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Problematic Pigeon posted:No one will believe me but before watching the episode, I laid out my grand theory to the only other person I know who watches the show, and it included Gemma=Ms. Casey but I neglected to post it so now I can't claim any Internet Cred Yeah, I think you're on to something here.
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Problematic Pigeon posted:No one will believe me but before watching the episode, I laid out my grand theory to the only other person I know who watches the show, and it included Gemma=Ms. Casey but I neglected to post it so now I can't claim any Internet Cred Is the Allentown stuff from the Apple book?
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koshmar posted:Is the Allentown stuff from the Apple book? I haven't read it, so it could completely contradict everything I wrote. Dylan talks about it with Helly at one point, if I remember correctly.
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Mar 26, 2022 06:18
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Yeah, it's in episode 1 or 2, but they obscure it by fading the dialogue out halfway through the discussion.
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Wait till you realize why she had that green-and-red candle in Mark’s wellness visit when he made the tree. Oh god loving dammit I had forgotten about that. I had thought it was just Cobel getting her sick jollies or just seeing how Mark might react to it, and both those things could still be true but now with that extra added element that makes me detest her even more!
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It kind of the first thing that makes me like her, if only in an agent-of-chaos kind of way, deliberately trying to reconnect them even if it's a super hosed up circumstance. I guess I just implicitly hate the board even more than her. And regarding if the numbers refinement = editing severed people one way or the other, I wonder what connection it had to the numbers next to their names in the security room with the health readouts and stuff. I can't quite recall but they didn't seem like id numbers, maybe their "Scores?" rewatching ep1: and Dylan's talking about wrapping up the Tumwater file and Petey needing to process it. I don't recall mark ever processing anyone's anything after he becomes Petey's position. He then opens a virtual rolodex with filenames, picking Dranesville to work on. Don't know if I noticed before the files had been named I mostly noticed the numbers and haven't been paying attention to the UI. Dunno if it's important but the other filenames barely shown he flips through are Bellingham, Cairns, Coleman, Culpepper. Khanstant fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Mar 26, 2022 06:33
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I can't believe we're (possibly) meeting the board next week. I never thought we'd get to that point this season. This show has been very quickly paced, surprisingly.
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That is an interesting idea if that's what she's doing. The board thinks reintegration doesn't exist, and she's trying to prove it. So she promotes Mark to make things more stressful for him. (Maybe she even chose Helly who perhaps is someone that isn't a fit for the severed program, so her rebellious innie also stresses out Mark). Then she starts working on stressing out outie Mark by doing annoying poo poo like putting her garbage bins in his spot. Then hopefully that puts enough stress on his brain that, with the help of the candle, and the wellness person being his actual wife, maybe things bleed through.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I can't believe we're (possibly) meeting the board next week. I never thought we'd get to that point this season. I can't believe that they really did the muffled voice thing, like the board in Control, when they were talking to the assistant lady.
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Cojawfee posted:I can't believe that they really did the muffled voice thing, like the board in Control, when they were talking to the assistant lady. The people who make this show seem influenced by gaming -- they've cited The Stanley Parable as an influence -- so I wonder if it's deliberate.
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why does helly have white roses when leaving her first day at work in the parking lot? edit: oh millichick gives em to her "hey old-timer! one day down" what is lumon putting in the waters? Khanstant fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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In the security room, the numbers for Irving and Helly sync up even after changing: 9056 IRVING B 2021 DYLAN G 9056 HELLY R 6709 MARK S 1112 IRVING B 1266 DYLAN G 1112 HELLY R 5100 MARK S The bleed-through might be working both ways with the Innies and Outies. Mark's Innie sculpts the tree where Gemma died while in the presence of Gemma and Gemma's candle, and Mark's Outie recalls the language of the wellness sessions (performed by Ms. Casey) when remembering Gemma: "Try to enjoy all these facts equally." "I loved all these things about her equally." I'm loving this show. At this point, I don't even care if they stick the landing. What they have so far is enormously compelling. This is purestrain Philip K. Dick.
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they don't show the end of the _free brain surgery_ and im' wondering if they all have a soft spot where they drilled the hole
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Khanstant posted:they don't show the end of the _free brain surgery_ and im' wondering if they all have a soft spot where they drilled the hole Severance USB-C
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Khanstant posted:why does helly have white roses when leaving her first day at work in the parking lot?
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yeah at the time wondering if white roses meant something, i dont know all the flower meanings, but some kind of gift I think probably more personal to her, for whatever reason the unsevered were excited she was doing it. Jame Eagan is apparently trying to sever children (which definitely means they've already gone and done it), I'm still suspecting Helly to maybe be his kid or some other exec to prove a point.
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There's something horrific here about creating a new workforce of severed labourers, and I feel like the show is driving in this direction. Could Gema's body be legally dead, but the severwnce body be owned by Lumon?
