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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1509278005469847574?t=MPLXcYVUQzkv29C05xzJPw&s=19 
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1509278005469847574?t=MPLXcYVUQzkv29C05xzJPw&s=19 Relax people Chernobyl syndrome is a hoax
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I just had a pretty horrible thought, that this is going to be used as justification to escalate on Ukraine. I mean, these folks went into Ukraine, and came out with radiation poisoning. Case closed.
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Mar 30, 2022 23:30
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Do they not know about Chernobyl because whatever oblast they live in has no education budget, or is that sort of thing deliberately suppressed because it was a huge L for the previous regime?
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Think they’ll invade?
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Tiny Timbs posted:Think they’ll invade? They’ll never invade Ukraine, Ukraine’s in NATO
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Ajaxify posted:This made it to the times just now: Pay-walled, care to copy/paste?
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zoux posted:Yeah, how would they even know that? Remind me that line from Patton(?): "I am not prepared to dispute the Fuhrer."
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Mar 30, 2022 23:34
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I just had a pretty horrible thought, that this is going to be used as justification to escalate on Ukraine. I mean, these folks went into Ukraine, and came out with radiation poisoning. Case closed. it's not even a horrible thought it's just an obvious next action given all the other bullshit spouted by russia
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pmchem posted:it's not even a horrible thought it's just an obvious next action given all the other bullshit spouted by russia
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Joke Miriam posted:Do they not know about Chernobyl because whatever oblast they live in has no education budget, or is that sort of thing deliberately suppressed because it was a huge L for the previous regime? It's entirely possible that these conscripts didn't know where they were.
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Mar 30, 2022 23:45
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A.o.D. posted:It's entirely possible that these conscripts didn't know where they were. Wouldn’t the Ferris wheel and giant concrete dome ring some bells
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Mar 30, 2022 23:54
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Pay-walled, care to copy/paste? Sorry 'bout that. Here's a gift link to the article with unlimited views for 14 days. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/30/world/europe/putin-advisers-ukraine.html
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Mar 30, 2022 23:58
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Pay-walled, care to copy/paste? Open in incognito browser window (if using chrome).
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A.o.D. posted:It's entirely possible that these conscripts didn't know where they were.
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i know im not the only one that would relish in throwing a shovel full of radioactive dirt into the face of the lt that told me to start digging or else...
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Ajaxify posted:Sorry 'bout that. Here's a gift link to the article with unlimited views for 14 days. Thanks, brother.
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Mar 31, 2022 00:20
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Open in incognito browser window (if using chrome). I use Safari, the bespoke and greatest mobile web browser on the iPhone. Also I tried incognito mode on chrome, because I have it but never use it. Didn’t work for me. Maybe it’s an iPhone thing.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:I use Safari, the bespoke and greatest mobile web browser on the iPhone. Also I tried incognito mode on chrome, because I have it but never use it. Didn’t work for me. Maybe it’s an iPhone thing. Nah, it never seems to work for me either.
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Mar 31, 2022 00:25
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Naked Bear posted:Yes, but somebody knows where they are, and those conscripts aren't digging fighting positions because they're bored. There is nearly 0 chance those conscripts' commanders give even a shadow of a gently caress how awfully they die.
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A.o.D. posted:It's entirely possible that these conscripts didn't know where they were. Considering the amount of Americans who don't know why the Civil War happened, I would not be surprised at all if a significant portion of Russian's 30 and under literally don't know what Chernobyl is. Putin will try to use this as an escalation, but I'm not sure if anything practical will come of that. It seems like he's already committed all the force he can muster unless he starts mass conscription. And that's a process that will take at least several months to make any difference.
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Unless he uses radiation warfare as an excuse to drop the bomb, which was my concern.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Unless he uses radiation warfare as an excuse to drop the bomb, which was my concern. More likely he's would use it as an excuse to use chemical weapons, claiming that Ukrainians are using dirty bombs or something like that.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Nah, it never seems to work for me either. It doesn't work across all sites, but does for a lot. I think wapo lets it slide. No idea about the NYT. I was going to try it out but clicked the wrong link and opened the shared one.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Unless he uses radiation warfare as an excuse to drop the bomb, which was my concern. Seeing as they haven't even admitted that some of their soldiers suffered radiation poisoning, I don't think there's any real danger (in the short term at least).
