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Jamesman posted:I think it might be the worst Joker out of the movies I've seen, but I don't know if it's the worst villain. You have a whole cast of characters vying for that role in Suicide Squad. The best thing about Bane in Batman and Robin is the RiffTrax line (when Bane's being strapped down and they're putting a lucha mask on him), "They're going to put boxing gloves on him and force him to read emails!"
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Jamesman posted:Some interesting (and confusing) spoilers from the director of Morbius, as part of an interview with CinemaBlend. I'm assuming this is all real. I went and read it, and... wow yeah you're not wrong. I mean, maybe the movie won't be total dogshit, but the way they are handling some stuff absolutely is. My interest in it went from low to non-existant.
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...the main thing revealed there seems like a pretty major thing for the director to just drop in some random interview, especially since it's not even for his movie
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Mar 26, 2022 14:55
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Lol what the gently caress that interview just straight up give the ending stringer?
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Mar 26, 2022 15:41
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Post it in spoiler text, I'm neither going to Twitter or morbius
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Mar 26, 2022 16:12
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Apparently Toombs recruits him into some kind of Sinister Six which is weird but especially dumb given how No Way Home went
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Mar 26, 2022 16:21
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Soonmot posted:Post it in spoiler text, I'm neither going to Twitter or morbius In no particular order: - Same universe as Venom. There’s a spider-man in this universe which may or may not be introduced sooner than later (not in movie though) - Toombs is the same one from the Homecoming movie / MCU. He jumped universes (purposely/accidentally?) during NWH. - He shows up at the end of the movie in a (slightly different) Vulture suit getting recruited by Morbius.
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Mar 26, 2022 16:27
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I feel like the complaints about the Morbius end scene are inflated by fandom. No one cares that Black widow ends with Pugh's character already having an assassinations handler after the movie ended with her pledging to find the other brainwashed black widows with other white Widows. None of the mcu before infinity war actually connected either. Folks just upset Sony still got marvels toys that they think should be back "home." I watch the after credits like the "next time on arrested development" buttons.
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Mar 26, 2022 16:30
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That ending kind of clashes with my interpretation of the ending of Homecoming, that Vulture bore no extreme ill will towards Peter which is why he lied to Gargan. Though I guess maybe a stint in prison changed his mind.
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There’s a 5 year time gap between the end of Black Widow and the post credits.
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Aphrodite posted:There’s a 5 year time gap between the end of Black Widow and the post credits. Why would she be taking orders from anyone at all and not just chilling with her crew? Considering you know the whole movie and her getting over being a tool for people.
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Karloff posted:That ending kind of clashes with my interpretation of the ending of Homecoming, that Vulture bore no extreme ill will towards Peter which is why he lied to Gargan. Though I guess maybe a stint in prison changed his mind. Presumably he also no longer remembers Peter and his daughter were friends.
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Ah, that's a very good point, I forgot about that.
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To be clear, I haven't seen the movie so this could be answered, but: why does Morbius even care about Spider-Man? It seems completely unmotivated.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I feel like the films have been kind of reluctant to use the newer villains I kind of figures this was a backdoor way of propping Hush up as a villain for a sequel. I might be wrong but the reporter killed wasn't Tommy but Tommy's dad so I guess they could have Tommy want to have revenge against the Wayne's now that he knows the truth. Agree that Court of Owls would make for some good villains in a way that they can turn Gotham against Batman. Personally I would love to see Two Face because he is one my fave villains and he was only done half right once.
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bushisms.txt posted:Why would she be taking orders from anyone at all and not just chilling with her crew? Considering you know the whole movie and her getting over being a tool for people. Did you see Hawkeye? She never manages that because she gets snapped while trying to find another Widow. She comes back and finds out Natasha is dead, goes to her grave and is approached by Contessa.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Is Leto's Joker the worst Batman movie villain? I'd argue Leto's Joker isn't even a Batman movie villain. The only time they share a scene is in a dream in the Snyder Cut.
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Aphrodite posted:Did you see Hawkeye? She never manages that because she gets snapped while trying to find another Widow. bushisms.txt fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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The way the scene in Hawkeye frames it, Yelena is working for Val as a way to get back on her feet after the Blip. She might also be doing widow deprogramming missions on the side, or maybe they were almost done at the time the Blip happened so there's no need anymore.
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Arist posted:To be clear, I haven't seen the movie so this could be answered, but: why does Morbius even care about Spider-Man? It seems completely unmotivated. I have no idea how they wind up linking it but I guess technically people still think Spider-man killed Mysterio, they just don’t know he’s Peter Parker
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maybe they're gonna link it back to Garfield's spidey saying he stopped caring and got brutal. maybe he did kill Mysterio
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Arist posted:To be clear, I haven't seen the movie so this could be answered, but: why does Morbius even care about Spider-Man? It seems completely unmotivated. I'm sure it will involve a rainbow beam gun and the phrase "recombinant DNA".
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Lobok posted:I'm sure it will involve a rainbow beam gun and the phrase "recombinant DNA". sounds like a real neogenic nightmare
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Spider-Man has plasma. Do we need more of a motivation?
