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psydude posted:We're funneling tens of thousands of anti tank and anti-aircraft weapons to a country that's laying waste to his military and have almost completely gutted their economy through the most aggressive sanctions applied to any county since World War II But hang on, let's not rush to conclusions about ousting Putin! Imagine if Roosevelt had said something about that Hitler fellow! Why who knows what the madman would have done then?
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Mar 27, 2022 17:45
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psydude posted:We're funneling tens of thousands of anti tank and anti-aircraft weapons to a country that's laying waste to his military and have almost completely gutted their economy through the most aggressive sanctions applied to any county since World War II But hang on, let's not rush to conclusions about ousting Putin! The issue I have with that is that al of those anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons are currently on the Ukrainian side of the border and being used in a defensive context, and the sanctions are meant to punish and compel a change in Russian decisionmaking. Outright talking about regime change plays into Russian propaganda and their leadership's seemingly increasing paranoia. What if they cite those remarks as a pretext for hitting an arms depot in Poland and claiming it was being used to transfer weapons for an attack on Russian territory itself? That being said, I'd be glad to see Putin's legacy be a rusty stain on the floor and certainly don't have a problem if there's some SAP meant to pressure his inner circle into helping him out of a 7th floor window, but c'mon, don't say the quiet part out loud.
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Mar 27, 2022 17:57
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End of day Biden could read out the GOP platform and say he was making effective immediately and would still be called a communist.
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Mar 27, 2022 18:03
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pantslesswithwolves posted:The issue I have with that is that al of those anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons are currently on the Ukrainian side of the border and being used in a defensive context, and the sanctions are meant to punish and compel a change in Russian decisionmaking. Outright talking about regime change plays into Russian propaganda and their leadership's seemingly increasing paranoia. What if they cite those remarks as a pretext for hitting an arms depot in Poland and claiming it was being used to transfer weapons for an attack on Russian territory itself? Then that’s an attack on Poland and war were declared.
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Mar 27, 2022 18:26
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This whole war is straight-up distilled Tom Clancy. I wouldn't be surprised if, and am hoping that, Putin "suddenly" dies of a heart attack or shoots himself in the back of the head twice, and more rational minds come into power.
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Mar 27, 2022 18:41
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Cugel the Clever posted:And it's not like sticking to vague, tepid statements would do anything to meaningfully stymy authoritarian propaganda. Whether it's contemporary American conservatism or RT, they will actively invent complete nonsense to bolster their support—and huge swathes of stupid fuckers will fall for it. Better to take an explicit stand with a rallying message than to keep up the noncommittal "well, president Putin's actions aren't great, I guess". The problem isn't that it's a gaffe for propaganda reasons, the problem is that the President sets US foreign policy and Biden's statement signaled an unplanned change in that policy. Up to that point, the stated reason for the sanctions, diplomatic isolation, etc was to end the invasion of Ukraine - that is Russia could still undo these things by getting its troops back in its borders. Of course it isn't that simple and however this war ends the rest of the world is going to be dealing with Russia differently for a long time. But what Biden in effect said yesterday was that the US policy goal was now regime change. This does not give Russia a position to back down to, which is part of why diplomats immediately started walking back the statement. Republicans and other assorted idiots are going to call Biden incompetent no matter what he does, that's not the point.
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Mar 27, 2022 18:41
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Jimmy Smuts posted:This whole war is straight-up distilled Tom Clancy. I wouldn't be surprised if, and am hoping that, Putin "suddenly" dies of a heart attack or shoots himself in the back of the head twice, and more rational minds come into power. There aren't any more "rational minds" in Russia, simply more practical ones. A "nice guy" can't and won't follow Putin. There'll be a body count when he dies by successors vying for the rusted iron throne.
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Mar 27, 2022 18:45
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MedCram did a vid on thermobaric weapons, specifically from a medical perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwScTlCf5IQ
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Mar 27, 2022 18:48
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:The problem isn't that it's a gaffe for propaganda reasons, the problem is that the President sets US foreign policy and Biden's statement signaled an unplanned change in that policy. Up to that point, the stated reason for the sanctions, diplomatic isolation, etc was to end the invasion of Ukraine - that is Russia could still undo these things by getting its troops back in its borders. Of course it isn't that simple and however this war ends the rest of the world is going to be dealing with Russia differently for a long time. But what Biden in effect said yesterday was that the US policy goal was now regime change. This does not give Russia a position to back down to, which is part of why diplomats immediately started walking back the statement. Lol Russia can stop the invasion any time they want. They most certainly can back down.