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1509278005469847574?t=MPLXcYVUQzkv29C05xzJPw&s=19 After running the numbers on that, count me as being skeptical that they actually have radiation sickness. Scared and exhibiting weird symptoms? Sure. Increased cancer rates? Very possible. Stem cell damage or skin lesions? Ehhh. The forest is dangerous but not THAT dangerous. They'd need to have dug pretty deep to find something that was still emitting at 5,000 times the typical rate in the forest.
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Kaal posted:They'd need to have dug pretty deep to find something that was still emitting at 5,000 times the typical rate in the forest. Inhalation of less radioactive particulate during said digging make a difference vs just getting it on your skin and clothing?
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Kaal posted:After running the numbers on that, count me as being skeptical that they actually have radiation sickness. Scared and exhibiting weird symptoms? Sure. Increased cancer rates? Very possible. Stem cell damage or skin lesions? Ehhh. The forest is dangerous but not THAT dangerous. They'd need to have dug pretty deep to find something that was still emitting at 5,000 times the typical rate in the forest. OK Comrade Dyatlov.
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They've also been there about a month. No idea how deep russian dig fighting positions, but typically it's to the armpit, so 4-5 feet deep.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:OK Comrade Dyatlov. You rang? ......oh.
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/MrKovalenko/status/1509278005469847574?t=MPLXcYVUQzkv29C05xzJPw&s=19 Karma's a bitch apparently.
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Re: Russian rad casualties. EXTREMELY Unlikely anyone of these guys got anything worse than a headache and .5% worse chance of any-cancer-ever-propability for the next 20 years, But radiation sickness is such a fickle and hard to figure out beast that all it takes is PVT ivan ivanovich reporting headache and starshyu specialist Vladimir say that its radiation poisoning and that his foxhole bottom has weird metal that is *totes* buried old soviet bulldozers that are irradiated and the entire battalion gets acute placebo symptoms. Then a rudimentary geiger counter check on Any ticking on PFC starshyu Sergei show elevated radiation levels (bc he happened to dig a foxhole on a low ground and disturbed a bit of irradiated terrain) and Now Russian e-4mafia has everyone in panic that half the brigade will die or zombie mutate Any day now.
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Valtonen posted:Re: Russian rad casualties. Yeah, it won't do anything to them, unlikely to be really bad. However, there's also been reports that Russia destroyed a lab in Chernobyl that was used to studying radioisotopes and waste from Reactor 4, including possible stealing some sources. Those could readily make you VERY sick. Could very much see a Russian private stealing what he thinks is a very safe memento only to actually be a highly radioactive source.
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Orthanc6 posted:Considering the amount of Americans who don't know why the Civil War happened, I would not be surprised at all if a significant portion of Russian's 30 and under literally don't know what Chernobyl is. loving zoomers amirite? They suck everywhere
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Oh yea, pvt ivan snuffy grabbing a handful of glowing sand from a lab and not telling anyone until his weewee started bleeding (bc he kept it in his pocket) a month later would very much be a ”gently caress” event and call for evacuating more than a few soldiers.
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Valtonen posted:Re: Russian rad casualties. lol if you think acute placebo symptoms are a thing in the army that pimps out soldiers and sends hosed up dudes to the front with grade A medical evals
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Alan Smithee posted:lol if you think acute placebo symptoms are a thing in the army that pimps out soldiers and sends hosed up dudes to the front with grade A medical evals Thats the whole beauty of the situation theyre in; having dug in on the zone for a week plus every one of them- EVERY ONE- will show elevated levels of radiation accumulation. You dig a hole, leave your gear in that hole, and just like in Fort benning there will be red clay on that gear, for them there will be some extra ticking of the old geiger in that gear. So they have #readings that arent accurate, abd #symptoms that might just be placebo, and they have the chernobyl superstition. Thats a LOT of bullshit to try to disprove fir anyone Now feeling ”sick” for an officer that isnt trained on the details.
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I gotta say, diagnosing a bunch of conscripts as worthless malingerers from thousands of miles away has some huge lovely NCO energy.
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on one hand I feel really bad for these kids, many of whom probably come from poverty just like the US military, who have been lied to and abused every step of this invasion by their government but on the other there's karma and they're probably just faking feeling sick
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