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If Antifa is working to kill god then i am on their side.
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Hihohe posted:If Antifa is working to kill god then i am on their side. loving animes, man
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Mar 29, 2022 18:30
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MrUnderbridge posted:It's the Christian argument that people don't really not belive in God. Since God is all powerful, there's no possible way that someone just didn't believe in him.
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Mar 29, 2022 19:03
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Anti-fa more like anti- (God the) Father am I right? 
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Mar 29, 2022 19:39
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Panfilo posted:This is connected to a bigger over arching concept that any thought contrary to conservative values cannot be made in a neutral or logical setting. It has to either be born out of ignorance or manipulation. You can't possibly be atheist, or gay, or communist, someone must have tricked you into believing it.
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Mar 29, 2022 19:45
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Panfilo posted:This is connected to a bigger over arching concept that any thought contrary to conservative values cannot be made in a neutral or logical setting. It has to either be born out of ignorance or manipulation. You can't possibly be atheist, or gay, or communist, someone must have tricked you into believing it. That's the sort of "logic" that animates a lot of right-wing policy and messaging.
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Mar 29, 2022 20:07
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bird food bathtub posted:Doesn't feel like this message has enough hatred for the current right wing media rhetoric. If they felt people were misguided it would allow for correction or redemption or however they frame the short coming. At one point conversion therapy, "pray away the gay" and so on was in vogue. That feels like it has fallen out of favor for the "tree of liberty", "blood and soil" type messages of punishment and cruelty. Ok yeah I keep having the message of the leading RWM self help guy explained to me but "Antifa is rejecting God"or some manifestation of the devil is still beyond me. People not wanting to get murdered by cops for being black = lack of faith in Christ is a long line I can't connect no matter how big my bulletin board, the amount of string and thumb tacks I have along with all the Polaroid shots of Soros, Obama and Pelosi I have attached to it. I think it's a little more simple than that because they start with the premise that America is a christian nation, christianity is good, America is good, ergo flaying the flags and worshiping Jesus makes YOU good and everything "bad" must be the opposite of that by extension. Or something. I mean, we're dealing with half the country supporting the party that buys into Q poo poo, still thinks the election was stolen and that democrats work with Hollywood to drink the blood of children. It's not all of them but it's a lot of them who think that Bill Gates is implanting microchips via C19 vaccines. So I'm probably over thinking it and it's as simple as "thing I don't like" = "the devil" or whatever the gently caress they're on about. Antifa couldn't be more clear. They oppose fascists. Period. End of story. It's not some Illuminati cabal that's highly organized with a ton of dark money backing it. It's just people that don't like nazis and killer cops.
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Mar 29, 2022 21:04
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It's also a lot of just refusal to accept that not everyone is as frightened as they are. A large part of evangelicalism is the belief that everything is explained by God. There's no such thing as doubt or discontent on how things work, that's just God magic making things work. You have all these stupid scientists saying they aren't sure about things, stupid idiots don't know God did it. And then you see people who are just living their lives content with not knowing that everything is part of a perfect plan and not just collapsing in the street out of fear. How can this be? Well, they *know* that there is God's perfect plan, but they are deliberately choosing to ignore it. That's the only explanation.
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Mar 29, 2022 21:11
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Panfilo posted:This is connected to a bigger over arching concept that any thought contrary to conservative values cannot be made in a neutral or logical setting. It has to either be born out of ignorance or manipulation. You can't possibly be atheist, or gay, or communist, someone must have tricked you into believing it. And as if to prove the point, the RDU morning chuds were talking this morning about (I think) in Texas, there was an elementary school that was having a week of LGTB+ education, and in an interview one of the fourth grade teachers said that of the 32 students she had, 20 of them had privately talked to her about being LGBT+. Then the co-host was like "Wow, it's almost as if children are very susceptible to suggestions and are like clay that you can mold to be what you want them to be." This is also the logic behind DeSantis' anti-gay/trans bill in Florida, it's the idea that if children never hear that being gay or trans exists, by the time they're an adult they'll just automatically be straight and cis since nobody tricked/forced them to be those things. BiggerBoat posted:Antifa couldn't be more clear. They oppose fascists. Period. End of story. That's the problem is that people who consume right wing media believe that antifa are the real fascists, and that they are promoting and spreading fascism through their actions while just claiming to be against fascism. Kind of like how the how the ACLJ claims they are for justice but do everything they can to increase and promote injustice against oppressed groups.
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Mar 29, 2022 21:20
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Given the amount of narcissism involved in being a right-wing media figure, I do wonder if those high-minded socio-theological reasoning aren't giving Peterson a bit too much credit. When he is referring to God, he is also referring to himself. Everything else follows logically from that. If another person hates God is of no relevance to anyone else, but if another person hates him then he can view it as a personal attack. There may have once been a point where I might have approached Peterson as someone capable of reasoned argument, but if the right-wing media system didn't rob him of that already, the benzos addiction certainly did.
