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Also tanking the bone dragon north is something exclusive to the primal datacenter. They do not do it anywhere else.
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Also tanking the bone dragon north is something exclusive to the primal datacenter. They do not do it anywhere else, iirc.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:34
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Also tanking the bone dragon north is something exclusive to the primal datacenter. They do not do it anywhere else, iirc.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:35
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Lol fuckin app triple posting.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:35
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Mr. Nice! posted:Also tanking the bone dragon north is something exclusive to the primal datacenter. They do not do it anywhere else. This is true but here’s my anecdote: the two times I’ve not seen the bone dragon pulled north are also the only two times we wiped to the bone dragon. I do not trust pubs. (Am on Primal.)
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Mar 25, 2022 18:36
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:If you put this much thought into a roulette you're a lost soul and I hope God's grace can find you in that darkness one day. Allarion posted:Running MSQ roulette for the XP was your first mistake My solution is that I just don’t run MSQR at all.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:39
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Mr. Nice! posted:Also tanking the bone dragon north is something exclusive to the primal datacenter. They do not do it anywhere else. I'm on Crystal and I have not seen bone dragon pulled anywhere else, but north Edit: wait I never have actually looked at the map North is running past bone dragon and pulling to the top of the arena, right?
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Mar 25, 2022 18:42
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Electric Phantasm posted:I'm on Crystal and I have not seen bone dragon pulled anywhere else, but north. Oh god our sickness has spread.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:43
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Aether still parks Bone Dragon dead center where it loving belongs. 
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Mar 25, 2022 18:44
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Electric Phantasm posted:I'm on Crystal and I have not seen bone dragon pulled anywhere else, but north Yeah. The entrance is South, bad groups pull across to the North. If the healers are awake you can just hold the boss in the middle.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:45
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Can I blame North pulls for our groups getting owned by the Iron Giant in the King Behemoth fight?
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Mar 25, 2022 18:52
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I have literally not done MSQ roulette once since they made the cutscenes unskippable like 5 years ago.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:54
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Mordiceius posted:My solution is that I just don’t run MSQR at all. This is the magical solution to the problem of "I don't like some of the contents of this roulette". Don't run it! Do something else! Run a different roulette! Find a different source of XP! Also as a Crystal resident it's kind of random if you're going to get Bone Dragon center or north... but I remember it being north more often. It doesn't actually matter and I don't care, I am usually too busy spamming my AOE heals when the skellies show up because I have experienced wipes to having absolute useless rear end-scratching healers in the party when they all explode.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:55
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I do it when I have youtube videos or streams to watch.
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Mar 25, 2022 18:55
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I’m on Crystal, and they pull Bone Dragon north 80% of the time. Last time I tanked it, someone provoked it from me and pulled it north. Ha. Haaaa.
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Mar 25, 2022 19:00
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Electric Phantasm posted:I saw it like a month ago and then sometime after that it was a full on wipe. Granted it hasn't happened to me since then, but I have put myself on add duty since then cause like hell am I going to be part of another bone dragon wipe. Yup. One skeleton boom is nothing, them all going boom spread out isn't usually an issue unless the healers aren't doing anything, but if they all go boom at once without mitigation (I can't even remember who has tools to help the party for that at level 50) you can end up with half the raid dead or more. It's close, even a little bit of buffer can prevent it, but it's very possible.
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Mar 25, 2022 19:02
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Mr. Nice! posted:Oh god our sickness has spread. Sickness must be purged
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If you’re a warrior remember that no other tank can generate aggro as well as a berserked or inner released set of tomahawks. It’s not damage efficient, but you can voke back and hold hate where others cannot as easily.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Can I blame North pulls for our groups getting owned by the Iron Giant in the King Behemoth fight? That's the tank (assuming someone actually picked it up) deciding to stand behind the same boulder as everyone else instead of taking a far one alone. CLEAVE CLEAVE CLEAVE
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Mar 25, 2022 19:06
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Leal posted:Sickness must be purged This will be a mercy
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and yet still, primal will freak the gently caress out if anyone dares tank the bone dragon anywhere but as far from the teleporter as possibleKyrosiris posted:Aether still parks Bone Dragon dead center where it loving belongs. i moved from aether to primal a few months after i started playing, and this is still the most  difference
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Mar 25, 2022 19:17
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Mr. Nice! posted:It’s a holdover to 2013, but it wasn’t really even necessary when the content was new. By the time the max ilevel was 110, it was completely unnecessary to even bother with skellies if healers were on the ball. I had more than one goon party be the only surviving party back in the day. Do not underestimate how little I respect lota content Electric Phantasm posted:I saw it like a month ago and then sometime after that it was a full on wipe. Granted it hasn't happened to me since then, but I have put myself on add duty since then cause like hell am I going to be part of another bone dragon wipe. This just makes it take longer honestly
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Mar 25, 2022 19:33
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HackensackBackpack posted:I'm going to take Bone Dragon to the south the next time I get LotA as a tank. Lol someone did that recently on crystal and cleave killed half the raid
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Mar 25, 2022 19:39
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Recently on Aether I've seen a couple tanks pull Bone Dragon north. It has no actual effect on the outcome and yelling at people in alliance chat over it is tedious and useless, so whatever. They were still wrong to pull it north though.  I also saw an actual wipe there a couple months ago, when somehow none of the healers were prepared for the skelesplosions.
