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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Yes I agree 100% my earlier post about preferring my car is not to say I enjoy using a car, I would love to not need one, but I only use it because the lack of social safety net in the US causes issues on transit that are not as prominent in other countries

I took transit in netherlands, denmark, spain, portugal, france, belgium, italy, austria, the UK, and scotland, and I never had an issue. I think in lisbon there was someone on one of the subways that was being belligerent but a bunch of other people immediately yelled at him and he stopped

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Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


vyelkin posted:


The root problem is underinvestment in all social services, which leads to those services that do exist being overused by people who should really be cared for by something else.

there's a cool book about the pilot project for this strategy, written by some guy

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

mystes posted:

(Taps thread title)

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

vyelkin posted:

I have had unpleasant experiences on public transit in the US but all of them (that I can remember offhand, anyway) can be attributed to the lack of additional services for mentally ill people rather than public transit itself being bad

I've had far more unpleasant experiences on the road than I have on public transit, plus the experiences themselves are a little different. never once have I been genuinely terrified of dying on a metro car vs multiple times a year nearly getting obliterated by a Ford Penis Compensator or a teenager texting while playing Fortnite on the center console

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


vyelkin posted:

I mean you see the same problem with overpolicing. Basically the only public service a lot of parts of the US put any money into at all is policing, so the police are used as a hammer to beat down every social problem that looks like a nail. Firefighters have to hold community fundraisers to meet their budget while police roll around in tanks beating the poo poo out of homeless people. Similarly, public transit gets poo poo on, sometimes literally, because for a lot of desperate people it's the only place they can go to get warm and out of the elements.

The root problem is underinvestment in all social services, which leads to those services that do exist being overused by people who should really be cared for by something else.

It's not like Canada or Europe are socialist utopias, and they too have suffered from austerity and neoliberalism, but my anecdotal evidence is that the slightly higher basic level of service provision also leads to substantially more comfortable and widely-used public transit.

It's not the only reason someone might need help, and they way they deal with his might not be always great, but it's noticeable how much rarer it is to see someone in public having an acute mental health crisis in the uk and europe than some large, "progressive" us cities

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Mayor Dave posted:

I've had far more unpleasant experiences on the road than I have on public transit, plus the experiences themselves are a little different. never once have I been genuinely terrified of dying on a metro car vs multiple times a year nearly getting obliterated by a Ford Penis Compensator or a teenager texting while playing Fortnite on the center console

yeah I mean this is while I do drive, I drive a very tiny amount

I think the average motorist in the US drives between 13-15K miles/year. So I drive about 1/14th of that lol

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Mayor Dave posted:

I've had far more unpleasant experiences on the road than I have on public transit, plus the experiences themselves are a little different. never once have I been genuinely terrified of dying on a metro car vs multiple times a year nearly getting obliterated by a Ford Penis Compensator or a teenager texting while playing Fortnite on the center console

There was only one time I can recall being legitimately afraid for my safety on public transit and that was on a nearly empty bus where someone at the back was very loudly yelling about the detailed ways he was going to murder people. I have also been afraid for my safety in cars in North America, but it's a different kind of fear.

Anyway I still hate cars and always use public transit despite having had some bad experiences with it. It remains the superior choice even though it would be even more superior when placed in the context of a society that not only invests more in public transit, but also in social well-being.

Electro-Boogie Jack
Nov 22, 2006
bagger mcguirk sent me.

https://twitter.com/GasBuddyGuy/status/1508451501651415044

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

Imagine what it's like for the confused carbrains who choose these things. Like a snake shopping for shoes.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

https://twitter.com/Imposter_Edits/status/1508497886010613761?s=20&t=pjch2rDLuEfOW1iE-u9QeQ

mystes
May 31, 2006

These people need to get way the gently caress further away from the road or they're going to die

