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Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die; Nap Ghost

jeez, what a pane

# ? Mar 29, 2022 00:42

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# ? May 28, 2024 22:06

Bloody Hedgehog: Dec 12, 2003; 💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something

Shutup you buttholes.

Glass.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 00:46

wesleywillis: Dec 30, 2016; SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!

I'm shattered that you don't like these glass puns.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 00:47

binge crotching: Apr 2, 2010

Traxis posted:

https://twitter.com/JoeHoldenCBS3/status/1508483965711224838

Guy at 0:40 almost got pasted

So many people driving way too goddamn fast for 0 visibility in the snow.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 00:48

mom and dad fight a lot: Sep 21, 2006; If you count them all, this sentence has exactly seventy-two characters.

wesleywillis posted:

I'm shattered that you don't like these glass puns.

He really needs to watch his temper.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 00:53

armchairyoda: Sep 17, 2008; Melman

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Shutup you buttholes.

Glass.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 01:04

MRC48B: Apr 2, 2012

binge crotching posted:

So many people driving way too goddamn fast for 0 visibility in the snow.

"If I stop I might get stuck!" :hurr:

# ? Mar 29, 2022 01:29

Unperson_47: Oct 14, 2007

How many of those drivers are thinking "If I slow down, the moron flooring it behind me in 5 feet of visibility will slam into me, so to avoid that I better become that moron too"?

Unperson_47 fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Mar 29, 2022

# ? Mar 29, 2022 02:27

ChesterJT: Dec 28, 2003; Mounty Pumper's Flying Circus

Gripweed posted:

https://twitter.com/JohnCoviello1/status/1508540236879613960?t=yKB3xbnw6e78MnKi7itu3A&s=19

https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7077081853659729153

# ? Mar 29, 2022 02:56

Zero One: Dec 30, 2004; HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

On the Orlando drop tower accident, the operations manual was released today. The weight limit of the ride is 286 lbs. As reported in the press, the victim weighed 340 lbs.

The operation manual is available here: https://static.fox35orlando.com/www.fox35orlando.com/content/uploads/2022/03/Orlando-Freefall-2021-with-Tiltseats.pdf

There are no seatbelts (more on that later) but each seat does have an open/closed sensor and it won't run if they are not all closed.

So who makes the call of a guest is too big to ride? The manual only says that the operators make a judgment call on if they fit. Nothing is said about the sensors being a guide to prohibiting a guest from riding. To me this is pretty bad as its not clear if the sensors make the final call on the restraints being closed enough or if it's a ride op's call and the sensors can still be "closed" if a guest is too large to be safe.

There is also a letter from the manufacturer to someone (state regulators?) saying that it doesn't need seatbelts.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 04:34

Cojawfee: May 31, 2006; I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

It was a 14 year old who weight 340 pounds?

# ? Mar 29, 2022 04:40

Zero One: Dec 30, 2004; HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

Cojawfee posted:

It was a 14 year old who weight 340 pounds?

Yes.
And 6�5�.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 05:01

GD_American: Jul 21, 2004; LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

Cojawfee posted:

It was a 14 year old who weight 340 pounds?

Division I football prospect, unsurprisingly enough.

His father found out about it after seeing the video on social media.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 07:08

Goon Boots: Feb 2, 2020

Traxis posted:

https://twitter.com/JoeHoldenCBS3/status/1508483965711224838

Guy at 0:40 almost got pasted

*to the tune of wipe out*

HAHAHAA WHIIITE OUUUT

serious question tho, how do insurance companies handle big fuckups like this

just take it as a loss since determining who's at fault is moot?

# ? Mar 29, 2022 07:15

Karate Bastard: Jul 31, 2007; Soiled Meat

FUNTIME

# ? Mar 29, 2022 08:47

CADPAT: Jul 23, 2004; For the men
to my left and right!

�Should not have been driving in dangerous conditions, driver at fault.�

Alternative: declare bankruptcy and open another insurance company?

# ? Mar 29, 2022 08:49

LawfulWaffle: Mar 11, 2014; Well, that aligns with the vibes I was getting. Which was, like, "normal" kinda vibes.

GD_American posted:

Division I football prospect, unsurprisingly enough.

His father found out about it after seeing the video on social media.

Jesus, that�s devastating. Poor family.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 13:49

LvK: Feb 27, 2006; FIVE STARS!!

welp, and I guess now I have context for when I was trying to pull up that "Teenager who just woke up" skit/image on my phone and google's search results were all "teenager falling to death."

thanks, phones!

# ? Mar 29, 2022 13:56

Zerg Mans: Oct 19, 2006

Zero One posted:

On the Orlando drop tower accident, the operations manual was released today. The weight limit of the ride is 286 lbs. As reported in the press, the victim weighed 340 lbs.

