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Darth Walrus posted:Portcullis House God drat I thought it was all the twiddly bits and flying butts that I disliked about gothicc revival but that's even worse. I'm going to look at some columns to calm down.
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Guavanaut posted:Portcullis House looks like a Victorian power station hit a 60s business park, it looks like something that would chase John Ruskin during the depths of an ether binge before tripping and falling on its back, it looks like Dark Souls IV: Gundyr Starts a Change Management Consultancy, it looks like someone did the Oxford Movement on a PlayStation One. I just looked it up and what the gently caress Why is it like 20% chimney? What are they even for? It's an office building isn't it? I like that it was apparently built the colour that you normally have to wait 50 years of coal fire to achieve.
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Danger - Octopus! posted:Are there any threads elsewhere on the forum about UK jobhunting (for permanent jobs, not contractor type stuff)? There will be a few recruitment firms that specialise in financial skill sets. Update your CV and include literally everything you do right now and fire it off to them with a brief message explaining that you've been employed by X for the last Y years and you're looking for something new etc. You're not normally getting interviewed by idiots for technical roles so it avoids a lot of the sillyness thats around nowadays and being currently employed gives you a massive ability to just walk away if it doesn't suit you or you don't think it will click. There's no harm in putting stuff out there. You don't have to take any interviews if you're not sure about the company. The job market right now is also heavily slanted in the employees favour. Its very very difficult to retain and recruit staff right now.
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OwlFancier posted:I just looked it up and what the gently caress
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serious gaylord posted:There will be a few recruitment firms that specialise in financial skill sets. Update your CV and include literally everything you do right now and fire it off to them with a brief message explaining that you've been employed by X for the last Y years and you're looking for something new etc. Thanks - and to the other folk who replied too :-) Was just kind of weird realising I had no idea how it all worked now!
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Failed Imagineer posted:Also you should lie a lot This is a very dangerous one, but then again the only time I ever got called out on even the slightest embellishment was when I 100% did what my CV said and more besides, I just couldn't remember some technical detail (how many bits TI MCU registers have) and the interviewer was absolutely convinced I was a complete liar and berated me at length with smugness radiating off of him (to be fair he did work at TI before apparently, but still). More fool him I suppose, I got a better job for more money instead. e: It was 20 for memory addressing I think, or maybe 24 for DAC not sure. Something non-obvious and forgettable, either-way. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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Guavanaut posted:Apparently the architectural brief was "to recall the Victorian Gothic design of the Palace of Westminster and to fit in with the chimneys of the Norman Shaw Building next door" but I think it was actually "imagine the rubbish incinerator at hogwarts and add some office windows." I suppose it does at least give you the idea of gothic architecture but in an unpleasant way because when you actually look at it it just looks like a horrible modernist mess. It's like modernism but wearing gothic dazzle camo so you would be misled from a distance. I like gothic revival honestly, but that might be cos we've got a good one of them too:  Local government dracula next to horrible 1970's office tower that I am sure they must have built with manky brown glass windows because it's been that colour since I was a kid. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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Danger - Octopus! posted:Thanks - and to the other folk who replied too :-) Was just kind of weird realising I had no idea how it all worked now! What kind of role have you been doing and where are you in the country?
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It gives you the impression of gothic in the same way that the old toy store in Leicester gave you the idea of classical Greek. Except that at least looks fun and welcoming and not like a carceral Premier Inn.
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Guavanaut posted:Portcullis House looks like a Victorian power station hit a 60s business park, it looks like something that would chase John Ruskin during the depths of an ether binge before tripping and falling on its back, it looks like Dark Souls IV: Gundyr Starts a Change Management Consultancy, it looks like someone did the Oxford Movement on a PlayStation One. I actually quite like it, for a pomo building - the "chimneys" are the tops of the piles for the Westminster station box and part of a fairly clever passive aircon system, and the building itself is actually an integral part of that structure (capping the piles to prevent them being pushed in by the ground pressure). If you look at is as a whole system like that - that it's the result of the incredible difficulty of digging a very deep hole in extremely adverse ground conditions, with no space to spare, and the very real prospect of Big Ben sliding into the hole if you cock it up, I think you can forgive the somewhat dull cosmetics (which do actually, at least IMO, fulfill the criteria of providing a visual link between the Scotland Yard/Norman Shaw Buildings complex and the Palace of Westminster). I mean personally I'd have gone even more Gothic Revival with it just because it looks a bit drab compared to the Palace but I don't think there's a single architect in the world I'd trust with that as a brief. And even though I dislike pointless ornament on buildings, I'll take Gothic Revival over Neoclassical any day of the week, especially for institutional buildings. Columns are for fash.
