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WhatEvil posted:I think it's also interesting to consider that had it been The Rock instead of Chris Rock, Smith probably wouldn't have slapped him, IMO. i doubt the rock would have insulted his wife, whom he owns.
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Speaking of which, Smith has put out an apology https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1508586563390754817
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The real answer is that they both acted in a lovely way. I don't know why people have such a problem conceiving that this could be true. It's the same poo poo as we've seen with Putin Vs. Ukraine/The West. "But who's right!?!" Nobody. Everybody involved is poo poo. What I'm saying is, Will Smith is literally Vladimir Putin.
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WhatEvil posted:The real answer is that they both acted in a lovely way. Mr Smith my people are yearning for freedom please slap boris johnson
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i am a work in progress fortunately i am able to outsource the work to the lowest bidder
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I'm just going to preface this by saying that I am a 100% Alex Jones-style truther on this, I'm absolutely convinced it was a work, and will willingly go over this poo poo frame by frame like the Zapruder footage if needed. That said - I think people are overreacting with the "wife = property" angle of the story. I've gotten to the threshold of a fight on more than one occasion when people have taken the piss out of friends, and I certainly don't consider them to be my property (If nothing else I couldn't afford taking on the level of legal liability for some of the poo poo they've got up to this would entail), and did once "accidentally" kick a ball right in the bollocks of someone taking the piss out of a deaf lad on our team. The person I was "defending" had his own agency, but - to lapse into the vernacular - the geezer was bang out of order, and I didn't think what he was doing was acceptable and lost my temper. Everyone has internal lines that they don't believe should be crossed, and the positions of those lines can be very variable and the reaction when they're crossed even more so.
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yeah but theres a bunch of stuff wrapped up in gender stuff around agency that doesn't apply to lads on the footie field. ridley scott should re edit the oscars from will, chris and jada's points of view.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I'm just going to preface this by saying that I am a 100% Alex Jones-style truther on this, I'm absolutely convinced it was a work, and will willingly go over this poo poo frame by frame like the Zapruder footage if needed. same tbh, when I originally saw the footage I was like "lol this is pathetic kayfabe" but now everyone is claiming this is the new 9/11
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He lost his temper is all. I don't condone unnecessary violence but like, someone took a cruel jab at someone he loves and his anger flared and he expressed it that way. I don't think this is necessarily a gendered thing or a sexist thing, unless we count that the joke itself was loving sexist and gross as poo poo, taking a swing at a woman's unconventional appearance.
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WhatEvil posted:The real answer is that they both acted in a lovely way. Yeah, but you gotta turn this take into something provocative if you want that Comment Is Free gig
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this is the dumbest tv thing people have gotten worked up about since janet jackson's nipple
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they're both in the wrong, but I find Smith's actions a hell of a lot more understandable than Rock's
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I find it just bizarre to even have, or feel like you have to have, a particularly advanced opinion on this whole matter. One guy made a particularly cruel insulting joke about another guy’s wife, the husband got emotional and smacked the first guy in the face. It’s the kind of thing that happens all the time, everywhere, without much comment. I suppose if you had to categorise it, it would be in the “bad” column. If we were all ascended enlightened figures, this sort of thing probably wouldn’t happen. If this happened between two of your acquaintances you’d probably think something along the lines of “well, he shouldn’t have hit him, but he did kind of have it coming” and then likely never think about it again, other than to awkwardly bring it up when drunk with the pair of them a while later. But it didn’t happen to two of your boring friends in your boring life, it happened to two of the most famous people on the planet in full view of the cameras and audience at the biggest celebrity event of the year and was broadcast around the world. This made it extremely remarkable, but it didn’t actually affect the morality of the event in any way. But ludicrously, it made the entire pundit class feel like they had to construct some kind of wider philosophical point out of the whole thing, because being obliged to churn out an SEO-friendly article about the thing that everyone is talking about, or incredibly tenuously tying it to the completely unrelated subject you actually want to talk about, is just how modern “journalism” works. But even more bizarrely, because of the influence these chumps have on our society, ordinary people have started to feel like they also had to have some kind of thesis on these events. You don’t. It’s just a thing that happened, that’s all.