The operation manual is available here: https://static.fox35orlando.com/www.fox35orlando.com/content/uploads/2022/03/Orlando-Freefall-2021-with-Tiltseats.pdf

There are no seatbelts (more on that later) but each seat does have an open/closed sensor and it won't run if they are not all closed.

So who makes the call of a guest is too big to ride? The manual only says that the operators make a judgment call on if they fit. Nothing is said about the sensors being a guide to prohibiting a guest from riding. To me this is pretty bad as its not clear if the sensors make the final call on the restraints being closed enough or if it's a ride op's call and the sensors can still be "closed" if a guest is too large to be safe.

There is also a letter from the manufacturer to someone (state regulators?) saying that it doesn't need seatbelts.

please work out

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

# ? Mar 29, 2022 14:33

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die; Nap Ghost

Zerg Mans posted:

please work out

i think division 1 football prospects probably work out more than most people here

i would say instead 'don't go on a ride where you are way over the weight limit'

# ? Mar 29, 2022 14:57

Wingnut Ninja: Jan 11, 2003; Mostly Harmless

Goon Boots posted:

*to the tune of wipe out*

HAHAHAA WHIIITE OUUUT

serious question tho, how do insurance companies handle big fuckups like this

just take it as a loss since determining who's at fault is moot?

There are actually insurance companies that insure insurance companies against huge losses.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 15:01

Bad Munki: Nov 4, 2008; We're all mad here.

It�s insurance companies, all the way down!

# ? Mar 29, 2022 15:02

Uthor: Jul 9, 2006; Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Zero One posted:

On the Orlando drop tower accident, the operations manual was released today. The weight limit of the ride is 286 lbs. As reported in the press, the victim weighed 340 lbs.

I haven't done a lot with weight limits as an engineer (and none for the weight of people, just material being worked on), but the limit I list is always lower than the actual limit to take into account of someone ignoring it. Depending on what I'm working on and what the actual danger is, I'd probably do a minimum of 10% extra. If it was a person who could die, I'd probably start at being 50% stronger, aim for around 100%, just to be sure no one died.

The kid who died was only 18% above the limit...

I'll give them the benefit of doubt of it being a ride where the extra weight of providing the strength could have been an issue with the ride working.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 16:31

wiegieman: Apr 22, 2010; Royalty is a continuous cutting motion

Safety factors are an important part of design work. For life-threatening failures, they tend towards 6. That means you list a 100 lb limit, and build it to take 600 lbs.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 16:36

Uthor: Jul 9, 2006; Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

wiegieman posted:

Safety factors are an important part of design work. For life-threatening failures, they tend towards 6. That means you list a 100 lb limit, and build it to take 600 lbs.

Honestly, sounds more accurate than what I wrote. +10% is so small of a number, holding a little thing in a small clamp with no danger would still be at least +50%, even just to allow the system to lose strength if it wasn't taken care of over time (ie, used in a factory where maintenance = lose of money).

Edit: I don't work on things that can kill people, to be clear! I'm not an expert on that.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 16:50

Invalid Validation: Jan 13, 2008

It probably wasn�t the weight but rather the actual size not being able to close it correctly.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 16:52

Zero One: Dec 30, 2004; HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

Uthor posted:

I haven't done a lot with weight limits as an engineer (and none for the weight of people, just material being worked on), but the limit I list is always lower than the actual limit to take into account of someone ignoring it. Depending on what I'm working on and what the actual danger is, I'd probably do a minimum of 10% extra. If it was a person who could die, I'd probably start at being 50% stronger, aim for around 100%, just to be sure no one died.

The kid who died was only 18% above the limit...

I'll give them the benefit of doubt of it being a ride where the extra weight of providing the strength could have been an issue with the ride working.

It's just speculation but so far no one is suggesting mechanical failure like the seat couldnt support his weight.

It seems like the restraint was not able to correctly hold someone of his size and the G forces pulled him out through the gap between the seat and the restraint.

Not unlike the non-fatal accident on Superman: Ride of Steel 20 years ago.

Zero One fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Mar 29, 2022

# ? Mar 29, 2022 16:54

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

You usually don't have large people fall through restraint gaps though. But maybe there's something specific to these that makes it so that the comfortable feeling lock for a large person is also one that can let them slip out.