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OwlFancier posted:I just looked it up and what the gently caress I quite like it. Its a funky natural ventilation system a bit like the senedd has I guess.  goddamnedtwisto posted:I actually quite like it, for a pomo building - the "chimneys" are the tops of the piles for the Westminster station box Not exactly: 
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Part of me wonders sometimes whether or not it would hypothetically be possible to build something like actual gothic architecture any more. Cos, like, they occasionally do restore bits of older buildings, so presumably there are people capable of remaking the style in similar materials. But then I think that the structural inability to do it, and instead to build horrible mutant poo poo that looks like you just grabbed whatever was in the yellow sticker section at the cladding panel shop, and then because you are a journalist you also bought half a dozen 30 foot chimneys as an impulse buy, and decided you had to make a building out of it, is really more of an issue. goddamnedtwisto posted:I actually quite like it, for a pomo building - the "chimneys" are the tops of the piles for the Westminster station box and part of a fairly clever passive aircon system, and the building itself is actually an integral part of that structure (capping the piles to prevent them being pushed in by the ground pressure). Oh are they like a windcatcher? If so that to me is a better argument for putting louvred church spires on everything. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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Tsietisin posted:What kind of role have you been doing and where are you in the country? Edinburgh, and working for a large financial services company doing internal policy planning & compliance activities around resilience/disaster recovery type stuff. So basically supporting implementing regulations around resilience, internal policies some training, assuring compliance to regulations we say everyone need to do. Non-technical though, I'm not a computer toucher so it's not all complicated detail about systems and datacentre failovers or w/e. I know near zero in the technology and systems space. Not wedded to resilience/DR type things, but the planning/compliance stuff around policy and regulation is interesting as a general thing - but I've not any specialist qualifications or w/e Danger - Octopus! fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 25, 2022 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I mean personally I'd have gone even more Gothic Revival with it just because it looks a bit drab compared to the Palace but I don't think there's a single architect in the world I'd trust with that as a brief. Gothic vague aesthetic without Gothic twiddly bits is somehow far worse, like Christopher Lee's Dracula suddenly turning up wearing Silicon Valley business casual.
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 I'll fuckin ave yer van helsing yew bastard.
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OwlFancier posted:Part of me wonders sometimes whether or not it would hypothetically be possible to build something like actual gothic architecture any more. The fundamental problem is the moment we cracked structural steel and reinforced concrete form no longer had to follow function. Architecture was as much about the available materials and their limitations as it was about a grand vision. Westminster Abbey, as we're in the neighbourhood, looks the way it does because that was the only way they knew how to make a building that massive. The twiddliness of Norman/Gothic architecture is that way because you couldn't make a tall, straight wall strong enough to avoid being pushed apart by the roof without making it castle-thicc, so you needed buttresses, which leaves voids that you can't really avoid the temptation to fill in with statuary, and flying buttresses which themselves often need their own buttresses, and basically twiddliness is unavoidable at that point. You definitely could build it again the exact same way if you really wanted to, or an exact cosmetic copy out of steel and concrete for a tiny fraction of the cost and time, but nowadays you can make buildings basically any shape you want as long as there's somewhere to put the lifts and the aircon (and even then you can just stick them on the outside). This gives us lots of interesting buildings but also lots of utter, utter poo poo because people keep having Ideas so you end up with 30-storey Groverhaus nightmares of mismatched windows and misshapen rooms because nobody's actually having to think about what they do, they just slap something together that looks good in the renders and leave the studio to work out the details. (This was going to be a longer post but unfortunately other stuff got in the way so I'm just going to be a modern architect and hit Send without actually thinking any more about it)
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Danger - Octopus! posted:Edinburgh, and working for a large financial services company doing internal policy planning & compliance activities around resilience/disaster recovery type stuff. So basically supporting implementing regulations around resilience, internal policies some training, assuring compliance to regulations we say everyone need to do. Non-technical though, I'm not a computer toucher so it's not all complicated detail about systems and datacentre failovers or w/e. I know near zero in the technology and systems space. Not wedded to resilience/DR type things, but the planning/compliance stuff around policy and regulation is interesting as a general thing - but I've not any specialist qualifications or w/e I have had a lot of job success through LinkedIn. Just create a profile if you haven't got one already, put your job history and experience on there, tick the little box which says you're open to offers, and just wait for the recruiters to come to you.
