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Absurd Alhazred posted:That's a shame, because I can picture it in my mind, one of the silly old-timey comics titles: "Can Clark Kent Make Rent?!" Pretty much in line with a lot of the old what-if bullshit
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I haven't given Superman thought since I was a kid in the public library and found THIS: Oh wait no there was the MArtha MARTHA
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Martman posted:Superman turns Jimmy Olsen into a chicken in order to profit off of cock fighting!! You wear a fursuit to avoid pursuit but you're not a fowl, you're a human, Jimmy.
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Rockman Reserve posted:to tie it back to the topic, the reason it seems like DCs heroes don’t age as poorly as Marvel’s is because they’re less people and more logos okay come on I admit fully to being pretty glib in my comparison but I think we can both agree you can boil most comics down to 'logos'. Stan Lee did not build Marvel's branding absent of clear and obvious symbolism. He just stuck to things like character heads in corners and eye grabbing costumes (as well as getting a massive boost from things like Kirby Krackle playing off the then very popular sci-fi stylings and letting the stranger cosmic level comics stand out) rather than more literal 'the big S means 'Superman' you know'.
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Mar 25, 2022 04:17
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You wear a fursuit to avoid pursuit but you're not a fowl, you're a human, Jimmy. Jimmy's fursona is a turtle actually
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Rockman Reserve posted:“yeah marvel has all these multiverses” they say as they quietly try to kick flashpoint and about six different Crises into a corner We all remember DC's iconic event, Crisis on a Finite Earth.
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sexpig by night posted:okay come on I admit fully to being pretty glib in my comparison but I think we can both agree you can boil most comics down to 'logos'. Stan Lee did not build Marvel's branding absent of clear and obvious symbolism. He just stuck to things like character heads in corners and eye grabbing costumes (as well as getting a massive boost from things like Kirby Krackle playing off the then very popular sci-fi stylings and letting the stranger cosmic level comics stand out) rather than more literal 'the big S means 'Superman' you know'. Do you think this S stands for Samoa?
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Claiming marvel has very few logos is one hell of a take too.
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Mar 25, 2022 04:26
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Tbh I think the idea that DC is more about archetypes and Marvel is more about humanized characters gets overplayed. Sure there may have been some difference in their narrative approaches, especially early on but as was already pointed out there’s a lot of cross-pollination wrt to talent at this point so I don’t think it’s really that true anymore
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Mar 25, 2022 04:39
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Martman posted:Superman turns Jimmy Olsen into a chicken in order to profit off of cock fighting!! There was one comic where Superman gaslighted Jimmy into thinking he was turning into a mer person and could breathe underwater.
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Mar 25, 2022 04:42
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The universe is such a strange place. The dude from Swingers saved Star Wars and the Wesley Crusher ruined movies. Reality truly is stranger than fiction.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Claiming marvel has very few logos is one hell of a take too. I mean, other than the spider, the 4, and the X I can't really think of many? Punisher's skull? I guess Captain America has the A.
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Push El Burrito posted:I mean, other than the spider, the 4, and the X I can't really think of many? Punisher's skull? I guess Captain America has the A. Captain America has the shield. Iron Man's helmet, Thor's... honestly all of Thor, Daredevil had a 'DD' emblem but also just has that eyeless cowl, Ghost Rider's flaming skull... And it should be noted that during their big heyday Marvel had headshots of characters in the comic in the corner of the comic as a big branding thing. They had a big thing where you ABSOLUTELY recognized their characters' heads.
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Mar 25, 2022 06:38
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Black Widow has an angular hourglass thing (which is got used on the movie posters), Hawkeye has a purple target symbol or a purple arrow quill, Iron Fist has the dragon design.
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Half the reason no one reads modern comics is because they literally can't let characters breathe for five minutes without having some big crisis crossover, I think everyone's lost count of how many times DC has rebooted its own universe.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Half the reason no one reads modern comics is because they literally can't let characters breathe for five minutes without having some big crisis crossover, I think everyone's lost count of how many times DC has rebooted its own universe. Only twice, but then they kinda undid one of them which made things even more confusing.
