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My local car share is good. It has served me well for 10 years now
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yeah zipcar is ok although sure i'd believe it sucks in NYC
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Mar 25, 2022 01:52
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Mar 25, 2022 03:10
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Mar 25, 2022 05:17
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It's been pretty obvious for awhile now that we are going to see a huge expansion of renewables dedicated entirely to fossil fuel extraction to forestall the moment that it become energy negative and all of civilization across the globe collapses
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Mar 25, 2022 05:47
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Epic High Five posted:It's been pretty obvious for awhile now that we are going to see a huge expansion of renewables dedicated entirely to fossil fuel extraction to forestall the moment that it become energy negative and all of civilization across the globe collapses
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Mar 25, 2022 05:51
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leftist heap posted:Doing it per car is just about the stupidest possible way it could have been done. poo poo, is there anyway I can fake my bike into a car, or buy a vin number and fill out the paper work to get extra money.
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Mar 25, 2022 09:16
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its hard to help fundamentally help poor people therefore its best to not do it
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Mar 25, 2022 10:36
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I don't think this thread is ready to accept that in America, if we ever rid ourselves of cars it will be done entirely on the backs of the poorest
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Mar 25, 2022 13:44
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car culture is already taking place entirely on the backs of the poorest gently caress off with that nonsense tia
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Mar 25, 2022 14:01
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:car culture is already taking place entirely on the backs of the poorest gently caress off with that nonsense tia that's totally different. poor people love paying thousands of dollars per year on gas, insurance, and maintenance - assuming they own the vehicle outright and aren't still paying for that too. They do THAT by choice.
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Mar 25, 2022 14:07
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if you got rid of cars people forced to live next to the freeway will not be able to afford their rent anymore love me im a liberal
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Mar 25, 2022 14:10
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tired: wow dude your road diet may inconvenience a driver, how dare you! wired: wow dude your road diet may inconvenience a (insert vulnerable group here) driver, privilege much???
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Mar 25, 2022 14:10
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Building new highways through poor neighborhoods is akshually Marxist, it keeps those areas affordable for the underclass!
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Mar 25, 2022 14:15
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:tired: wow dude your road diet may inconvenience a driver, how dare you!
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Mar 25, 2022 14:36
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Fe fi fo fum I smell the exhaust of a wrecker
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Mar 25, 2022 14:46
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i was driving on the interstate the other day and realized one cloverleaf exit is bigger than most cities old downtown areas
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Mar 25, 2022 15:31
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ArmZ posted:i was driving on the interstate the other day and realized one cloverleaf exit is bigger than most cities old downtown areas who can say which one is a better use of space
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Mar 25, 2022 15:49
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What if you relocated all the poor people to the inside of cloverleafs so they couldn't escape, sort of like J. G. Ballard's Concrete Island? That would probably be the optimal land use from an American perspective.
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Mar 25, 2022 15:51
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mystes posted:By eliminating cars you're going to hurt the poorest Americans who won't be able to drive their $40,000 car to work from their $2 million single family home here we go again with that “they can’t be poor they own a refrigerator” rhetoric lmao some of yall are just radlibs
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Mar 25, 2022 18:59
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Like, the solution is a multi-pronged approach of letting gas be much more expensive, giving the poor stimulus payments to mitigate that cost, and building a bunch of denser housing with non-car transit options. Of course, we'll never do that, so the only option is to write a bunch of checks to cars.
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Mar 25, 2022 19:13
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Ham Equity posted:Like, the solution is a multi-pronged approach of letting gas be much more expensive, giving the poor stimulus payments to mitigate that cost, and building a bunch of denser housing with non-car transit options. obviously they should be doing the housing thing, but they are giving the poor stimulus payments to mitigate the cost of high fast prices. that’s the exact thing everyone is complaining about. did you want them to means test the stimulus payments so none would go to rich people? do you feel the same way about college tuition?