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Portcullis House is pretty interesting. I think it's designed to be a 3D representation of the UK Parliament portcullis-like logo. There was a restaurant there (I had my first medium rare steak there) in the open courtyard-ish area you always see and there's an underground tunnel left of the entrance that goes under the street and straight into Westminster Palace.
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The Perfect Element posted:I have had a lot of job success through LinkedIn. Just create a profile if you haven't got one already, put your job history and experience on there, tick the little box which says you're open to offers, and just wait for the recruiters to come to you. +1 to this. Last job literally came through updating my profile, setting myself open to offers, and everything after that was responding to people coming to me.
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Private Speech posted:This is a very dangerous one, but then again the only time I ever got called out on even the slightest embellishment was when I 100% did what my CV said and more besides, I just couldn't remember some technical detail (how many bits TI MCU registers have) and the interviewer was absolutely convinced I was a complete liar and berated me at length with smugness radiating off of him (to be fair he did work at TI before apparently, but still). Any interview for a job that asks me obscure poo poo like that, I'm going to answer "I'd have to google to look that up to confirm." and then mentally write that place off. Don't want to work with people who consider memory more important then skill.
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It's because of the graduate to recruitment consultant pipeline where most 'graduate jobs' are now just "scout out reed and linkedin to get applicants or you'll have to move back home."
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Danger - Octopus! posted:Edinburgh, and working for a large financial services company doing internal policy planning & compliance activities around resilience/disaster recovery type stuff. So basically supporting implementing regulations around resilience, internal policies some training, assuring compliance to regulations we say everyone need to do. Non-technical though, I'm not a computer toucher so it's not all complicated detail about systems and datacentre failovers or w/e. I know near zero in the technology and systems space. Not wedded to resilience/DR type things, but the planning/compliance stuff around policy and regulation is interesting as a general thing Collibra have a lot of good stuff on their website and events on data management, maybe have a look and with your regulatory background, it’s an area that you’ll get a lot of interest from recruiters on.
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https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1507467808724353024 Turns out replacing the entire crew of an extremely complex piece of machinery with multiple life-critical systems is slightly harder than getting some new warehouse workers, whodathunkit?
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Private Speech posted:This is a very dangerous one, but then again the only time I ever got called out on even the slightest embellishment was when I 100% did what my CV said and more besides, I just couldn't remember some technical detail (how many bits TI MCU registers have) and the interviewer was absolutely convinced I was a complete liar and berated me at length with smugness radiating off of him (to be fair he did work at TI before apparently, but still). lol I had an interview where I was asked to do a basic python list operation and despite me knowing python pretty well, thanks to the pandemic I'd not used python in 14 months and I completely blanked on the full syntax despite that he said that it was clear I was just rusty and that I was the only candidate who showed a hint of actually touching python, including someone who claimed to be a "professional Python developer" who failed the same question harder it helped I knew the difference between a set, dict and list
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IllusionistTrixie posted:Any interview for a job that asks me obscure poo poo like that, I'm going to answer "I'd have to google to look that up to confirm." and then mentally write that place off. Don't want to work with people who consider memory more important then skill. "I would google that" is often the correct practical answer, but a better gauge of your potential employer is "I would look it up in your no doubt comprehensive and well-written specifications" and seeing if the interviewer winces
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Tesseraction posted:lol I had an interview where I was asked to do a basic python list operation and despite me knowing python pretty well, thanks to the pandemic I'd not used python in 14 months and I completely blanked on the full syntax
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London trip report: the Met had a PR tent outside King's Cross, I think they're worried normal people are catching on that AC might be B. Big video wall and everything with smiling friendly coppers on it. And the Eurostar is not coping with having to stamp every British passport. They need more grumpy French passport booths, but I can't see anywhere to put them really. They didn't design it with room to expand in case of Brexit (or more trains to additional cities - it would be chaos if they did ever add Frankfurt or similar. How close is the tunnel itself to capacity anyway?)
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TACD posted:if you happen to need another Python toucher I’ve just been told there’s no money to pay me at my current place past April Update your LinkedIn. I get constant messages for python jobs despite it not even being listed as language I code.