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That'd be great because I feel like nobody really made a fuss when Grand Moff Tarkin's image was puppeted by Disney for Rogue One. His family/estate agreed to it, but effectively if you work for Disney they have a way to use your image to work for them, even after you die. Or when Kanye made a deepfaked Robert Kardashian hologram from OJ footage to make him say weird poo poo to Kim and compliment Kanye on his genius. I don't know what you call the wrongness there but idk, I'm not "okay" with that sort of thing at all, like on a level I reactively want legislation guaranteeing no labour after death. Gemma being a braindead-outie with a still-made-to-work innie highlights that sort of horror. Ep 2 has a scene where Dylan is telling Helly more about mark's freshmen fluke, but the captions stop and the audio fades out, but even turning it up they reversed the audio and warbled it a bit. SO curious what he's saying. IS it me or do the middle figure kind of look like Helly? My first thought was maybe it was our 4 MDR heroes being whipped into submission by Dear Leader. Mark the fool, Dylan the ram, the young woman helly, the crone Irving. It was apparently painted years before so could also be with Carol D, but I'm thinking the iconography here more general, maybe each figure representing a department oh durr it's their keir principles again woe/dread/frolic/malice. still, wouldn't be fun painting iconography if everything only had one meanings or context.   edit: oh didn't catch the news broadcast featured ther lady who speaks for the board, and one of the issues theyre talking about is a woman who got pregnant a month after her job went severed. yikes Khanstant fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Khanstant posted:edit: oh didn't catch the news broadcast featured ther lady who speaks for the board, and one of the issues theyre talking about is a woman who got pregnant a month after her job went severed. yikes DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Khanstant posted:That'd be great because I feel like nobody really made a fuss when Grand Moff Tarkin's image was puppeted by Disney for Rogue One. His family/estate agreed to it, but effectively if you work for Disney they have a way to use your image to work for them, even after you die. Okay sure but a hologram is not an actual person experiencing those things. The dude who played Tarkin was in no way impacted by that, because he's dead.
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That’s not what labor means Your saying like you can’t use historical figures in art which is weird.
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blue squares posted:Okay sure but a hologram is not an actual person experiencing those things. The dude who played Tarkin was in no way impacted by that, because he's dead. They did the same thing with Mark Hamill though for the Boba Fett show, and he is very much alive.
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njsykora posted:They did the same thing with Mark Hamill though for the Boba Fett show, and he is very much alive. Yeah so they asked him and he participated in the filming
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I'm wondering if Mark's alcohol use is going to come back somehow. Like maybe he was driving the car when Gemma 'died'. 'emotional convenience' and 'I'm not a bad person' have some deeper meaning I think...
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I think it's up in the air whether that car crash even happened at all. Ms Casey is obviously fine, physically anyway. It could be an implanted memory of some kind, or a falsified story.
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Cojawfee posted:I can't believe that they really did the muffled voice thing, like the board in Control, when they were talking to the assistant lady. The Board always makes me think of Management, from Counterpart. 
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roomtone posted:I think it's up in the air whether that car crash even happened at all. Ms Casey is obviously fine, physically anyway. It could be an implanted memory of some kind, or a falsified story. Could be part of a plot to crack Lumen, and I’m starting to think there are major corporate espionage things going on
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Roxana Hadadi from Vulture interviewed Tramell Tillman about the new episode right here and it's good, lots of good info about the big sequence from ep7 my favorite note: Tillman and Rodriguez decided he would be unaware of the dance moves the MDR team would perform during the sequence, adding the additional challenge of Tillman organically responding to them during filming. (The actor’s only self-imposed rule for Milchick: “It’s in the Lumon handbook, no twerking.”) During the first day of filming the MDE, with ice on hand to keep Tillman from sweating through a cream cashmere sweater that “traps heat like none other,” the cast and crew didn’t even get to the dancing.
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Problematic Pigeon posted:No one will believe me but before watching the episode, I laid out my grand theory to the only other person I know who watches the show, and it included Gemma=Ms. Casey but I neglected to post it so now I can't claim any Internet Cred yeah ive been thinking something similar. actually right off the bat in the beginning of the first episode, when we saw the computers with all the numbers they were working on i said to my wife “oh i bet they’re the ones doing the memory manipulations to make severed people” and i only had second thoughts on that once i read the ebook. i didn’t guess his wife was ms casey specifically but i did figure it had to be someone in the company somehow and in retrospect who else could it be? there were only two choices
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I hope that we get to see the parts of the MDE that were filmed but didn’t make the cut to the actual episode.
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Ah poo poo, it's not just to "severed people" is it, I bet it's their own memories they're loving around with. Possibly something to do with removing/softening traumatic memories, for some reason? That's why they need them, because only their brains can recognize their own scary numbers.