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Mar 29, 2022 21:31
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I think the thing that freaks people out about antifascists is the decentralized and masked nature of them. A lot of right wing reactionary politics seems to be about putting people into boxes but if you don't know who these people are or who is in charge it makes them a force of nature. This gets reinforced by signal boosting videos from years ago that are some variation of young looking masked people threatening/attacking an older person. I've heard it's only like 5 video journalists total that record and edit this content and it just gets recycled over and over devoid of context. A lot of chuds thought antifa was made up of jobless losers but when mugshots revealed many of them were school teachers they freaked the gently caress out.
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Mar 29, 2022 22:28
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OK but I guess what I'm saying that me largely supporting Antifa and opposing fascists and not liking cops murdering with impunity has little (or actually nothing) to do with the fact that I'm an atheist. I don't even see how those things connect. Because they don't. I'm sure there are some Antifa members that believe in god or go to church and stuff and I really don't give a poo poo. God had nothing to with George Floyd or Rodney King or however long we need to go back and look at the race problem we've historically had in the United States. What I mean is, like most things people like Jordan Peterson say, it's complete bullshit and you can keep it.
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Mar 29, 2022 22:28
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I think all these arguments are a little too specific, though on point. The phrase "revenge against God for the crime of Being" is very loaded. Those who exist must fundamentally acknowledge God because they are products of the Creator, and dissidents are living in resentment of God's Will, even if they don't explicitly describe their conflict as being with the fairy grandfather in the sky. The world as it exists (especially the status quo and the US in particular) is God's vision and any rebellion or systemic dissent must be an unconscious failure of fundamental spiritual character. It encompasses the entire world, not just the US. Anyone who doesn't embrace that Natural State narrative is resentful of being part of this world, but remember: that's still part of God's confusing Plan. Satans and dissidents exist in God's work, but they are there for the purpose of othering and reflecting on your own righteousness. They aren't capable of accepting the Truth at all because of their existential resentment. Woe unto the adjunct professor who is placed in such a situation! There is no hope for the lost, nor for the righteous who would hope to make a better world by exterminating them. It would only naturally bring an old man to tears at the thought of what could have been in a more pure and enlightened world. ILL Machina fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Mar 30, 2022 |
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Glory to Italia!
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BiggerBoat posted:OK but I guess what I'm saying that me largely supporting Antifa and opposing fascists and not liking cops murdering with impunity has little (or actually nothing) to do with the fact that I'm an atheist. I don't even see how those things connect. Because they don't. I'm sure there are some Antifa members that believe in god or go to church and stuff and I really don't give a poo poo. Not to be offensive, but I think you're missing the point. They want their God to be fascist. And they'll ignore all evidence to the contrary. That's how they justify their racism and murder. It's how opposing them is opposing God and their supposed natural order. Everything else flows from there.
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Mar 30, 2022 02:40
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SpeakSlow posted:Not to be offensive, but I think you're missing the point. Yes, this.
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Mar 30, 2022 02:45
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Hihohe posted:If Antifa is working to kill god then i am on their side. "Attack and dethrone god", to be specific. Killing is not specified.
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Mar 30, 2022 08:01
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BiggerBoat posted:I swear man the loving flag flying totally wears me out. I'm flying an american flag right next to a pride flag because gently caress those assholes trying to act like they are the only americans.
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Mar 30, 2022 14:28
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BiggerBoat posted:OK but I guess what I'm saying that me largely supporting Antifa and opposing fascists and not liking cops murdering with impunity has little (or actually nothing) to do with the fact that I'm an atheist. I don't even see how those things connect. Because they don't. I'm sure there are some Antifa members that believe in god or go to church and stuff and I really don't give a poo poo. I relate to this but also it's completely missing how many Evangelical, Christian Reformed, name your flavor devout Christians worldview functions. The fact that you see a separation between your (lack of) religious beliefs and the physical world around you is 100% not how they see it. From my anecdotal but extensive interactions with midwestern Christian Reformed folks, there is no separating these things. They see themselves as living an unwritten next chapter in the Bible - everything is a test or a miracle, and prayers have a direct, physical effect on the real world and that is self-evident to them. There is no question that America is Christian and represents God, and Antifa protesting American institutions and criticizing American leaders (the Christian ones, duh) is the work of Satan OR a test from God. Take yer pick. Black folks being killed by cops, same thing. Peterson's view seems to be the same thing, ascribing high-minded moral narratives to the daily physical struggles of life is important if you believe everything happens for a reason and God is an omnipotent good guy who also lets lovely things happen for reasons.
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SpeakSlow posted:Not to be offensive, but I think you're missing the point. Well, obviously. No offense taken
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After listening to far more of him than any living thing should, I'm convinced that Mark Levin is the most hateful right wing radio host. All of the other ones I've heard are willing to act like human beings every once in a while, have a normal chat about something fun they enjoy, crack a joke, things like that. Mark Levin is just filled with nothing but pure hatred, it seems like it's impossible for him to enjoy a single thing. And while every right wing media personality hates anyone to the left of Hitler, he's unique in just going on and on about how much he despises anyone he disagrees with politically and hurls insult upon insult on them, in a way I haven't heard any other right wing personality do.