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Mega Comrade posted:Update your LinkedIn. I get constant messages for python jobs despite it not even being listed as language I code. Guess I’ll go set up a LinkedIn (gross)
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LinkedIn is nbd, it's just a place where you upload your details and recruiters offer you money for your skills. You don't really have to engage with any of the social aspect of it, even though they try to lure you in with "somebody looked at your profile!" every single day, but the actual user experience sucks so much that it's not at all enticing
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TACD posted:That’s kind of reassuring, I had no idea if there was any professional need for Python devs outside of the niche science robotics thing I’ve been in so far Yeah LinkedIn sucks, but it's the best way to job hunt as a computer toucher. Set your profile to looking for work and just wait for the recruiter messages to come in, it's a sellers market right now. If you haven't job searched in a while here are some tips. - Always ask the salary range in the first reply, if they don't give it or reply with "competitive" they are below market, move on. - Don't tell them what you are earning now, ever. They will ask, politely tell them you'd prefer not to say, don't even tell them what you want. Your just putting an upper cap on your potential salary. - Be prepared to study. It's silly but loads of places filter out people using services like leet code. Go over basic terms and acronyms too. - Have a personal project ready to show off, it can get you out of coding exercises, remember the they just want proof you can do what you claim. - if you can, take your time, it can be draining. When I first started I was trying to squeeze out 4 take homes a weekend while also studying. So I took a break and came back and limited myself to talking to no more than 2/3 people at a time and refused any take home that was more than 2 hours. Yes it took longer but was much less stressful. - if you are bad at interviews, maybe go along with some even if you plan on not taking the job, I always do this to shrug off the interviewing cobwebs, and its less nerve racking when I don't actually want the job. It will make you more prepared for the interview you do want to nail. - remember, rejection doesn't mean you are bad, just someone else was more suited (or hell, they just know someone at the company).
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Alternative salary advice : I have always claimed to be on 20%ish more than I am, and say I could only move for 20%ish more than that again. Even if they don't meet that demand, it at least gets you decent first offer if they're interested. It's so dumb though, just a stupid game where either you understand and exploit the rules, or where you fail to understand the game and never get decent money.
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The “don’t tell them what you earn now” thing doesn’t really work in the UK. Maybe if you’re dealing directly with the company you could manage it, but external recruiters just won’t progress your application if you don’t give them a number for your current compensation. Of course that means you just tell them a number that’s a chunk higher than the real one.
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peanut- posted:The “don’t tell them what you earn now” thing doesn’t really work in the UK. Maybe if you’re dealing directly with the company you could manage it, but external recruiters just won’t progress your application if you don’t give them a number for your current compensation. I don't know about other areas but for programmers it definitely works. I've always done it and everyone I know in the industry personally also does it. The pitching way higher than you currently earn as previously mentioned can also work if you don't mind fibbing. The Perfect Element posted:It's so dumb though, just a stupid game where either you understand and exploit the rules, or where you fail to understand the game and never get decent money. Yeah the whole thing is a farce, both sides know it but for whatever reason no one will change it. Not putting salary range in the basic info for example, it's only done that way so the currently underpaid staff don't realise how underpaid they are. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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peanut- posted:The “don’t tell them what you earn now” thing doesn’t really work in the UK. Maybe if you’re dealing directly with the company you could manage it, but external recruiters just won’t progress your application if you don’t give them a number for your current compensation. I refused to tell either the recruiter or my new employer what I was making. I gave them a range I would accept, with the bottom end being of that range being what I considered the bare minimum I would accept. It was also the going rate for the seniority I was pitching for, so I knew it would be reasonable. Your current salary is nobody’s loving business (except your fellow worker’s; solidarity through honesty).
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I should probably redo my LinkedIn, I hate it and haven't touched it in years but I also finally have a proper job title with an obvious path of progression that isn't either plain admin or some made up bollocks because I was the only person in the company doing what I was but also didn't have any seniority/authority to do anything with it. And it only took until I was 35!
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Jeherrin posted:I refused to tell either the recruiter or my new employer what I was making. I gave them a range I would accept, with the bottom end being of that range being what I considered the bare minimum I would accept. It was also the going rate for the seniority I was pitching for, so I knew it would be reasonable. "My current employer considers that information financially sensitive, and asked us not to share that information, so I'm trying to respect that". It's an obvious lie, but if they pursue it further they look unprofessional
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:I should probably redo my LinkedIn, I hate it and haven't touched it in years but I also finally have a proper job title with an obvious path of progression that isn't either plain admin or some made up bollocks because I was the only person in the company doing what I was but also didn't have any seniority/authority to do anything with it. And it only took until I was 35! Same, 44 and doing a customer support job for nearly 15 years now. I keep getting entry levels for other cs jobs, which I will not do after I leave here. Linkedln is great for reading articles from absolute gobshites though.
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