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It does kinda have a bloodborne vibe to it? Lots of very grand buildings and very vertical. There weren't any locals yelling incoherently and shooting at me when I went but I didn't stay long or start poo poo with the transport cops at waverley station.
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I've always wanted my city as a playable map in an FPS, but Edinburgh would be much funner. It's a topologically-bizarre city and no matter how many times I've been it always feels surreal
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They do also do strange and enticing things with congealed blood up there.
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OwlFancier posted:Stirling is nicer, I quite liked stirling, as is pitlochry. It has a very nice dam and fish ladder. Oh and fort william seemed nice when I saw it very briefly. I haven't found Edinburgh to have that hostile feel to its architecture when I've been (although, thinking about it, a lot of the buildings are defensive in some way - they're either fortifications, warehouses to keep valuable stuff in or originally office/housing space built around courts in the middle of the block rather than outward to the street). It definitely has an MC Escher vibe, with the very vertical architecture, interlocking levels, bridges, stairs and the gridiron pattern in the New Town. I lived in Bristol for a few years so was used to cities where the 'ground' can suddenly vanish and you're now looking out over someone's rooftop. Other Scottish City opinions: I was very charmed by Dundee. Some nice Victorian buildings, a very pleasant botanical gardens and the Discovery museum, but by far and away one of the most spectacularly beautiful geographic settings for any city in the UK. The views over/up the Tay and the 270 degree backdrop of green mountains were amazing. Seems like there's loads of outdoorsy stuff to do nearby if you live there, too. I've been to Aberdeen twice. First time it was dark, grey and miserable weather. So was my mood and so was the city. The second time it was clear spring sunshine and the architecture was strikingly pretty. As well as the grey/silver sparkliness of the granite, it doesn't weather so even the Victorian buildings look pin sharp like they were built yesterday. It gives the place a weird uniformity of both appearance and age, like it's a movie set. That impression was heightened by it having a hugely impressive range of shops and services for such a small city - presumably all that oil money and large numbers of overseas visitors/workers (?) But coupled to the fact that all the buildings, be it an 1870s office or a 1990s bus station, seemed to be brand new it did make its character seem oddly inauthentic, like one of those fake cities they built for World's Fairs in the 1890s.
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It's probably more of a general city thing than specifically an edinburgh thing (verticality notwithstanding) I've just never been anywhere else with enough money in it to have lots of grand buildings. Or that many storeys consistently for that matter. If ever I went to london I might just die of some victorian nervous condition. Edinburgh is the largest population center I have ever been to. BalloonFish posted:like one of those fake cities they built for World's Fairs in the 1890s. Funny you mention those, I was watching Defunctland the other day and I got to thinking how nice a lot of those places looked, it seemed odd to me that they would go to all the fuss of building them and then just tear them down afterwards. Nowadays I would expect them to go like the millenium dome where they get reused for ages. I know some of them were and some of the exhibitions were taken apart and moved elsewhere but a lot of the really big setups seemed to just vanish. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Mar 27, 2022 |
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Mar 27, 2022 00:06
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drat, Edinburgh barely even counts as a city in terms of population
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OwlFancier posted:It's probably more of a general city thing than specifically an edinburgh thing (verticality notwithstanding) I'll send the fare to London to you if I can film your reaction when you come out of Canary Wharf station.
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OwlFancier posted:Edinburgh, being that it is a city that loving hates its inhabitants because the entire architectural scheme of the city center is "not for you, gently caress off" OwlFancier posted:I think that's why I quite like big bare concrete spaces, because the blankness of the concrete causes you to focus on smaller things, like plants that have taken root and how big blank walls affect the light. I like architecture when it's either on a personal scale or when it's on a scale where it interacts with natural effects. Places like Fountains Abbey where there is a lot of built structure but it feels almost like a frame for the effects of light and grass and trees around it, somehow. You'd probably like it a lot less if it were still operating, because Cistercian architecture was very much "not for you, gently caress off" as a sacred space not to be profaned by people wandering around looking at plants. Arguably a place that has become more usable through long disuse. I like the balance of columns and arches, but it's also strangely amusing that one of the foundational design principles was "twiddly bits and statues are distracting the brothers from prayer." Like a very different early precursor of the bad neoliberal "twiddly bits and public arts are distracting the workers from consuming." OwlFancier posted:They do also do strange and enticing things with congealed blood up there. 