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Cleretic posted:Captain America has the shield. Iron Man's helmet, Thor's... honestly all of Thor, Daredevil had a 'DD' emblem but also just has that eyeless cowl, Ghost Rider's flaming skull... yeah but there’s a difference between branding for marketing your comic and making the star of your comic essentially an inhuman icon or logo Ghost Leviathan posted:Half the reason no one reads modern comics is because they literally can't let characters breathe for five minutes without having some big crisis crossover, I think everyone's lost count of how many times DC has rebooted its own universe. someone remind me which of the crisis or countdown events had a bunch of hidden stuff in the panels that ubernerds figured out meant “the multiverse still exists” as if, like, that was ever in question (even after the cartoon rabbit helped beat the hell out of space vampire alan moore)
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Mar 25, 2022 07:16
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No real icons or logos in the Marvel universe, no sir. Just gonna shove these into a drawer somewhere real quick...  
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Comic books grind on and on like soap operas. That's good and bad. They will never mesh with comic movies, anymore than Star Wars EU will with George Gisnep movies. You take the good you take the bad and I can't even finish watching What If. Vandar posted:No real icons or logos in the Marvel universe, no sir. I think you proved someone else's point. What's that first one? Oh yeah it's Geometry Wars.
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It took me watching Rifftrax Avengers to find out who Coulson was. He's gonna hook up with his gf in Portland https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Portland
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Oh gawd, not Coulsun, he only had 1 day until retirement. -no one
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Marvel literally has the most popular logo in the world right now                     
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The United States posted:Marvel literally has the most popular logo in the world right now Most thread appropriate post. Everyone please age these images. PM me for the recipes.
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Didn't Marvel change the logo in new Punisher content to distance themselves from all that?
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christmas boots posted:Speaking of which characters are analogs of which, remember that there was a collab imprint between the two for about a year in the 90s called Amalgam where the universes merged for a bit and characters got all combined like Super Soldier (a fusion of Superman and Captain America) and Dark Claw (Batman and Wolverine) and so on. I don't think Spider-Man himself showed up, but the Ben Reiley clone got merged with Superboy I think. So there was a later Batman/Spider-man crossover, and when the joker meets spider-man again, he comments on his different outfit from the last time they met. Batman also takes out Carnage with one punch. Which you know, after maximum carnage wherein half the marvel universe has to team up to take him on, really annoyed me as a kid.
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DC has bat nipples, and I don’t think Marvel can ever live up to that standard.
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repiv posted:Didn't Marvel change the logo in new Punisher content to distance themselves from all that? I think the big issue with any sort of "Marvel Comics do comics like this, but DC Comics, you know how we do!!!" analysis is that Marvel and DC are corporate entities that have both existed in one form or another for 60-90 years depending on how you want to put boundaries up, across several different parent companies, dozens of publishers/editors-in-chief (some of which bounced between companies), and thousands of overlapping creators. Trying to form a coherent and cohesive thesis statement about "what they do" is like trying to say that there is a clear and consistent narrative on the identity and philosophy of the Los Angeles Dodgers vs. the Chicago Cubs, or CBS vs. NBC, or The Vice President of the United States and the Mayor of New York City. You can compare and contrast specific timeframes, you can even try to tease out recurring tendencies, but it's never going to be one pat statement.
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Ambitious Spider posted:So there was a later Batman/Spider-man crossover, and when the joker meets spider-man again, he comments on his different outfit from the last time they met. Batman also takes out Carnage with one punch. Which you know, after maximum carnage wherein half the marvel universe has to team up to take him on, really annoyed me as a kid. It would annoy me now too. DC can't ever not let Batman be the best, so he has to chump everyone he meets to prove that Batman is actually the best character.