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1) I love this thread sometimes 2) Leto should have put those weird suckers on his palms that were always way scarier than getting bitten by vampire teeth
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Cartridgeblowers posted:2) Leto should have put those weird suckers on his palms that were always way scarier than getting bitten by vampire teeth I seem to remember Mighty Max having a similar censorship with a vampire woman having a lamprey mouth on the end of her elongated tongue. Like, what the gently caress?!
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Cartridgeblowers posted:1) I love this thread sometimes It would have been the greatest gross body horror ever in live action.
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Opopanax posted:I have no idea how they wind up linking it but I guess technically people still think Spider-man killed Mysterio, they just don’t know he’s Peter Parker That wouldn't have anything to do with it because the movie makes clear that it's not set in the MCU. Which of course just raises the question of why Tooms would even know of Morbius or why he'd care about the Spider-man of Morbius' world.
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bushisms.txt posted:I feel like the complaints about the Morbius end scene are inflated by fandom. No one cares that Black widow ends with Pugh's character already having an assassinations handler after the movie ended with her pledging to find the other brainwashed black widows with other white Widows. None of the mcu before infinity war actually connected either. Folks just upset Sony still got marvels toys that they think should be back "home." I watch the after credits like the "next time on arrested development" buttons. I feel like an assassin taking a job to go after the person she thinks killed her sister after a 5 year time skip isn't quite the same as a villain we haven't seen in two movies dimension hopping to a largely disconnected continuity to recruit a vampire he's never met to get revenge against a hero he was last shown not wanting revenge against and whom the vampire has also never met due to the whole separate dimension thing. And that's ignoring how he was hyped up in the trailers of this movie despite only appearing in the credits stinger.
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There's a reasonable argument that Toomes wants revenge, but doesn't want to let Gargan have it. Or that he didn't want revenge on some kid that saved his life and was friends with his daughter, but now he wants revenge on Spider-Man, whose identity he doesn't know.
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My stance on plot holes is firmly that anything the audience can reasonably rationalize away themselves in a single sentence doesn't count. Even still, the Morbius post-credits scene sounds completely insane and flies completely in the face of all established character logic, as well as just regular logic.
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theironjef posted:There's a reasonable argument that Toomes wants revenge, but doesn't want to let Gargan have it. Or that he didn't want revenge on some kid that saved his life and was friends with his daughter, but now he wants revenge on Spider-Man, whose identity he doesn't know. And that's fair. I only mention it because it becomes much stranger given where and how it's taking place.
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Yeah, I think that director did a disservice by just saying "Oh yeah, characters can now hop between the MCU and the Sony-verse" as if that's like a Vulture power. My guess is Sony is trying their hands at long-term villain crafting, and are setting up Morlun. A year or two ago I would have thought that was crazy and they'd just keep rebooting Green Goblin til time stops, but there's a Madame Web movie now, so presumably the grand diaspora of dumb spider dimension stuff is in play.
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I just feel like incorporating all the Sony stuff, past and present, into the MCU really muddies things up and makes me feel that burnout that other people complain about for MCU movies, where it starts to become homework instead of entertainment. I didn't feel that burnout before because I enjoyed almost everything in the MCU, but now you're asking me to watch Amazing Spider-Man and Venom and Morbius and I really, really don't want to do those things. I also don't really want the current direction of the MCU to be dictated by stuff that existed outside of the MCU because that just feels like it clashes with what I've enjoyed out of these movies up to this point. But that just means I might not be as invested now as I once was, and there's worse things than no longer being a fanboy for Disney properties.
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Jamesman posted:I just feel like incorporating all the Sony stuff, past and present, into the MCU really muddies things up and makes me feel that burnout that other people complain about for MCU movies, where it starts to become homework instead of entertainment. I didn't feel that burnout before because I enjoyed almost everything in the MCU, but now you're asking me to watch Amazing Spider-Man and Venom and Morbius and I really, really don't want to do those things. I mean, you really didn't need to have seen either the Raimi or Amazing films to enjoy No Way Home. That movie does a good job of introducing the older characters in a way that fills you in without getting in the way of the main plot. Sure, their are references for fans of those franchises to enjoy, but nothing vital to the plot. I imagine if Venom or Morbius ends up in the MCU, it will be similarly done, and even that seems like a big IF given the slap dash nature of the connective tissue thus far. I would assume if this was all set up for a future Tom Holland Spider-Man or other MCU film that the studio would be collaborating with Sony a lot more on these other films. So, save your time and only watch the movies you actually think you'll enjoy. I guarantee you won't miss anything important. Honestly, that goes for Sony and Disney films.
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Right, and they all got put away into their nice little box at the end of the movie.
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I dunno I kinda feel like you can technically see no way home without having seen any of the previous films in the same way you can technically watch infinity war/endgame without having seen any of the previous films. It gives you enough info to tell you what's going on, but the whole thing is definitely predicated on you having seen most everything e: that said i'm kinda skeptical of seeing silver sable or morbius or whatever the gently caress showing up in avengers 5. i'm guessing disney won't be keen on letting sony get their spidey universe mixed up in what the mcu is doing beyond spider-man himself site fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Mar 28, 2022 |
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You really don't need to watch all of the MCU. Those that do get extra reactions and tidbits out of it but otherwise, it's mostly stand-alone, these movies would not be that huge if they weren't.
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