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Mar 27, 2022 18:59
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I understand everyone want's to get rid of Putin, but it's not the responsibility of US to facilitate that, they haven't had good enough track record on such projects. Maybe they haven't had enough non-selfish reasons while doing them. What I want is the Russian people to do that choice by themselves, or I might just settle for the Russian oligarchs. In similar vein, there have been arguments for west to have more direct involvement in the war. But frankly, for somewhat selfish reasons, I wish for the Ukrainians to beat Russia by their own power as much as possible. I think it would send Russia a much more powerful lesson about their incompetence, inadequacy and weakness. I feel sorry for the increased suffering this would cause for Ukrainian troops and civilians, but as a member of another Russian neighbour I guess that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
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Mar 27, 2022 19:01
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Crab Dad posted:Lol Russia can stop the invasion any time they want. They most certainly can back down. Before, they could back down and presumably sanctions would be wound down. Biden's statement yesterday implies that only regime change would be acceptable for the US. That changes the decision making process on Russia's end - that is why the statement was immediately "clarified".
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Mar 27, 2022 19:04
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pantslesswithwolves posted:The issue I have with that is that al of those anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons are currently on the Ukrainian side of the border and being used in a defensive context, and the sanctions are meant to punish and compel a change in Russian decisionmaking. Outright talking about regime change plays into Russian propaganda and their leadership's seemingly increasing paranoia. What if they cite those remarks as a pretext for hitting an arms depot in Poland and claiming it was being used to transfer weapons for an attack on Russian territory itself? While Macron continues to have this diplomatic fantasy, the reality is that if Putin didn't care about the consequences to begin with (and he knew what they would be), then there's nothing that's going to get him to stop short of a threat on his actual life. He's in so deep at this point that he's already created a zero-sum scenario for himself whereby failure is not an option. Their propaganda machine had already convinced everyone who would listen that NATO was propping up a Nazi regime in Ukraine, so it's not like Biden saying what everyone is thinking out loud is going to change anyone's opinion one way or another, anyway. What will change people's opinions is being unable to buy basic goods, which they already can't. And Russia is struggling to replace its PGM stockpiles because it can't get its hands on electronics. The sanctions were designed to cripple popular support at home, while simultaneously pulling the rug out from underneath their MIC. Now, just to be clear - I'm not arguing for US military intervention. I'm just saying that there was never an offramp that the West could offer, because the only thing Putin wants is to completely subjugate his neighbor, and his entire personality cult is built around how brilliant of a leader he is. The latest movement of the goalposts is simply Russia trying to play into this narrative further by pointing to what little success they've had thus far in taking and holding real estate. Saukkis posted:I understand everyone want's to get rid of Putin, but it's not the responsibility of US to facilitate that, they haven't had good enough track record on such projects. Maybe they haven't had enough non-selfish reasons while doing them. What I want is the Russian people to do that choice by themselves, or I might just settle for the Russian oligarchs. I don't disagree with you. And as the Russian Foreign Ministry unironically said on Twitter, it's up to the people of Russia to remove Putin. psydude fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Mar 27, 2022 |
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Mar 27, 2022 19:06
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Murgos posted:Person, man, woman, camera, TV. That Works posted:Maybe giving the reigns of power to people with questionable cognitive abilities is bad. Biden isn't going to be our last Baby Boomer president. Have fun with that knowledge! edit: I'd also like to point out that more than a few of the voices clutching their pearls over Biden's comment and shrieking "WW3!!" were also openly hoping for a Civil War here in the US. gently caress em. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Mar 27, 2022 |
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Mar 27, 2022 19:20
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Actually Biden isn't a boomer, he's even older! 
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Mar 27, 2022 19:25
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A.o.D. posted:Biden isn't going to be our last Baby Boomer president. Have fun with that knowledge! Even a baby boomer president would be a step up, Biden is the silent generation (pre-baby boom).
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Mar 27, 2022 19:25
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maffew buildings posted:Actually Biden isn't a boomer, he's even older! 1946-1964 So I guess yeah. Don't tell me Trump wasn't a boomer though. Dodging the Vietnam War draft was a core boomer activity.
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Mar 27, 2022 19:26
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A.o.D. posted:Biden isn't going to be our last Baby Boomer president. Have fun with that knowledge! Biden is a silent. He was born in '42. E: beaten like a sore dick
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Even a baby boomer president would be a step up, Biden is the silent generation (pre-baby boom). Would it really be a step up? We've already had 4 boomer presidents.
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Mar 27, 2022 19:32
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Purely from an age perspective is what I meant, I guess "step up" isn't really a good way of putting it.