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OwlFancier posted:And that is true of columned horrors too, it remains my abiding impression of Edinburgh, being that it is a city that loving hates its inhabitants because the entire architectural scheme of the city center is "not for you, gently caress off" this has been my general impression of the city centre of glasgow, and given the general decisions by the city council over the last few decades it's probably not wrong. at least edinburgh has a park in the centre, even if it spends most of its time as a lovely Underbelly market or a horrible mud plain for weeks after the market leaves also jesus christ i was hoping this was just some kind of hallucination from that time i listened to the podcast while recovering from a migraine but sadly they are still trying to build the thing https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/mar/26/plastic-t-rex-vs-rare-beetles-disney-on-thames-plan-london-devastate-wildlife quote:The park, called the London Resort, would be built on the Swanscombe peninsula on the Thames, near Gravesend, where it would cover land equivalent to 136 Wembley stadiums and would include themed rides, a water park, conference venues, hotels and a shopping centre.
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Potential location for the big marble resin cast Temple of Brexit then. The Graeco-Latin BoJo statue will stand in the midpoint of the shopping centre and piss in people's drinks.quote:One remaining group, Paramount Entertainment, is still linked to the project and is the focus of a campaign by local people who want it to quit as well.
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Angepain posted:this has been my general impression of the city centre of glasgow, and given the general decisions by the city council over the last few decades it's probably not wrong. at least edinburgh has a park in the centre, even if it spends most of its time as a lovely Underbelly market or a horrible mud plain for weeks after the market leaves Who are these morons who think that between Lakeside and Bluewater, there's space or demand for yet another loving shopping centre in the post-industrial wastelands of East way-past-Londonshire? And not just that, but conference centres in Graves-shitfuckingdead-end? There are already thousands of people who think that Newham is too far adrift from London to warrant putting any effort into attending; who could they possibly be trying to attract? The scale-skinned swamp people of northern Kent? It's truly loving magnificent that schemes like this can last more than 5 minutes without the highest-ranking official enthusiastically piledriving a "SCAM" red-ink stamp onto the front page several times and leaking the links to Russian/Chinese mobsters to whatever newspaper will take their calls. But the Tories are in charge, so 
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The real debate is between Natural England declaring 1,700 invertebrate species being endangered by the construction works and 5 of those invertebrate species being families of Conservative Monday Club members who will get a controlling interest.
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Edinburgh is alright, I like the bizarre layout with all the tiny lanes and sets of endless stairs. Admittedly I've never had to live there. Stirling has a much better castle though. They've done it up so the decoration is similar to how it actually was when people lived there (that's why it's partly yellow on the outside - castle were often painted rather the bare stone we typically see now), and it has actors/tour guides in period dress pretending to be inhabitants. And it's cheaper to get in.
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That budget seemed pretty bad. https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1507632921825456128 Also one of my cats, a rescue from Moscow who slept on my neck every night and only communicated in absurdly adorable squeaks had to suddenly be put down on thursday. I'm so unbelieveably sad I don't know what to loving do except curl up and cry repeatedly. I can't eat, I can't sleep and I'm just so loving done. I think I'm going to try to adopt a kitty in need from Ukraine if one needs a home. It's the only thing I can think of to try to turn it into something positive.
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It's a good thread, right up to the point where he says socialism is as bad as capitalism so lets immediately throw it out. Not even a 'perhaps we might entertain a move in a slightly more socialist direction,' no, all socialism is bad.
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Yeah you have this: https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1507634584896393219?t=vb2ZeC-3kXU422ihGZTG4w&s=19 And then further down thsame thread, you have this: https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1507636131378126849?t=5fnndQmjjzd36O7PUmn4RQ&s=19 And then this: https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1507636152047751169?t=E-q5-WE3RAltRShHxA_apA&s=19 He eventually adresses it in this subchain: https://twitter.com/JuneSim63/status/1507649849877057542?t=jHXBKaVpJ5nYZwkqlhDRpg&s=19 But yeah. Apart from 'dogma,' I'm not entirely sure what he thinks socialism is.
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He's trying to say we need to do socialism with private money. Which is as dumb as it sounds.
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Mebh posted:That budget seemed pretty bad. I’m really sorry about your cat. One of ours died almost two years ago and I still miss her
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I personally loved Edinburgh architecture...OwlFancier posted:Edinburgh is the largest population center I have ever been to. OK this makes more sense now.