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Comrade Fakename posted:I find it just bizarre to even have, or feel like you have to have, a particularly advanced opinion on this whole matter. One guy made a particularly cruel insulting joke about another guy’s wife, the husband got emotional and smacked the first guy in the face. It’s the kind of thing that happens all the time, everywhere, without much comment. I suppose if you had to categorise it, it would be in the “bad” column. If we were all ascended enlightened figures, this sort of thing probably wouldn’t happen. If this happened between two of your acquaintances you’d probably think something along the lines of “well, he shouldn’t have hit him, but he did kind of have it coming” and then likely never think about it again, other than to awkwardly bring it up when drunk with the pair of them a while later. Sometimes, people enjoy talking about things that happened, especially if those things are unusual (very famous people do not usually smack each other at awards shows) and slightly interesting (is violence ever justified?). I can't speak for the pundits. Well I can, they're chasing views and therefore money. But the reason ordinary people are chatting about it is that it's interesting. An interesting event. e: it's gossip, you know? People like to gossip
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HopperUK posted:Sometimes, people enjoy talking about things that happened, especially if those things are unusual (very famous people do not usually smack each other at awards shows) and slightly interesting (is violence ever justified?). I can't speak for the pundits. Well I can, they're chasing views and therefore money. But the reason ordinary people are chatting about it is that it's interesting. An interesting event. Yeah, that’s my point. Gossip is fine, and understandable. But this has descended into “but what does this mean for our society!?” “Here’s a searing takedown of one side of an extremely common squabble” “Here’s how Will Smith hitting Chris Rock relates to Chinese geopolitical posturing, a subject I am an expert on”. This is a big event, that people are going to remark upon. But those remarks don’t have to, and frankly shouldn’t, be much more complicated than “holy poo poo the Fresh Prince slapped that famous comedian in the face on the stage at the Oscars!!”
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Tesseraction posted:Yes, he was not right to be violent Disagree. Actions have consequences, and sometimes consequences for heinous poo poo means other people don't have to face that heinous poo poo. The rear end in a top hat getting slapped in the face for mocking someone else's health condition deserved it, and the discourse is probably a good thing overall in this case.
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More comedians should be slapped.
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Tesseraction posted:same tbh, when I originally saw the footage I was like "lol this is pathetic kayfabe" but now everyone is claiming this is the new 9/11 More likely he laughed to be polite, and then it clicked what the reference meant, saw she was upset, and snapped.
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Male pattern baldness is another form of alopecia, but it's OK for, say, Gervais to say that Karl Pilkington "has a head like a loving orange" every chance he gets, but it's not OK for Chris Rock to suggest Jada Plinkett Smith get a role in fictional movie GI Jane 2. Edit: I'm mainly pointing this out because I recently saw the "learn English with Ricky Gervais" video on YouTube, and while I think Gervais is painfully unfunny, he goes on at length about Karl's baldness making him resemble a hairless testicle etc., and it's all seen as good fun even though Karl seems to hate it. Ricky definitely deserves a slap too Rabelais D fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Mar 29, 2022 |
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No one seems to get the principle of 'talk poo poo, get hit' has destroyed your brains
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You know what they say: loose lips get stitches
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On a more thread-relevant note, have any Elden Ring-ers noticed that the Misbegotten look like Boris Johnson? The hair is too neat, but otherwise I think it's uncanny.
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WhatEvil posted:The real answer is that they both acted in a lovely way. I read that Putin vs. Kayne West at first.
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I'd like Will Smith to smack the poo poo out of more people, starting with Ricky Gervais and Jimmy Carr
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therattle posted:Oh, so that’s why a man has to speak and act on her behalf. Like you're doing?