Also if this is what happens when there's a sudden snow at the end of March I can't wait to see what happens when the climate gets even more hosed up

mystes has issued a correction as of 19:28 on Mar 28, 2022

Jokerpilled Drudge
Jan 27, 2010

by Pragmatica
wow whiteout conditions? better go for a 70 mph drive to walmart

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

wow whiteout conditions? better go for a 70 mph drive to walmart

don't worry, I grew up in the north, i know how to drive in the snow

*doesn't adjust speed to conditions, doesn't start braking earlier, doesn't leave any extra room between themself and the car in front of them*

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

emptyquote my posts or die

at least 5 people dead because drivers won't slow the gently caress down

https://twitter.com/MCatrillo/status/1508512984909422601

mystes
May 31, 2006

Polo-Rican posted:

at least 5 people dead because drivers won't slow the gently caress down

https://twitter.com/MCatrillo/status/1508512984909422601
If they took public transit they might have had to see a homeless person though

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003


aren't those trucks on a fire a huge explosion risk or is that just in movies

Boywhiz88
Sep 11, 2005

floating 26" off da ground. BURR!

actionjackson posted:

Yes I agree 100% my earlier post about preferring my car is not to say I enjoy using a car, I would love to not need one, but I only use it because the lack of social safety net in the US causes issues on transit that are not as prominent in other countries

I took transit in netherlands, denmark, spain, portugal, france, belgium, italy, austria, the UK, and scotland, and I never had an issue. I think in lisbon there was someone on one of the subways that was being belligerent but a bunch of other people immediately yelled at him and he stopped

Same transit system as actionjackson, and I have to admit that despite previously being a daily rider prior to getting a car for work, I’m still hesitant to get on the light rail. It’s really not just right wing rags/Twitter accounts. But my friend who is much smaller than me has no issues, though she’s had some negative experiences for sure.

Like aj said it’s a catch-22. But ya know what, I’ll give it a try sooner than not. At least I’ve been paying for my transit pass so they’re getting my money anyway.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

actionjackson posted:

aren't those trucks on a fire a huge explosion risk or is that just in movies

trucks are actually at their safest when they're on fire.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

don't worry, I grew up in the north, i know how to drive in the snow

*doesn't adjust speed to conditions, doesn't start braking earlier, doesn't leave any extra room between themself and the car in front of them*

this isnt just a problem with snow. i grew up in miami, and no one but me seemed to grasp that you should slow down when it starts raining.

it rains with some frequency in miami. no one was unfamiliar with it.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Doc Hawkins posted:

this isnt just a problem with snow. i grew up in miami, and no one but me seemed to grasp that you should slow down when it starts raining.

it rains with some frequency in miami. no one was unfamiliar with it.

I think some of it stems from the fact that once you are licensed to drive it takes quite a bit of loving up to lose that license, but it's not like anyone is every periodically re-tested on how to operate these loving machines. as result, driving becomes like a binary skill - you can do it or you can't, and if anyone is a 'bad driver' that's just how God made em and they can't help it!

you have to banish the thought that operating the machine is a skill that can be improved because it's not a skill - it's muscle memory, background noise, something to tune out while you're thinking of what to have for dinner until the car in front of you is slamming on their brakes and then WOOPS

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


oh yeah, one time i was turning right to a freeway on ramp, and i glanced to the car that had turned left onto the same onramp, parallel and keeping pace to me, and saw that it was slowly spinning like a top. so i turned my gaze forward and gingerly accelerated just a tad to make sure i got away from whatever the gently caress was going to happen to them before our lanes merged.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Boywhiz88 posted:

Same transit system as actionjackson, and I have to admit that despite previously being a daily rider prior to getting a car for work, I’m still hesitant to get on the light rail. It’s really not just right wing rags/Twitter accounts. But my friend who is much smaller than me has no issues, though she’s had some negative experiences for sure.

Like aj said it’s a catch-22. But ya know what, I’ll give it a try sooner than not. At least I’ve been paying for my transit pass so they’re getting my money anyway.

well there's the other issue that the transit system here is still pretty terrible unless you are traveling to and from very specific areas, like either downtown, uptown etc.