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Mar 30, 2022 20:16
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Yeah, sounding uncannily like Master Shake will do that to a person.
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He's basically a very angry overgrown toddler, since he's 100% convinced that his stupid nicknames for things are the most creative thing ever. He does get a point for being spectacularly lazy, since playing the national anthem at the start of the show, frequently demanding "Mr. Producer!" replay bumper music, and various other things mean that he's maybe got to come up with 60-90 minutes of actual material for a 3 hour block, and most of that is just repeating whatever he just said, but louder or with a question mark on the end.
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Mar 30, 2022 20:37
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Ellis Henican lucked out by sounding like Stormy from Sealab, an annoying but much less insufferable character.
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I'm actually unsure if Mark Levin or Ben Shapiro is worse to listen to, since Shapiro sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks joined the Klan (and had way too much coffee), and he's almost worse than Levin, since he spends a sizable percentage of his show jerking himself off about how great he is, or reading emails from listeners saying how great he is.
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Mar 30, 2022 20:43
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This stuff drives me insane https://twitter.com/tomscocca/status/1509264241760608259?s=21&t=XTbFYwfZ_C6V2YUqhZX3mA This is in response to CBS News hiring Trump flack Mick Mulvaney as an ‘analyst’
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Mar 30, 2022 21:35
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I saw another scuttlebutt tweet that CBS hired Mulvaney in order to have GOP insider access since "the GOP are going to win the midterms." Bullshit? Maybe. Plausible? Certainly.
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Tesseraction posted:I saw another scuttlebutt tweet that CBS hired Mulvaney in order to have GOP insider access since "the GOP are going to win the midterms."
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FlamingLiberal posted:I mean it’s almost identical to the right wing hiring spree that ‘liberal’ MSNBC went on post-Trump election with people like Greta VanSusteren and others Which is still amazing to be seeing as how half their hires imploded and were gone from the network within 6 months (like VanSusteren) or just stopped being right wingers because they were left in the ideological dust by the further jump to the fringe by the rest of the right wing.
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nine-gear crow posted:Which is still amazing to be seeing as how half their hires imploded and were gone from the network within 6 months (like VanSusteren) or just stopped being right wingers because they were left in the ideological dust by the further jump to the fringe by the rest of the right wing. Then again, MSNBC kept huge piece of poo poo Pat Buchanan around for years so....
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FlamingLiberal posted:Then again, MSNBC kept huge piece of poo poo Pat Buchanan around for years so.... Name recognition. Nobody gives a gently caress about Greta Van Susteren.
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azflyboy posted:He's basically a very angry overgrown toddler, since he's 100% convinced that his stupid nicknames for things are the most creative thing ever. Yeah he loves talking about the "Washington Compost" and "New York Slime." Rush was the same way though, before he died (lol), like he would always say "Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz," he never referred to her by her actual name. quote:He does get a point for being spectacularly lazy, since playing the national anthem at the start of the show, frequently demanding "Mr. Producer!" replay bumper music, and various other things mean that he's maybe got to come up with 60-90 minutes of actual material for a 3 hour block, and most of that is just repeating whatever he just said, but louder or with a question mark on the end. My favorite thing the other night was he was playing clips from someone (I forget who) and he was like "Cut sixteen go!" All that played was something like "Well I think that-" and Levin just goes "SHUT UP, IDIOT!" and that was it, he didn't play the rest of the clip and didn't give any rebuttal to what the guy said.
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No one should ever discuss Mark Levin without prefacing it with this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYz0RaZSMsA
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Twelve by Pies posted:Yeah he loves talking about the "Washington Compost" and "New York Slime." Rush was the same way though, before he died (lol), like he would always say "Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz," he never referred to her by her actual name. I mean, that's just right wing in general, though. I'm over on the freep thread, and Freep still thinks "Obummer" is the height of comedy.
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azflyboy posted:He's basically a very angry overgrown toddler, since he's 100% convinced that his stupid nicknames for things are the most creative thing ever. He's also often just reading or paraphrasing passages from his awful books.
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Maggie is definitely right wing media https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1509676701139283973
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Piell posted:Maggienis definitely right wing media https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1509676701139283973 "My secretary ate my homework" is a hell of an excuse for escaping a treason charge
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Piell posted:Maggie is definitely right wing media https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1509676701139283973 Ah, the Rose Mary Woods defense, I see. A classic maneuver.
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Piell posted:Maggie is definitely right wing media https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1509676701139283973 There was only one secretary in the White House who knew how to log calls? Really? That’s the line she’s going to throw out there? Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.
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DarklyDreaming posted:"My secretary ate my homework" is a hell of an excuse for escaping a treason charge Fawn Hill Faith Hill!?
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