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Mar 25, 2022 19:50
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I'm on chaos and I don't think I've ever seen bone dragon not pulled north. I don't do ADR much though. Also I have no idea what the mechanics are on that boss as it's so easy so I've literally no idea why it's a decision in the first place and I certainly don't care to find out.
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Mar 25, 2022 20:19
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Back in ye old days, you'd have the dragon north while each alliance went east, west, south and took care of skeles as they spawned and made sure they went down in separate spots so they wouldnt link up when they revive to rush the boss
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Mar 25, 2022 20:27
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Back in the old days it was always better to keep the dragon center. Tanking north was always unnecessary and slower than center tanking even when the content was new.
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Mar 25, 2022 20:30
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I have no idea what’s even meant to be happening in that fight. What’s the difference between tanking it north and centre?
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Tanking it north takes a couple seconds longer. That's all. Even if the mechanics mattered.
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The skeletons run to the boss, killing themselves and dealing raidwide damage. They spawn in the center, thus, pulling the boss away from the center gives ranged dps more time to kill skeletons and prevent damage. It's also true that this doesn't matter if your healers are actually playing the game.
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I've run each of the HW alliance raids multiple times since the mogtome event started (they never came up in ADR before) and it's given me a real appreciation for Dun Scaith and Mhach, they're beautiful raids with great boss fights. Why is Void Ark so dull and boring in comparison?
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Void Ark was more interesting when the hallway fight in between the first and second boss didn't melt in seconds, the second boss actually got to feed and power up the pillar before being dying, and when Cu Chulainn actually got to do his final phase. Basically all stuff that's been outgeared.
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sirtommygunn posted:The skeletons run to the boss, killing themselves and dealing raidwide damage. They spawn in the center, thus, pulling the boss away from the center gives ranged dps more time to kill skeletons and prevent damage. It's also true that this doesn't matter if your healers are actually playing the game. The skeletons sprint to the boss the moment it dies though, especially if the dragon is pulled north, giving dps even less time to kill skeletons cause they're usually positioned at points far from where the skeletons spawn. It's why keeping dragon at center is actually better overall cause people will be standing at spots to actually respond to skeletons pre-sprint. More likely, all the skeletons explode anyways so it's usually just a healer check either way.
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FuturePastNow posted:I've run each of the HW alliance raids multiple times since the mogtome event started (they never came up in ADR before) and it's given me a real appreciation for Dun Scaith and Mhach, they're beautiful raids with great boss fights. Apparently they reassessed the difficulty level of Alliance Raids after they released Void Ark.
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Void Ark was fine when it launched. Maybe a little easier, but same vein as Rabanastre and Copied Factory, which all became absolute jokes once the end-expansion ilvl completely clowned on them.
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Allarion posted:The skeletons sprint to the boss the moment it dies though, especially if the dragon is pulled north, giving dps even less time to kill skeletons cause they're usually positioned at points far from where the skeletons spawn. It's why keeping dragon at center is actually better overall cause people will be standing at spots to actually respond to skeletons pre-sprint. More likely, all the skeletons explode anyways so it's usually just a healer check either way. So based on all this, the key is that pulling BD north is a hang-over from when maybe the skeletons wouldn't be dead in time? Was the original format one where the skeletons were spawning while the boss was up and you dedicated part of your raid to killing them? Because my experience with it as someone who started a month ago is that the dragon dies before the skeletons are all up, so it ends up with skeletons spawning in and immediately sprinting to the boss. So what was once a coordination check became a healer check as power creep did its thing?
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The skeletons would spawn in the middle while the boss was alive, and the 5 off tanks would pull them to the spokes of the wheel the arena makes, and people would kill them. When the boss dies, the skeletons would respawn where they were defeated, and walk back to the boss to self destruct. But now the boss dies too quick to pull them out and deal with them properly, so they're basically just going to spawn and immediately head to the boss corpse. With everyone synced, the maximum damage is high, but takes little effort to heal through with basic level 50 aoe heals.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:The skeletons would spawn in the middle while the boss was alive, and the 5 off tanks would pull them to the spokes of the wheel the arena makes, and people would kill them. When the boss dies, the skeletons would respawn where they were defeated, and walk back to the boss to self destruct. It's amazing what you never learn or see because of power creep.
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Also it is worth noting that the skeletons take a moment to actually pull themselves together. So if you hold the dragon in the middle the dps have time to kill the skeletons as they spawn but before they touch the dragon. Taking the dragon north causes the skeletons to zoom over and the DPS cannot keep up to kill them.
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Warmachine posted:It's amazing what you never learn or see because of power creep. Someone tell me what those platforms around Glasya's arena are for.
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