I'm sure i've posted the transit options for visiting my parents - it's ten minutes by car (280-36-snelling), or this

get on the 67 on franklin, 13 min/20 stops
later, get off the 67 and transfer to the A line, which takes you to the mall
then transfer to ANOTHER bus
then get off that and walk 1/2 mile

estimated time over an hour lol

and that's leaving now, if I wanted to leave in the evening, or anytime on weekends, that third bus doesn't exist, so I would have to walk 1.6 miles

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Doc Hawkins posted:

this isnt just a problem with snow. i grew up in miami, and no one but me seemed to grasp that you should slow down when it starts raining.

it rains with some frequency in miami. no one was unfamiliar with it.

Seattle is the exact same way.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate



"I need to get the gently caress off the road!" is the smartest thing that went through the head of anyone in this video and it took a full minute into the video to arrive at that conclusion lol

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Surprised Pikachu.jpg

God Hole
Mar 2, 2016


1:57

"why the gently caress was I even driving?"

something I ask myself every day I get behind the wheel

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

Gripweed posted:

trucks are actually at their safest when they're on fire.

:hmmyes: a truck that’s one fire isn’t going to try to run me over

Cat Puke
Apr 15, 2017
That guy at 0:40 is impossibly lucky. Holy poo poo.

Dog Case
Oct 7, 2003

Heeelp meee... prevent wildfires

Clark Nova posted:

:hmmyes: a truck that’s one fire isn’t going to try to run me over

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



vyelkin posted:

I have had unpleasant experiences on public transit in the US but all of them (that I can remember offhand, anyway) can be attributed to the lack of additional services for mentally ill people rather than public transit itself being bad

https://i.imgur.com/La0BWHq.mp4

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Jokerpilled Drudge posted:

wow whiteout conditions? better go for a 70 mph drive to walmart

It's unfathomable that I drive a reasonable speed for the weather

cool av
Mar 2, 2013

Milo and POTUS posted:

It's unfathomable that I drive a reasonable speed for the weather

if you drive less than 70 in a whiteout, the guy behind you going 70 is going to hit you. please be more responsible.

mystes
May 31, 2006

Milo and POTUS posted:

It's unfathomable that I drive a reasonable speed for the weather
As everyone knows, it is not permitted to drive below the speed limit under any circumstances.

802.11weed
May 9, 2007

no
i failed a driving exam for driving under the speed limit during a snowstorm lol there was 6 inches of snow everywhere

Cat Puke
Apr 15, 2017

cool av posted:

if you drive less than 70 in a whiteout, the guy behind you going 70 is going to hit you. please be more responsible.

Exactly this. Roads are a high stakes fluid simulation, therefore everyone must drive as fast as the most foolish potential driver.

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

mystes posted:

These people need to get way the gently caress further away from the road or they're going to die

Also if this is what happens when there's a sudden snow at the end of March I can't wait to see what happens when the climate gets even more hosed up

5 people did die in that video.

e: that'll teach me to refresh. (no. no it won't. my calcified brain will never hit f5 before replying to a thread)

i just don't get what the actual gently caress was going through their minds right before the windshield did. just straight up incomprehensible to me and I'm from NY and I've driven in lovely weather up there.

Harik has issued a correction as of 09:57 on Mar 29, 2022

Minera
Sep 26, 2007

All your friends and foes,
they thought they knew ya,
but look who's in your heart now.
at least they were probably killed relatively fast by crushing forces, and hopefully didnt slowly bleed out or suffocate from fires or fumes in the crashes. but either way thats a much better fate than *checks notes* getting sweaty on a bicycle or smelling pee on a bus

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Harik posted:

i just don't get what the actual gently caress was going through their minds right before the windshield did. just straight up incomprehensible to me and I'm from NY and I've driven in lovely weather up there.

gotta go fast, cant let rubes get the one up on me and beat me to walmart 5 seconds sooner.

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

"It's icy and I can't see. Better drive full speed and hope for the best."

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Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Cat Puke posted:

Exactly this. Roads are a high stakes fluid simulation, therefore everyone must drive as fast as the most foolish potential driver.

Screaming fluid dynamics at the top of my lungs as I plow over a gramma in a rascal scooter crossing the road

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