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Avast behind.
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Mar 28, 2022 20:15
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Swab the poop deck!
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Mar 28, 2022 20:37
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CharlestheHammer posted:How can it be a deconstruction, it’s exactly the same tone wise as 60s Batman So, Batman wasn't... How can I put this. Batman was silly in the 50s and 60s, but it wasn't in the same way. It's more that he did ridiculous things, but he was still presented as a serious character. You were meant to take him seriously. Adam West Batman flipped the script and the comics started following suit- people even got upset at the time that they were making a mockery of the comics believe it or not. So yeah. Batman the show was a satire in a way the comics weren't.
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Mar 28, 2022 20:58
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Burkion posted:So, Batman wasn't... This might be one of the best exchanges in comic book film history quote:Gordon: Could be any one of them, but which one? W.... Which ones?
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Mar 28, 2022 21:06
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Burkion posted:So, Batman wasn't... Adam West's Batman works because his Batman never winks at the audience nor does he act in self conscius way. This is Batman's world and these are his adventures. They might look silly for us, the watchers, but for the characters they are deadly serious.
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Mar 28, 2022 21:36
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Fish of hemp posted:Adam West's Batman works because his Batman never winks at the audience nor does he act in self conscius way. This is Batman's world and these are his adventures. They might look silly for us, the watchers, but for the characters they are deadly serious. yea there's zero 'hah...look at this, aren't we fuckin silly' in West's Batman, it's 100% sincere bullshit and that's why it's delightful. Like you said yea it looks silly to us but half the joke is that the robot shark biting Batman's cape is treated exactly as a threat would be in the world of Batman. If you remove that by having him wink at the camera it's still a fun silly time but it's way weaker as a joke than just completely unironic and sincere 'holy mechanical megalodons, that robot shark is gonna eat you!'
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Mar 28, 2022 21:46
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Fish of hemp posted:Adam West's Batman works because his Batman never winks at the audience nor does he act in self conscius way. This is Batman's world and these are his adventures. They might look silly for us, the watchers, but for the characters they are deadly serious. You mean like the bit in the movie with the giant gunpowder bomb? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSZJufHv5kg
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Mar 28, 2022 21:50
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Kwyndig posted:You mean like the bit in the movie with the giant gunpowder bomb? Even his 4th-wall breaking is serious! Amazing! 
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Mar 28, 2022 21:58
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Even his 4th-wall breaking is serious! Amazing! yea I forgot how genuinely exasperated he sounded for that line. West was a drat treasure.
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Mar 28, 2022 22:13
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CharlestheHammer posted:No it really isn’t. The clone saga actually wasn’t really referenced all that much until I wanna say 2015? I think that’s when Dan Slott did his clone conspiracy storyline which opened the floodgates of it coming back as they try to make Ben Reilly (who was the least popular part of the saga) a thing. It never takes but they try. So you're not wrong that they avoided it like the plague for a long time before bringing it all back in, just that the door cracked open about five years prior. Burkion posted:So, Batman wasn't... This didn't do much to halt the decline of Batman's popularity, so the book got reassigned from Jack Schiff (who had been editing all of the Batman comics since the early 1940s) to Julie Schwartz, who made a big promotional deal about The New Look Batman, which attempted to realign Batman to being a relatively realistic detective/crimefighter to try to appeal to the readers who were buying the then-new Marvel Super Heroes. So then in 1966, the Batman TV show comes along and is honestly pretty much in line (albeit with a smaller effects budget and more winking) the Batman comics the 1950s and 1960s, but in stark contrast with Schwartz's attempt to revamp the comic. So with some amount of consternation, they re-revamped the comics to be more in line with the TV show's campiness. Within a couple of years Batmania faded and the TV show was canceled and the campy comics were back to selling badly, which is when the Dennis O'Neil/Neal Adams/et al. comics reverted back to the reversion they'd made five years earlier, only this time it stuck around for pretty much the next fifty years. I suppose it's possible that you were meant to take Rip Van Batman and Zebra Batman and Batman Jones and The Bizarre Batman Genie and etc. etc. very seriously, but it seems unlikely.
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Mar 28, 2022 22:19
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Brawnfire posted:Personally I'm into going hard a larboard BEAT TO QUARTERS
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Mar 28, 2022 22:20
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Aces High posted:For some reason I thought we were talking about Ultimate Spider-Man, where a very much adult Black Cat has been hitting on Spidey since the first time they exchange words. Can't remember if it was before or after Peter's 16th birthday, but when she finally has the chance to get intimate with him, the reveal of him still being a teenager was a huge enough shock that she vomits into his lap. It's funny that the comics can draw teenage MJ as over-sexualised as the current artist wants but it is still wrong for Wolverine to make the moves on her. Although from context I guess both of those things were actually treated as normal.
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Mar 28, 2022 22:43
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I’m pretty sure the fact he was making moves on her was more weird in that he was in Peters body so it was functionally attempted rape. Though I don’t remember teenage MJ being sexualized all that much unless you have a hard rule against midriffs
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Mar 28, 2022 22:56
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CharlestheHammer posted:I’m pretty sure the fact he was making moves on her was more weird in that he was in Peters body so it was functionally attempted rape. It's more a joke about how comics depict women and also depict them in miniature statues that are sold to the fanbase.
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Mar 28, 2022 23:02
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I AM GRANDO posted:He tells the story to a kid to help him understand that it’s not his fault that he was molested, that there’s nothing wrong with him, and that he will get help if he tells adults in his life what happened. It’s a great move for helping to communicate with kids, even if it’s silly when transposed into the melodramatic world of regular superhero comics. I’m surprised the company allowed it, honestly. For all his faults, Stan Lee was very big on social programs. He let The Electric Factory use Spider-Man for free as long as all of his lines were written for the audience instead of spoken.