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Mar 27, 2022 19:34
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A.o.D. posted:Would it really be a step up? We've already had 4 boomer presidents. Clinton, Obama, Trump and who else?
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Mar 27, 2022 19:46
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Bush Sr? Oh lmao not even close
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Mar 27, 2022 19:47
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FrozenVent posted:Clinton, Obama, Trump and who else? Bush Jr.
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Christ I completely forgot about that dude.
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28 straight years of boomer presidents. I expect at least 8-16 more after Biden.
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Mar 27, 2022 19:54
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A.o.D. posted:28 straight years of boomer presidents. I expect at least 8-16 more after Biden. There will be no gen-x president. We will get ignored and it will go right from Boomer to a Millennial
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Cimber posted:There will be no gen-x president. We will get ignored and it will go right from Boomer to a Millennial DeSantis is genx...
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FrozenVent posted:Christ I completely forgot about that dude. The RNC has done its job well.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:The problem isn't that it's a gaffe for propaganda reasons, the problem is that the President sets US foreign policy and Biden's statement signaled an unplanned change in that policy. Up to that point, the stated reason for the sanctions, diplomatic isolation, etc was to end the invasion of Ukraine - that is Russia could still undo these things by getting its troops back in its borders. Of course it isn't that simple and however this war ends the rest of the world is going to be dealing with Russia differently for a long time. But what Biden in effect said yesterday was that the US policy goal was now regime change. This does not give Russia a position to back down to, which is part of why diplomats immediately started walking back the statement. Always better to start from a big ask and negotiate down then asking for little and getting nothing. "Maybe we'll lift these sanctions if you fully withdraw, maybe we'll lift them if you replace putin and fully withdraw." Let their ruling class figure out how they want to proceed. Don't start from a position of wheedling fear
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Cimber posted:There will be no gen-x president. We will get ignored and it will go right from Boomer to a Millennial Given that Gen X is most prominently represented by Ted Cruz and Ryan DeSantis, this is probably a good thing. Fake edit: And Kamala Harris, but the Dems have basically abandoned her already. Next most famous Gen X Democratic politician would probably be Beto, or maybe Corey Booker.
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Mr. Nice! posted:DeSantis is genx... Okay so maybe they deserve to get skipped.
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Saukkis posted:I understand everyone want's to get rid of Putin, but it's not the responsibility of US to facilitate that, they haven't had good enough track record on such projects. Maybe they haven't had enough non-selfish reasons while doing them. What I want is the Russian people to do that choice by themselves, or I might just settle for the Russian oligarchs. AreWeDrunkYet posted:Before, they could back down and presumably sanctions would be wound down. Biden's statement yesterday implies that only regime change would be acceptable for the US. That changes the decision making process on Russia's end - that is why the statement was immediately "clarified".
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Before, they could back down and presumably sanctions would be wound down. Biden's statement yesterday implies that only regime change would be acceptable for the US. That changes the decision making process on Russia's end - that is why the statement was immediately "clarified". No he did not say, “Only regime change is acceptable to the US”. This is a horrible bad faith interpretation of his statement. Murgos fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 27, 2022 |
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FrozenVent posted:Clinton, Obama, Trump and who else? 
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"Please Counter Attack."
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1508155336359923723 I can't be certain, but that looks like an unscoped mosin. How the gently caress is this happening? The AK family of assault rifles is the most mass produced weapon in human history. Nothing was made more than them. Why even bother arming someone on a modern battlefield if the best you can give them is a bolt action garbage rod. Jesus, it's not even an m44. Just a straight up 91/30. edit: It makes me wonder if my M44 was robbed out of a Russian warehouse and wasn't actual surplus. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Mar 27, 2022 |
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I wonder if they were issued a rusted through AK and brought the mosin from home or something along those lines? That’s the only way this makes sense.
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A.o.D. posted:edit: It makes me wonder if my M44 was robbed out of a Russian warehouse and wasn't actual surplus. You know the answer already but... The friendly local MilSurp store posted:Army surplus is sometimes available from dead or undead regimes, like the DDR or the Soviet Union. The Soviet stuff is usually "surplus", meaning it's either from some ex-ComBloc warehouse, or purchased in Russia from an army base quartermaster with loose morale, by a person who knows someone, who knows someone. The Russian army never officially sells any of its property. Thanks for helping, comrade! 
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:You know the answer already but... There's the possibility that it could be legit surplus that came from a former SSR or Eastern European warehouse. I really hope it got looted from a Russian one, though.
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