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Oh dear me posted:Like you're doing? Forums poster therattle misogynoir-istically mansilencing the victimised multimillionaire Scientologist
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Some lass got aggro with me in a bar a while ago & my girlfriend threatened to do a violence, v disappointed to learn that this means she sees me as her propertyGhost Leviathan posted:No one seems to get the principle of 'talk poo poo, get hit' All of society is built upon this fundamental axiom.
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Oh dear me posted:Like you're doing? Oh poo poo, what’s Jada’s username? Is she Jaelani? (If she was actually in this forum then yes, I’d have been white-knighting her. But she’s not and I’m not). There are some views in here that I disagree with but I see where they’re coming from. Your comment was just silly. (Unless you were joking in which case the jokes on me for not getting it). therattle fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Mar 29, 2022 |
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therattle posted:Oh poo poo, what’s Jada’s username? Is she Jaelani?
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I would smack the comedian who mocks my wives appearance, but that's because I am an aggressive neanderthal suffering from toxic masculinity, and view her not as a partner but as chattel.
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I'm sure she much prefers this outcome, where half the planet is involved in tedious discussions about her being bald, cheating on her husband, and their family being weirdo Scientologist freaks, rather than her just eye-rolling (which she did) and the show carrying on because nobody ordinarily cares about weak awards show jokes that reference minor 90s movies. It seems pretty obviously all about some multimillionaire guy with a fragile ego and emotional problems making a tit of himself in a very public setting. And yet people are banging on like it has any relevance to their lives so they can say "yeah I would commit sick ultraviolence if a balaclava man scissor-kicked my wife in a Tesco carpark". Like, ok, that's marvellous
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therattle posted:(If she was actually in this forum then yes, I’d have been white-knighting her. But she’s not and I’m not). Requiring people to do or say nothing when they see someone be hurt is poo poo, whether or not she is in the room. If someone talks over me or shoves me aside or similar, then they're denying me agency. But having your own reaction independent of mine is not. Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Mar 29, 2022 |
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therattle posted:Oh, so that’s why a man has to speak and act on her behalf. Just to be an annoying devils advocate because I'm bored on a Tuesday: Interesting that you presume her feelings in this scenario, instead of waiting to hear her voice on the matter. You're making decisions for her just like you're accusing him of doing. He was laughing at the joke initially. She could have very well leaned over and said "I can't believe you're laughing about this, go up there and hit that motherfucker for disrespecting me again." It is a very binary view of women to believe that they have never advocated for or requested violence be done on their behalf.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Is boris going to get a party fine today? No hes going to get a party, fine today?
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If not for the slap I don't think I'd have realised the Smiths were scientologist. But on the other hand I'd have not had to hear about this bollocks for more than 24 hours so not really worth it forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Mar 29, 2022 |
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I think it’s pretty funny to go up on stage on national tv and slap Chris Rock for taking the piss out of your wife’s medical condition, and if anyone did that for me I’d think that was quite nice of them. Not that they thought they owned me. People sometimes slap or otherwise do minor acts of violence against each other. It’s a lot healthier than a 90 tweet screed or whatever’s sadly replacing the humble smack.
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OwlFancier posted:The thing that strikes me is that a lot of people seem to have a... strangely absolutist stance on it? Yeah basically agree with 100% of this. Talk poo poo, get hit. It’s actually a lot less damaging to social fabric than putting it in writing. The 1920s Chinese intellectual Lin Yutang had an amazing line on this that I’ve always liked: if someone upsets you, the best thing to do is to let it go, if you can’t let it go hit them, if you can’t do that then explain to them why it upset you, and if you can’t do that then write it down. The reason is that letting it go is best for your relationship afterwards and putting it in writing is the most guaranteed to make things worse.
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Is there going to be an April thread because I just found these nightmare images of a path never taken.    
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