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Argue posted:Ah poo poo, it's not just to "severed people" is it, I bet it's their own memories they're loving around with. Possibly something to do with removing/softening traumatic memories, for some reason? That's why they need them, because only their brains can recognize their own scary numbers. I know people have been predicting this but the book they released certainly sounds like a very different direction: when the numbers on a file are completed, a rival company's industrial prototypes are destroyed in an explosion. Though it's more of a terrifying correlation the character observes, not something she can prove or understands.
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Labor was a bad word choice, there's a difference between labor and whatever we're supposed to call the practice of making convincing recreations of dead people to perform and say things they had no say in, things the ex-living person they represent wouldn't say or feel. Whatever it is called, it's disturbing to know that even when you die, some company or weirdo could take your body and voice and reputation to do... whatever they wanted. For now it's poo poo like acting in a lovely company's movies or lying to kim kardashian and I'm already not cool with it, without speculating where else it goes further.blue squares posted:Okay sure but a hologram is not an actual person experiencing those things. The dude who played Tarkin was in no way impacted by that, because he's dead. Alright, but it's illegal to gently caress a corpse or dig one up to dress up for halloween decorations and neither of those things affect the person who no longer exists. I don't personally believe there is a mechanic for souls to exist or for consciousness to carry on after death(outside of scifi copying), but many/most folks believe in that sort of thing, and I think it'd be disturbing to them on that level. euphronius posted:Youre saying like you can’t use historical figures in art which is weird. Put like that, then I'd have to say I think people should have rights over their image, since we're already parcelling out ideas and intellectual property and nonsense like that. Since art has reached the level where this is a thing, that someone's image has value to companies and folks ought to have control and authority over theirs. And if art gets to the point of using simulated consciousnesses, think same sorta deal needs to go down, with whatever added complexity of the consciousnesses probably should be having rights of their own at that point? Then again you can always put your foot down with art, some folks drew their lines at a urinal ya know? eke out posted:I know people have been predicting this but the book they released certainly sounds like a very different direction: when the numbers on a file are completed, a rival company's industrial prototypes are destroyed in an explosion. I'm still hoping for something a bit more interesting than "terrorism" but rewatching ep4 and looking at the little petey map, very much wondering about this "coil of doom" and arrow coming out of the perpetuity wing.
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Khanstant posted:I'm still hoping for something a bit more interesting than "terrorism" but rewatching ep4 and looking at the little petey map, very much wondering about this "coil of doom" and arrow coming out of the perpetuity wing. I also wonder whether it isn't partially a fakeout and the events are caused in some other way. Especially now that we know that Lumen could easily hide severed employee personalities in real people out in the real world, then activate the employee to take them over -- very easy to imagine them doing a bombing by having one of their agents do it, for instance, rather than it being effectively magic e: quote:Is there a specific reason that people are writing Lumen instead of Lumon? i forgot eke out fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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Is there a specific reason that people are writing Lumen instead of Lumon?
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Yeah magic or something weird like somehow hacking chemical mixtures that are somehow internet enabled just to be vulnerable to sabotage?? I think LuluLemon's definitely severing kids already, possibly one or more of our characters are people who were severed as children or were "bred" via severed workers. Maybe they even live in the building, peteys map has a spot for it. They're also doing something to the water, all of their locations are suspiciously next to big bodies of water and the water is already how the government puts fluoride mind control in.
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Khanstant posted:edit: oh didn't catch the news broadcast featured ther lady who speaks for the board, and one of the issues theyre talking about is a woman who got pregnant a month after her job went severed. yikes When was this? roomtone posted:I think it's up in the air whether that car crash even happened at all. Ms Casey is obviously fine, physically anyway. It could be an implanted memory of some kind, or a falsified story. But don't his family members acknowledge the crash? Unless everyone in his life is fake or something.
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Episode 2 or 3, there's a TV report on in the background Mark & Harmony seeing it respectively in their homes. A lot of it involves just petulant bickering over the terms "insie" and "outsie" to deflect from the issues, but before that the presenter is trying to grill her about the reports of employees speaking against the company, including one who became pregnant shortly after her work became severed. I think his family acknowledged the crash and her death, but I don't think they necessarily witnessed the crash or ever saw her corpse, unless you open for taxidermy and an open casket funeral, most people probably don't ever physically confirm the death of a relative's loved one, you certainly don't ask the grieving to "prove it, prove your wife is a normal deceased corpse and there's not something sinister, tragicer, or mysterious going on" Rewatching 4 right now and before they look at another painting they quote some kier "Let not weakness live in your veins. Cherished workers, drown it inside you. Rise up from your deathbed and sally forth, more perfect for the struggle." Could be referring to things like the break room torture meant to purify or temper their humors or whatever, along with whatever psycho noise they play that milichick has to tune out. What's a bit distrubing about this painting though is how the sick or injured kid there seems to have bizarrely large arms, almost looks to me like an adult's body with a child's head transposed. 
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