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i think part of the reason superman and batman are more iconic in the american cultural consciousness than most marvel characters is having a solid ~40 year head start of continuous media production with no significant pause, just spitballin
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Mooseontheloose posted:It would annoy me now too. DC can't ever not let Batman be the best, so he has to chump everyone he meets to prove that Batman is actually the best character. Tom King wrote a pretty good story about that. Bruce serves on a jury for a murder trial against Mr Freeze because he realizes that someone weaponized the idea that Batman is always right to frame Freeze. The rest of the jury is all "Well Batman said he did it so he must be guilty" and Bruce has to convince them that sometimes even Batman makes mistakes.
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muscles like this! posted:There was one comic where Superman gaslighted Jimmy into thinking he was turning into a mer person and could breathe underwater. I love this story. I grew up laughing at the old Silver Age Superman and Jimmy Olsen covers on Superdickery and was delighted to find out that the stories inside were way more insane than the covers let on. Alaois posted:i think part of the reason superman and batman are more iconic in the american cultural consciousness than most marvel characters is having a solid ~40 year head start of continuous media production with no significant pause, just spitballin Eh, not quite. Superman and Batman were always popular. Superheroes were mega popular and the dominant comic genre during the WW2 years but right after, the only superheroes that really kept up their popularity were Superman and Batman. Every other character waned until the dawn of the Silver Age. Except for Captain Marvel. A bit of forgotten history, but Captain Marvel was far more popular than Superman for a long time. So popular that DC sued Fawcett and won. So Fawcett wouldn’t publish any more Captain Marvel until DC eventually licensed the character from them in the 70s (and eventually bought them outright). So Captain Marvel became mostly forgotten in the coming decades. And the copyright on the name expired, so there were dozens of other characters named Captain Marvel, including Marvel’s. So now DC couldn’t publish the character’s own name on his own comic covers. Detective No. 27 has a new favorite as of 16:59 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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I think one of my favorite is the one with the robot designed to smash your camera. Just the level of being a dick Superman goes through when he could have just asked Jimmy not to take a picture.
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Rockman Reserve posted:to tie it back to the topic, the reason it seems like DCs heroes don’t age as poorly as Marvel’s is because they’re less people and more logos I think the big DC Heroes are just more archetypal than Marvels are, although I'd argue that Spider-Man is probably a 4th superhero archetype. Marvel have always been a little more prone to trend-chasing too, although characters can survive that, like Luke Cage has, albeit by changing significantly. There's a tendency to think of DC as more conservative since their big names have dad vibes while Marvel leans towards "this could be you and your pals" vibes, but DC was canny as heck in the late 80s and 90s in getting a lot of pretty experimental talent on board and letting them loose on dead properties like Doom Patrol or Sandman.
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Spider-man almost feels like an outlier tbh. Like if you back and read the old silver age stuff the first Spider-Man is just head and shoulders above everything else they were writing at the time
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christmas boots posted:Spider-man almost feels like an outlier tbh. Like if you back and read the old silver age stuff the first Spider-Man is just head and shoulders above everything else they were writing at the time Spider-Man seems like he couldn't have really existed before the "teen-ager" became a thing a few years earlier. I find it interesting that some later versions of The Flash fit that nervous-but-capable rookie role in the Justice League later. There'd been teenage characters before, like Robin or Bucky, but they weren't really the same idea.
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Disco Pope posted:Spider-Man seems like he couldn't have really existed before the "teen-ager" became a thing a few years earlier. I find it interesting that some later versions of The Flash fit that nervous-but-capable rookie role in the Justice League later. There'd been teenage characters before, like Robin or Bucky, but they weren't really the same idea. Robin and Bucky were children who sometimes acted like adults or viceversa, Spider-Man was breaking ground when he was worrying about how his powers and responsibilities would affect his schoolwork and personal relationships and later on how he would make ends meet despite being a top ten most powerful superhero at the time
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And the struggles of nocturnal web emissions
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Yeah Peter was unique in that he was a person who was a superhero. The X-men would later do a similar thing under Claremont but it was more a fusion of the two and Peter came first
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Nottherealaborn posted:DC has bat nipples, and I don’t think Marvel can ever live up to that standard. Rob Liefeld would like a word 
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