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Edinburgh can be Escher-like, such as in its appearance in Fast & Furious 9.
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Angepain posted:this has been my general impression of the city centre of glasgow, and given the general decisions by the city council over the last few decades it's probably not wrong. at least edinburgh has a park in the centre, even if it spends most of its time as a lovely Underbelly market or a horrible mud plain for weeks after the market leaves Yes when me brother in law told me about how they just relocated all the poor people out of the city centre to these places with no services at all it sounded like the most depressing poo poo ever.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Priti Patel is one of those people you see videos just talking normally and she just seems nice, and then you read about literally any policy she's written or voted for and the act becomes so much more chilling. She always has a kind of smirking snarl whenever I see pictures of her, preparing to bite a baby's head off.
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Mebh posted:Also one of my cats, a rescue from Moscow who slept on my neck every night and only communicated in absurdly adorable squeaks had to suddenly be put down on thursday. I am so sorry Mebh. I hope that you get another cute cat soon.
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as far as i can work out socialism is all the bad things of capitalism
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Yeah his bizarre turn on socialism seems to be due to a large dislike of public ownership and that's... It? I mean yeah I guess in and of itself the tories nationalising a lot of poo poo might not be the best because they're a bunch of grifting shits. I do wonder if that's a more common thought amongst economists that its bad due to some reason or if he's just got a blind spot there. I'm feeling much better in the light of the day. Stupid ADHD meds giving depression when they wear off. Could do with an hours more sleep tho. Damned clocks! Here is a happy kitty on a heating pipe from last night 
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Mebh posted:Yeah his bizarre turn on socialism seems to be due to a large dislike of public ownership and that's... It? I mean yeah I guess in and of itself the tories nationalising a lot of poo poo might not be the best because they're a bunch of grifting shits. I do wonder if that's a more common thought amongst economists that its bad due to some reason or if he's just got a blind spot there. It's a more common thought among dogmatic ones and ones trying to compromise with thatcherites
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kingturnip posted:There are already thousands of people who think that Newham is too far adrift from London Oy  (but yes our transport links aren't great. Crossrail might change that maybe?  )
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Jeherrin posted:I refused to tell either the recruiter or my new employer what I was making. I tried this with my current employer. Then they told me what the usual range was for the role I was applying for and I was like 'ahaha no, I make $X in Cambridge and you're expecting me to move to London' and got an extra 5k on top of that. 
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Glasgow is a great city that's only going to get worse as the council keep on burning down the unprofitable parts with an aim to make it sterile and uninhabitable except for students with too much money.
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feedmegin posted:I tried this with my current employer. Then they told me what the usual range was for the role I was applying for and I was like 'ahaha no, I make $X in Cambridge and you're expecting me to move to London' and got an extra 5k on top of that. Christ I wish I could do that. My skills are all about dealing with people though, and it's hard danding money from people when that's all you have and no tech skills.
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Sorry to hear about cat, Mebh.Bobby Deluxe posted:But yeah. Apart from 'dogma,' I'm not entirely sure what he thinks socialism is. A dogmatic is a $2000 sex toy purchased by Ian Austin.
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As in Maslows hierarchy of needs?
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Yes. https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1507634574666473473 https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1507636137170452481 It looks about right when you look at how people in western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic (WEIRD) societies act during good times, and like to think that they'd act elsewise, but then you end up making some really chauvinist/racist/stupid conclusions trying to get it to fit to actual reality in the global south or anywhere during a crisis.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:It's a good thread, right up to the point where he says socialism is as bad as capitalism so lets immediately throw it out. Not even a 'perhaps we might entertain a move in a slightly more socialist direction,' no, all socialism is bad. They believe the 1970s wage cost-price spiral story as well so they've basically snookered themselves in terms of policy and activism. Liberal analysis like this might get the particular numbers right and may even arrive at a technically proficient proposal for a remedy but they never identify or identify with a real force able to counter the doom they see coming. Near the end he is proposing tackling the problem with focused taxation and industrial policy - good, might work, could happen in the end but the people who like capitalism won't like that and the people who dislike capitalism will want more to happen. So it becomes a massive twitter thread, maybe a policy paper if they have a NGO connection and then go no further.
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Most of them object to it from a distance and view it as an opportunity to confirm their understanding of the world, rather than actually needing a solution.
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