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Mar 25, 2022 19:18
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climate catastrophe may kill a lot of people, but car culture also helps a lot of people get to work on time, so, it;s impossible to say if its bad or not,
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Mar 25, 2022 19:18
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it's just the exact same tired and worn-out wrecker rhetoric. you can't do anything because it Might Inconvenience The Poor/Disabled and, furthermore, not a real leftist!! liberal!!. boring and insipid, dismissed with high contempt
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Mar 25, 2022 19:19
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indigi posted:obviously they should be doing the housing thing, but they are giving the poor stimulus payments to mitigate the cost of high fast prices. that’s the exact thing everyone is complaining about. did you want them to means test the stimulus payments so none would go to rich people? do you feel the same way about college tuition? how much do you think gas should cost
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indigi posted:here we go again with that “they can’t be poor they own a refrigerator” rhetoric lmao some of yall are just radlibs If the goal is really to help poor people, It would be better in every way to just give poor people money independent of their car ownership, because the cost of fuel is reflected in other products. The reason for tying it to car ownership is that it's not really poor people who they are trying to help. Electro-Boogie Jack posted:how much do you think gas should cost mystes has issued a correction as of 19:27 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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Mar 25, 2022 19:24
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:how much do you think gas should cost why on earth would I think about that mystes posted:Cars are well on their way to becoming affordably for people who aren't rich no they aren’t, you are completely out of touch with reality e: misread that post actually (mystes) but I’m not gonna delete it because that’s silly
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Mar 25, 2022 19:27
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The average price of a new car is $47,000 now. Used cars have also gone up tremendously. Subsidizing gas is not the way to make transportation affordable for poor people. If you really want to help poor people buy cars maybe you should just insist that the government give them away for free to low income people rather than hand money to everyone who owns a car? But the real answer is obviously fixing the completely insane housing/transit situation so people don't need to drive 100 miles a day in the first place. mystes has issued a correction as of 19:30 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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Mar 25, 2022 19:28
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indigi posted:why on earth would I think about that good god, answer the question. how much should gas cost
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Stopping climate might hurt poor people so let's just not stop climate change. That will definitely help poor people over the next hundred years.
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mystes posted:The average price of a new car is $47,000 now. Used cars have also gone up tremendously. Subsidizing gas is not the way to make transportation affordable for poor people. yes though averages can be misleading if the distribution of costs is non-normal do we know cost percentiles? like 25th, 50th (median), etc. i'm not saying it's still not high but these would be useful numbers to flesh out the picture more
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indigi posted:obviously they should be doing the housing thing, but they are giving the poor stimulus payments to mitigate the cost of high fast prices. that’s the exact thing everyone is complaining about. did you want them to means test the stimulus payments so none would go to rich people? do you feel the same way about college tuition? Gas prices are going to affect food prices and the prices of other goods as well, and the state is basically just telling anyone too poor to own a car to gently caress off. It's some dumb poo poo that the means testing they're doing ensures that anyone driving a Ford Raptor and a Jeep Monstrosity gets an $800 check, but if you have to take the loving bus because you can't afford insurance, you get loving nothing. While not the worst possible thing you could do, is definitely in the bottom 20%.
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maybe free buses would be a good short term fix idfk. or UBI. that would be good too.
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Mar 25, 2022 19:49
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indigi posted:why on earth would I think about that lol maybe because you're participating in a discussion about it you insipid gently caress?
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Mar 25, 2022 20:04
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This is a stupid conversation because the problem is that the payouts are per car. That by itself is not helping the many poor people who don't own cars, so it can't be defended as a good policy for the poor. If the payouts were going to everyone maybe you could make that argument.
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Mar 25, 2022 20:28
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I don't think anyone in this thread would object to everyone in the state of California getting $400, even if it were "for gas"
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Yeah, that was the (a) good policy option here. They chose a stupid one instead.
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I don't think anyone in this thread would object to everyone in the state of California getting $400, even if it were "for gas"
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Cup Runneth Over posted:I don't think anyone in this thread would object to everyone in the state of California getting $400, even if it were "for gas" the original plan was $400 per a tax payer, then it got means tested to become $400 per a car.
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actionjackson posted:yes though averages can be misleading if the distribution of costs is non-normal I work for a nationwide car dealership chain, which has only fueled my hatred for cars btw, and while you can buy a basic model civic or Camry for under 25k if you shop around (they sell super fast when we get them to the dealerships or out them online) 70% of our new inventory sells for more than 30k. That 47k average is a little higher than our average but we only have a few luxury dealerships so I wouldn't be surprised if the national average is higher than ours
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