Really need them to confirm the lock status of the restraint after the ride to answer it simply though. We know it positively locked at the start of the ride due to interlocks. If it was locked at the end, it's a pulled out situation, possibly with the locking mechanism loosening under load but still. If it's unlocked or visibly opened by the end it's a failure under load.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 17:29

buttcrackmenace: Nov 14, 2007; see its right there in the manual where it says; Grimey Drawer

Zero One posted:

On the Orlando drop tower accident, the operations manual was released today. The weight limit of the ride is 286 lbs. As reported in the press, the victim weighed 340 lbs.
...
So who makes the call of a guest is too big to ride

cue the ride's designer and the operating company being sued for discriminating against Persons of Excess Avoirdupois

# ? Mar 29, 2022 17:33

Captain Hygiene: Sep 17, 2007; You mess with the crabbo...

zedprime posted:

You usually don't have large people fall through restraint gaps though. But maybe there's something specific to these that makes it so that the comfortable feeling lock for a large person is also one that can let them slip out.

Really need them to confirm the lock status of the restraint after the ride to answer it simply though. We know it positively locked at the start of the ride due to interlocks. If it was locked at the end, it's a pulled out situation, possibly with the locking mechanism loosening under load but still. If it's unlocked or visibly opened by the end it's a failure under load.

All the news today is saying the accident report states it was still locked at the end, for what that's worth.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 17:35

satanic splash-back: Jan 28, 2009

Did anyone think to check if he was greased up, or maybe really sweaty beforehand? Could have just slipped right out, like trying to grab a greased up watermelon.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 17:40

Nocheez: Sep 5, 2000; Can you spare a little cheddar?; Nap Ghost

I guarantee a 340 pound person in Florida is going to be extremely wet when outdoors.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 17:47

SweetMercifulCrap!: Jan 28, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Nocheez posted:

I guarantee a 340 pound person in Florida is going to be extremely wet when outdoors.

Normally, but it was actually pretty cool that night. Low 60's.

# ? Mar 29, 2022 17:49

-Zydeco-: Nov 12, 2007

Zero One posted:

It's just speculation but so far no one is suggesting mechanical failure like the seat couldnt support his weight.

It seems like the restraint was not able to correctly hold someone of his size and the G forces pulled him out through the gap between the seat and the restraint.

Not unlike the non-fatal accident on Superman: Ride of Steel 20 years ago.

Looking at the ride design, I'm surprised they are allowed to use a restraint like that on that kind of ride. I'd assume that restraints would have to be designed so that the direction the rider would travel when subjected to the stopping force would be blocked.

The restraint they used has a gap between it and seat which would be ok if the rider was upright since they would be driven directly down into the seat. Since they tilt the rider forward though, now the force to stop the rider is being applied by the seat and restraint and I'm assuming the seat is plastic with poor friction meaning you'll have a tendency to slide off it. You get a larger rider who has a center of gravity further forward from the back of the seat and a restraint that can't close as far and now the gap is larger.

Are there standards for what type of restraints are required for different ride types?

E:

zedprime posted:

You usually don't have large people fall through restraint gaps though. But maybe there's something specific to these that makes it so that the comfortable feeling lock for a large person is also one that can let them slip out.

I think the seat tilt was probably not considered when the restraints were designed or sourced from another ride design.

E2: Apparently ASTM F2291-21 is the spec covering seat restraints if someone wants to look at it.

-Zydeco- fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Mar 29, 2022

# ? Mar 29, 2022 18:02

Zero One: Dec 30, 2004; HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

-Zydeco- posted:

Looking at the ride design, I'm surprised they are allowed to use a restraint like that on that kind of ride. I'd assume that restraints would have to be designed so that the direction the rider would travel when subjected to the stopping force would be blocked.

The restraint they used has a gap between it and seat which would be ok if the rider was upright since they would be driven directly down into the seat. Since they tilt the rider forward though, now the force to stop the rider is being applied by the seat and restraint and I'm assuming the seat is plastic with poor friction meaning you'll have a tendency to slide off it. You get a larger rider who has a center of gravity further forward from the back of the seat and a restraint that can't close as far and now the gap is larger.

Are there standards for what type of restraints are required for different ride types?

E:

I think the seat tilt was probably not considered when the restraints were designed or sourced from another ride design.

E2: Apparently ASTM F2291-21 is the spec covering seat restraints if someone wants to look at it.

From another thread:

SweetMercifulCrap! posted:

Found this on another forum:

Left is the actual kid and how he was restrained. Right is the image tilted 30 degrees as it would have been while he was falling.

If the harness was in fact locked and deemed low enough, it's absolutely insane that this thing was signed off to allow for something like this, where literally the only thing holding him would be the tiny flap between the legs (which is also much smaller than you'll find at similar rides at the big parks). And beyond that, no seatbelt? Insanity. He was probably holding on for dear life from the tilt onward when the sudden deceleration of the braking was too much force for him.