Randalor posted:

I honestly have no idea if this is supposed to be for or against her. She's presented with an image that, by definition, has no factually right or wrong answer, and still gives the only objectively true answer.

Discendo Vox posted:

Lotsa options here.

Raised By Birds posted:

He's been going after Schwab so much lately I was almost surprised to see him mention Soros again.

Twelve by Pies posted:

Did you forget that Rall repeatedly attempted to murder a kid in high school, had sex with multiple women when he thought he had HIV, and told a story about how he once murdered a homeless man?

He's never had a moral fiber.

Discendo Vox posted:

He "came off okay" because you are the target audience.

Randalor posted:

I honestly have no idea if this is supposed to be for or against her. She's presented with an image that, by definition, has no factually right or wrong answer, and still gives the only objectively true answer.

100YrsofAttitude posted:

I know we cater to a certain flavor of masochism in this thread, but are there really so few cartoonists of caliber left in the world?

Cloud Potato posted:

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Pants Donkey posted:

You all forgot that Rall was definitely going to be a nuclear engineer, but in college he had a wart with roots that burrowed deep into his chest and hit his heart/aorta and caused him to bleed out (while having sex with a hot lady, of course) which forced him to drop the program. It was such a very real and unique phenomenon that medical journals did a study on it, which is also very real even though you can’t find anything regarding it.

I guess less morally dubious and just sad.

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Discendo Vox posted:

Broader events on the forums have been driving people away from DnD, which includes some of the people who used to post cartoonists, including some good ones and international ones. I'd definitely like to see more posted from additional sources.

100YrsofAttitude posted:

II'm sure someone can find his own transphobic and homophobic pieces, but I don't remember them.

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But gays and their straight allies are deluding themselves if they believe that achieving marriage equality is anything but a pyrrhic victory for liberals and progressives.

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Gays and lesbians may not all realize it yet, but adopting the cultural trappings of America’s hegemonic majority culture is a tragic, disastrous, suicidal move. This is why those fighting for the right to enter into state-sanctioned monogamous marital pacts are finding that they’re pushing against an open door.

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The sad truth is that the LGBT movement has abandoned its progressive roots. It has become a conservative movement.

Somfin posted:

The fact that the thread seems to turn into a greatest hits of Rall every time one gets posted probably isn't helping the bleeding

Twelve by Pies posted:

True, but I do think it's good for people who haven't been following this thread for years like we have know why Rall is such an rear end in a top hat, and why he gets so much hate when it sometimes looks like "Hey he's on the left too, he's got pretty good opinions, why does everyone hate him so much?"

Dr. VooDoo posted:

I mean…yes? A judge should not rule using their own preconceived conclusions but instead expert testimony should be used to come to a fair and impartial ruling

disposablewords posted:

Rall isn't the only one I saw push that kind of idea at the time, unfortunately. I know I saw opinions during the marriage equality argument days (as if they've ever truly ended) from within that wanted queer people to stay "queer," as in weird, and that a fellow gay person's desire for marriage was somehow harmful to them. A definite minority of a minority opinion, but goddamn surreal.

disposablewords posted:

Rall isn't the only one I saw push that kind of idea at the time, unfortunately. I know I saw opinions during the marriage equality argument days (as if they've ever truly ended) from within that wanted queer people to stay "queer," as in weird, and that a fellow gay person's desire for marriage was somehow harmful to them. A definite minority of a minority opinion, but goddamn surreal.

Trapezium Dave posted:

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NDP posted:

Also, doesn't this pretty much amount to a straight person (Rall) accusing gay people of not being "gay enough"?

Somfin posted:

I remember the TVTropes thread spiralling in the same way by the end, a bunch of folks kept trying to get the good times rolling again by reposting classics and discussing years-deep in-jokes

Twelve by Pies posted:

Considering that the article starts off with Rall saying "I miss the gays of the 70s, they defied cultural norms and should have liberated us from tradition," it seems like Rall thinks that gay people exist only to make society better for straight people. He also laments that gay people want to be just like "normal" people, which means he seems to fail to understand that people just happen to be gay, it isn't something people do to be different or have a radical counterculture lifestyle.