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Mar 28, 2022 23:05
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That explains something I had always wondered about.
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Mar 28, 2022 23:22
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oh sweet jesus, looking back through the Ultimate comics and I forgot Pete had that loving awful birdhair look
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Mar 29, 2022 05:16
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:For all his faults, Stan Lee was very big on social programs. He let The Electric Factory use Spider-Man for free as long as all of his lines were written for the audience instead of spoken. This was before my time, what do you mean? That he had to speak directly towards the audience rather than the other characters on the show?
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Mar 29, 2022 05:30
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Detective No. 27 posted:This was before my time, what do you mean? That he had to speak directly towards the audience rather than the other characters on the show? Speech bubbles would pop up on screen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVDX9r3RhnY&t=119s
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Mar 29, 2022 05:44
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CharlestheHammer posted:No it really isn’t. The clone saga actually wasn’t really referenced all that much until I wanna say 2015? I think that’s when Dan Slott did his clone conspiracy storyline which opened the floodgates of it coming back as they try to make Ben Reilly (who was the least popular part of the saga) a thing. It never takes but they try. I mean that's pretty much the pattern mind; comics do something embarassing and the writers and editors just bury it and hope everyone forgets and it becomes a forgotten joke like Superman Red and Blue, but about 15 years later if they're not stopped the writers decide to bring it up again and Correct the Record/Fix It and somehow make it even cringier than it was to start with.
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Mar 29, 2022 06:20
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Kwyndig posted:You mean like the bit in the movie with the giant gunpowder bomb? Why are robins shorts so short
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Mar 29, 2022 06:54
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oldpainless posted:Why are robins shorts 
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Mar 29, 2022 07:06
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Edge & Christian posted:
Grant Morrison sure did.
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Mar 29, 2022 12:13
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Der Kyhe posted:It is actually a bit stupid that I can count at least 4 of those, which have been adopted by alt-right nazis or radical left. The political movements really have no imagination do they? Still desperate to learn which radical left-wing groups are using Galactus as their symbol or whatever.
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Mar 29, 2022 16:38
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Punisher but man they should use galactic
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Mar 29, 2022 16:42
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grassy gnoll posted:Still desperate to learn which radical left-wing groups are using Galactus as their symbol or whatever. I would like to know this too. There aren’t really any left-wing Marvel heroes, even. The Punisher is at least an accurate representation of the beliefs of the average police officer, only he’s not racist.
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Ambitious Spider posted:Grant Morrison sure did. Grant Morrison can be maybe overrated but he's the best because he understands comic books are supposed to be fun.
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Mar 29, 2022 17:36
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Kwyndig posted:You mean like the bit in the movie with the giant gunpowder bomb? "they may be drinkers Robin..but they're also human beings..and may be salvaged.." 
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so sarah z made a video i was looking forward to on idiocracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o52zD-aGqjA this is probably a real good example of something that didn't age well. back in 2007 when i first saw it (on youtube), i thought this was the funniest and politically astute movies of the era. looking back, while i still think it's pretty funny, there's definitely a lot that i'm looking back at with a tad bit of embarrassment. lots of people pointed out the problematic eugenics subtext, but sarah z also points out some stuff that i didn't really think about too much. about how the solution to the movie's woes is a smart person leading them and all the stupids getting out of the way. i mean, yes that's how the movie ends, which i knew at the time, but it never really clicked until now. sort of makes sense considering mike judge is a libertarian (albeit, as far as libertarians go, a pretty okay one).
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Mr Interweb posted:lots of people pointed out the problematic eugenics subtext
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And yet every time the movie gets mentioned, goons scuttle out of the woodwork to defend its themes  It reminds me of that comedy sketch about the guy making a friend watch an old movie he hadn't seen since he was a teen and had totally forgotten how trash it actually was. Only, replace 'blatant homophobic and rape' with 'blatant homophobia and eugenics apologism'.
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Mar 30, 2022 15:37
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Megillah Gorilla posted:And yet every time the movie gets mentioned, goons scuttle out of the woodwork to defend its themes There’s some funny gags in the movie, especially visually (St. God’s Hospital, Starbucks does sex work, like ‘full body lattes’, the massive size of Costco, Fudd Ruckers slowly becoming Butt Fuckers, etc.) which I think initially allowed the movie to gain popularity. Unfortunately, the rest of the movie has aged so horribly/was always straight garbage if you gave it more than 2 seconds thought, while continuing to be referenced for the worst reasons.
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Mar 30, 2022 15:43
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Megillah Gorilla posted:And yet every time the movie gets mentioned, goons scuttle out of the woodwork to defend its themes the conversation that is happening right now is the only one I've ever seen on here it's basically a meme at this point
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Mar 30, 2022 15:47
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She's right in that "it's what plants crave" is basically the only part of it that's still got any cachet.
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Mar 30, 2022 15:56
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That movie has a lot, a lot of problems That said, this goes down as one of my all-time fave line readings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8zNsUTWsOc
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I feel like you could have done the same movie with "mindless consumerism increasingly becomes people's only option in a capitalist society" sort of take rather than "man idiots pop out a lot of kids, here's how they'll gently caress up the world" and it wouldn't be as gross, maybe.
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Brawnfire posted:I feel like you could have done the same movie with "mindless consumerism increasingly becomes people's only option in a capitalist society" sort of take rather than "man idiots pop out a lot of kids, here's how they'll gently caress up the world" and it wouldn't be as gross, maybe. Judge would have to think a little harder with his conservative brains tho.
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Have you guys considered that Idiocracy...is basically a documentary?
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