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Immortal X-Men was great, though I was sad to see one of the council drop already.
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Immortal X-Men spoiler it’s good
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Mar 31, 2022 00:34
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Cartridgeblowers posted:Immortal X-Men was great, though I was sad to see one of the council drop already. He is still going to be written by ewing in x-men red Also everyone hates Hank
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Mar 31, 2022 01:52
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Immortal X-Men was absolutely fantastic. I'm fully on board with Gillen.
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Mar 31, 2022 01:56
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Cloks posted:Gillen has said he's going to write some of the issues from the perspectives of the various members of the Quiet Council and I am READY for the Sinister issue. i was not prepared for this issue
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Mar 31, 2022 02:20
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As much as I loved Wic+Div and Die, I'm so loving happy to have Gillen back in the X-Office, holy poo poo.
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Mar 31, 2022 04:21
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Do people not talk about Inhumans vs X-Men as one of the worst x-stories of all time because of recency bias or because there was some unwritten agreement that we would all pretend it didn't exist? Am I breaking some sort of contract by mentioning it?
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Mar 31, 2022 12:07
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It's been forgotten since none of it matters now, especially with the Inhumans being put on the shelf.
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Mar 31, 2022 12:46
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danbanana posted:Do people not talk about Inhumans vs X-Men as one of the worst x-stories of all time because of recency bias or because there was some unwritten agreement that we would all pretend it didn't exist? No, it's just because people would rather talk about good things than bad things.
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Mar 31, 2022 13:05
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I love talking about bad things, but even for me IvX was a big case of uhhhh probably best not to think about this too hard. I do wish Marvel wouldn't just shutter the Inhumans, though. They have a bad habit of shuttering their own properties for no particularly good reason.
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Mar 31, 2022 14:02
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Not true! They love memory-holing properties they have no financial interest in! Inhumans tv sucked so erase it for a few years while people forget. F4, Mutants.... etc
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Mar 31, 2022 14:13
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Remember Pantheon?
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Mar 31, 2022 21:01
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I think it was IvX that tried gamely to murder all the good character work Emma had until that point.
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Mar 31, 2022 22:03
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Gologle posted:Remember Pantheon? nice try, peter david.
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Mar 31, 2022 23:29
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Dawgstar posted:I think it was IvX that tried gamely to murder all the good character work Emma had until that point. It's the most egregious thing it does but it also just generally loving sucks. I want to join the consensus praise of Immortal, which is one of the best issues of the Krakoan era and everything that I wanted from the political side of the story. I'm also very glad Hope is being used again. Also Exodus canonically explaining the Big JC was a mutant is fun. (Though it does add another pre-20th century mutant to the list, which I don't love)
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danbanana posted:It's the most egregious thing it does but it also just generally loving sucks. I think there's plenty of room to imagine that Exodus is just mythologizing in a way that gels with his own ideological degree zero, which is that he's both a guy invested in mutant sovereignty AND a medieval Catholic. It makes total sense to me that he would sit down and conclude that the guy he worships was a member of the demographic he now agitates for, but he's not necessarily correct. An occultist in Marvel could just as easily be like, well, Jesus was a sorcerer supreme, and so on. Remember, Exodus is not super known for acting on reliable information or being entirely consistent in his beliefs. His biggest plot in the Krakoa era involved him spending months demonizing Wanda and then very abruptly changing his mind.
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Apr 1, 2022 00:39
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on the other hand, Jesus "Hot Claws" Christ
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Can't wait to see his gala drip
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How Wonderful! posted:I think there's plenty of room to imagine that Exodus is just mythologizing in a way that gels with his own ideological degree zero, which is that he's both a guy invested in mutant sovereignty AND a medieval Catholic. It makes total sense to me that he would sit down and conclude that the guy he worships was a member of the demographic he now agitates for, but he's not necessarily correct. An occultist in Marvel could just as easily be like, well, Jesus was a sorcerer supreme, and so on. Remember, Exodus is not super known for acting on reliable information or being entirely consistent in his beliefs. His biggest plot in the Krakoa era involved him spending months demonizing Wanda and then very abruptly changing his mind. *deletes all the work I put into a "Jesus Was Right" t-shirt*
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Apr 1, 2022 00:47
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exodus is old, but not that old. i'm not sure if any of the externals were that old, either. to get the skinny on ol' jc you'd have to go to apocalypse and he's busy being a wife guy.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:exodus is old, but not that old. i'm not sure if any of the externals were that old, either. to get the skinny on ol' jc you'd have to go to apocalypse and he's busy being a wife guy. ask thor
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I hope this "Exodus thinks Hope is the Second Coming" sticks around and becomes a major headache for everyone, because I kind of love it. Why shouldn't she be the second coming? She gave mutants life twice over, that's awesome.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:exodus is old, but not that old. i'm not sure if any of the externals were that old, either. to get the skinny on ol' jc you'd have to go to apocalypse and he's busy being a wife guy. Selene is like 20,000 years old. She's from the Hyborian age, which is why she was so involved that time Kulan Gath turned NYC into a Conan Cosplay Convention. I also think some of the other Externals are millenia old? I'm not bothering to check because then Externals would be in my search history and that thing is embarrassing enough for me.
