends on Ocelot talking to the president, 2 to sets up this ancient conspiracy about the philosophers/ the patriots, 3 shows that actually it was just Big Boss's cold War buddies, 4 says it was actually just AI and then 5 says its actually XOF/ Skullface. A lot of MGS 5 is just repeated from MGS 4. The overt themes of MGS: gene, meme, scene etc. are all about repetition, but it also fit the series because Kojima is mostly just referencing stuff he likes, and repeating the same plot points and set pieces over and over again. And that's why Survive breaking from that and goes " Endless repetition is bad and engines for that purpose must be destroyed" as you use the MGS5 nanomachines to cancel out the MGS 4 nanomachines that have caused the end of the world in a grey goo scenario. All the while playing as one of the MSF grunts who were left to die while their Boss hosed off with his friends to start a new business. I really should get off my rear end and write that piece on why Survive is so interesting that I've been procrastinating on for years.
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Mar 24, 2022 20:29
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MGSV at least is intentional in how everything is set up to be part of one large unthinking machine that perpetuates events without any real input. Everyone in the game works for the antagonists in some capacity even if they don't know it and the entire world has been victimized by the manipulation of information and trauma that influences their perceptions of the past and the present. People are reduced to symbols that can be used interchangeably between individuals since the memes and ideas outlive the bodies they originated in. It's as close to a closing argument on how convoluted the storytelling of MGS is as you can get while still feeling like it's part of the same setting. Regengeance meanwhile does undo a lot of stuff for Raiden but I'm honestly okay with the war economy system existing past the end of the Patriots. It may not be under Patriot control but humans are creatures of habit. The Boss's will to make a world without borders free of control came true to a degree, but the people who benefitted off of the system run by the Patriots aren't going to give up their power so easily just because some 42 year old geriatric watched his dad kill a human vegetable in Arlington Cemetary Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Soup du Jour posted:I cannot believe that stupid onesie has an rear end flap that makes you goatse yourself to use it It was funny how he didn't actually get scammed this time.
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