Twelve by Pies posted:

Eh, I guess that's potentially a danger of any thread, yeah, but we have enough people posting cartoons daily that I think we have a long way to go before it's just people posting old Ralls for weeks on end. Political cartoons are usually run daily so there's more or less always fresh content (even if we don't post all of them), rather than having to wait for an article on a site to update for something new.

Crunch Buttsteak posted:

I find it funny that Ted Rall laments the LGBT movement being co-opted into being conservative, while he seems to have internalized the idea that people being gay or trans is a radical series of actions that goes against the very fabric of society, which is a deeply conservative worldview.

David Horsey posted:

The successful effort of workers at the Starbucks on the corner of Broadway and East Denny Way to form a union may be just an isolated event, but it also could be a harbinger of things to come.

After a golden era for unions in the middle of the 20th century — the gold being improved wages for millions of workers that lifted them into America’s middle class — the number of people represented by unions dwindled dramatically in recent decades. One reason for that decline was attributable to the disappearance of so many of the industrial jobs that were the most heavily unionized.

Today, there is an uptick in formation of unions that is happening in a different sector — service workers. The people in those jobs — from Starbucks baristas to hotel maids — are among the most economically insecure. Many are young, many are immigrants or people of color. They include men and women without high school degrees, as well as college grads who cannot find work matching their field of study. They are more transient, more likely to be working part time and certainly unable to pay for their own health care.

For many employers, these lesser-skilled workers have been easily replaceable. They had no impetus to offer better pay, better hours and extra benefits to workers with very little leverage. However, the coronavirus pandemic may have changed things.

Over the last two disrupted years, many people have dropped out of the workforce or have reassessed what demands and indignities they will tolerate in jobs that do not pay them a living wage. At least for now, it is tougher for employers to find enough people to do the unglamorous, unfulfilling and poorly rewarded work that undergirds our entire economy.

At the Starbucks on Broadway, only 13 employees were eligible for the union vote, so this was not a major event in the great scheme of things. However, folks at six other Starbucks locations in the city are working to form unions. If this is happening at a company where employees are treated comparatively well, what may yet come in the less enlightened corners of the economy?

David Horsey posted:

In his Sunday column, Danny Westneat diagnosed the contradictions that plague Seattle’s attempts to deal with our city’s most prolific criminals.

As Westneat pointed out, those malefactors are no strangers to the police; they are arrested repeatedly. Yet, divergent concepts of justice among the various actors in the city’s political and legal system have repeatedly undermined attempts to put an end to these people’s careers in crime.

There are 118 offenders who have been identified by Seattle and King County as being responsible for 2,400 crimes. Among them are gun-toting dealers of deadly drugs, as well as professional thieves who steal from beleaguered downtown stores and private cars and homes in the neighborhoods. Simple logic would suggest that taking these individuals off the streets would be the smart thing to do, but that is not happening.

Advocates for better drug and mental-health treatment programs and activists pushing against institutional racism and inequities in the legal system are rightly arguing that locking people up and throwing away the key is no long-term solution to crime. Unfortunately, this sound argument is often twisted to suggest that any effective effort to stop persistent criminals must be deferred until perfect justice has been achieved.

That approach leaves the vast majority of the city’s residents – especially those living in predominantly non-white communities who are disproportionately the victims of crime – with their own rights abused and justice denied. So, city leaders, get your act together. Get the persistent perpetrators into drug rehab or a mental-health program or into a prison cell, whatever approach makes sense, but get them out of the revolving door at the courthouse where they are repeatedly set loose to degrade our city again and again.

Neito posted:

I can't tell if this is intended to be complementary or a criticism for "settling".

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Advocates for better drug and mental-health treatment programs and activists pushing against institutional racism and inequities in the legal system are rightly arguing that locking people up and throwing away the key is no long-term solution to crime.

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So, city leaders, get your act together. Get the persistent perpetrators into drug rehab or a mental-health program or into a prison cell, whatever approach makes sense

Technowolf posted:

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Raised By Birds posted:

By popular demand posted:

gently caress you Horsey.

Raised By Birds posted:

Since Horsey was mentioned, let's see what he's up to today.





I think Horsey's toons are even larger than Garrison's.

Jay Rust posted:

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Jay Rust posted:

kirschen: high AF


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