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You can read this article on mutant history if you'd like, but I kind of advise against it because it will mostly just remind you of a TON of bad comics. You WILL be forced to remember killcrops. Exodus was born in the 12th century which... I don't know, fine. There seems to be some dissent on the fan wikis about which crusade he fought in and there is no way in hell I'm digging up the goofy Black Knight one-shot this all went down in to check right now. So he presumably has a very singular and idiosyncratic view of what kind of being Jesus was that would be strange and quite alarming to 21st century Christians let alone Hope, who I imagine is just like, mm, ok, during that bit.
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danbanana posted:It's the most egregious thing it does but it also just generally loving sucks. Was Irene or Mystique not that old before?
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Skwirl posted:Was Irene or Mystique not that old before? The time they met was always around 1900
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How Wonderful! posted:I think there's plenty of room to imagine that Exodus is just mythologizing in a way that gels with his own ideological degree zero, which is that he's both a guy invested in mutant sovereignty AND a medieval Catholic. It makes total sense to me that he would sit down and conclude that the guy he worships was a member of the demographic he now agitates for, but he's not necessarily correct. An occultist in Marvel could just as easily be like, well, Jesus was a sorcerer supreme, and so on. Remember, Exodus is not super known for acting on reliable information or being entirely consistent in his beliefs. His biggest plot in the Krakoa era involved him spending months demonizing Wanda and then very abruptly changing his mind. Yeah, this was my read on it. He certainly hadn't been born yet, but sure, why not claim Jesus was a mutant who could resurrect people? Anyway, loved it. Gillen never disappoints, and this seems like exactly the sort of X-Men comic he should be writing.
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Skwirl posted:Was Irene or Mystique not that old before? My understanding was that Claremont picking "Irene Adler" as Destiny's name was purposeful and that she was intended to be the Sherlock Homes character. But I don't think Mystique was shown to be that old for a while... maybe that mini where Kate and Rachel go back in time to murder Hitler? So either canonically or heavily hinted at, Mystique and Destiny have been pegged as being born around the late-19th I think.
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Yeah, I thought Destiny was supposed to literally be Irene Adler, and I just always sorta assumed Mystique was about the same age as Logan.
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I on the other hand had no idea Mystique was supposed to be that old. I mean it totally tracks, there's no reason a shapeshifter should age. Has that been brought up in, say, the past 20 years and I just missed it, or is it the sort of thing you'd have to have read like the Claremont era comics to know?
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It pops up here and there. Last year's Pride special had a fun story about them as a young couple at the turn of the 20th century.
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As someone who mostly stopped reading X books between 1994 and 2017, I don't know where I first heard the idea of Mystique being that old (hell it might have been the movies). I definitely don't remember that being explicit in the Claremont run or immediately after. So it still feels weird to me.
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I just assumed she was old because it looked like the 1920s when she gave birth to Kurt. But somehow I never considered him old.
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Kurt was introduced by being chased by Dr. Frankenstein's German neighbors so it makes sense that he's 200 years old. (I know he is not 200 years old)
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Sinister's going to be the one to accidentally solve the "the x-men always lose" problem, and i'm so here for the temper tantrum he'd throw about it.
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I think the first time it was real explicit was the 1999 Claremont-penned "True Friends" mini-series where Kitty and Rachel time travel to 1936 where they encounter not-time-traveling versions of Wolverine, Shadow King, Mystique, and Destiny. A couple of years later in X-Treme X-Men he establishes that Destiny was born some time in the mid 19th century, and Mystique first met her in what seems to be the Old West in the US. Several years after that Jason Aaron did a series of flashbacks in "Get Mystique" showing that Logan and Mystique first met each other in 1921. I don't think there have been a lot of other stories focusing on Mystique being around 100+ years ago, but I feel like her being 100+ years old has come up semi-regularly since it got established. I think it was at least implied she was "older than she looked" throughout the 1990s when they kept teasing/establishing that she had various adult kids.
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There is a kind of weird scene in UXM #170 where she finds herself dreaming about being in 1783, and the caption box notes she "will not be born for another 170 years." That issue came out in 1983 so at that point, at least, Claremont was thinking about her as being around 30. But you know, Claremont changed his mind about a lot of stuff and clearly decided the idea of her being much older was more appealing, which I think I agree with.
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danbanana posted:I want to join the consensus praise of Immortal, which is one of the best issues of the Krakoan era and everything that I wanted from the political side of the story. I'm also very glad Hope is being used again. Also Exodus canonically explaining the Big JC was a mutant is fun. we really taking known religious nut who used to literally worship magneto at his word?
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Exodus has been used excellently in the Krakoan era. Has he even been in a fight with his rear end pull power set? I’m surprised that Exodus hasn’t had a sit down with Nightcrawler yet.
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