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Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

CrcleSqreSanchz posted:

We're starting to have staffing issues at work and those at work are taking off masks and poo poo. Covid is def coming back into care homes lol

Also lol our province is closing all testing sites and won't release any info except weekly.

Best summer ever *coughs up intestines at the Boston pizza patio*

yup, same.

"everybody come back to the office. don't worry about masks."

"uh we have a lot of people getting sick with covid. keep coming to work, but maybe keep those masks on."

really feeling that article about the capitalist death drive

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a primate
Jun 2, 2010

my wife works for a subsidiary of an American company, and the US head office is full steam ahead for returning to work, and has dictated that policy to all international offices. there is definitely dissent in the ranks

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Dec 25, 2009



Karach posted:

yup, same.

"everybody come back to the office. don't worry about masks."

"uh we have a lot of people getting sick with covid. keep coming to work, but maybe keep those masks on."

really feeling that article about the capitalist death drive

you know, I get why the capitalist death drive, but what's the deal with the anti-mask propaganda? Masks don't interfere with capitalism. You'd think keeping more people alive would be good for capital.

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/senate-basic-income-conspiracy-theories-1.6403777

quote:

Members of the Red Chamber have been hit by a wave of questionable correspondence from Canadians convinced that a pending Senate bill would take away their pensions and lead to some sort of totalitarian world government.

Tens of thousands of calls, emails and handwritten letters urging senators to oppose Bill S-233 have flooded into the Red Chamber. The emails — many of them based on outlandish conspiracy theories — have at times overloaded the Senate's servers, bringing the normal workflow to a grinding halt.

Bill S-233 calls for the creation of a national "framework" to allow the federal government to begin studying a "guaranteed livable basic income" program in Canada.

If passed, the one-page bill, which was introduced by Ontario Sen. Kim Pate, would not establish a basic income program in Canada. It would simply compel the Department of Finance to study the concept and report its findings.

Under parliamentary rules, a senator cannot propose any new spending or tax increases through a Senate public bill like S-233. Moreover, bills of this sort — and non-government legislation more generally — rarely pass through both houses of Parliament into law. The federal Liberal government has also been cool to the idea of a basic income program.

Despite those facts, senators are grappling with a well-organized letter-writing campaign driven by people worried that the bill's passage will somehow result in real harms, like an end to Old Age Security and Employment Insurance or the contributory Canada Pension Plan.

tbf, although this bill will result in nothing (remember Mincome and how they just stopped the experiment in Dauphin without actually analyzing the data?), it seems exactly like something the government of Canada would do: implement basic income and then begin to phase out all other forms of social assistance.

quote:

Fascists, Soros and cyborgs

Those contacting senators' offices to oppose S-233 blame the purported conspiracy to destroy the Canadian way of life on a range of bad actors: fascists, socialists, the Masons, billionaires like Microsoft founder Bill Gates or investor George Soros, or World Economic Forum (WEF) head Klaus Schwab.

Others bizarrely maintain the legislation will lead to "transhumanism" — an alleged plot to turn people into cyborgs.

"This is CANADA . . . not North Korea, not Russia, you are employees of the people! NOT EMPLOYEES OF THE WEF OR THE WHO," one correspondent told Simons in a recent email.

"Bill S-233 is just the beginning. We are losing our freedoms to a group of elites that want to depopulate and control mankind, enslave us to experimental transhumanism, and the removal of any Christian and Godly devotions," said another.


well, the government is studying "biodigital convergence" i.e. transhumanism and how it might affect Canada's status as a banana republic raw resource exporter, so maybe the chuds are on to something.

quote:

"Nobody voted for Nazi Klaus Schwab. Nobody even knew he existed 2 years ago. He has NOTHING to do with Canada or any other country. Schwab holds a statue of Lenin in his office! This is NOT CANADA. We are NOT going BACK to NAZI GERMANY. Please see NUREMBERG CODE & TRIALS," said one letter-writer, referring to the WEF founder who has been the subject of many conspiracy theories since the onset of COVID-19.[

it's true, Nazi archcapitalist Leninist Klaus Schwab is not Canada.

this article is also peak CBC. rather than discussing the merits and history of basic income, we're encouraged to dunk on chuds so that we can feel like super smart liberals.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
1. arrange a study on universal basic income
2. ???
3. transhumanist Nazi Leninists attack and dethrone God

Cerepol
Dec 2, 2011



fisting by many posted:

you know, I get why the capitalist death drive, but what's the deal with the anti-mask propaganda? Masks don't interfere with capitalism. You'd think keeping more people alive would be good for capital.

They've got other stuff they need to normalize like working extra for no pay and, 'taking a cut for the team' and let's not forget 'its good yo pay 66% of your income on rent!'. This mask stuff needs to go, So we can just get back to normal.

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

fisting by many posted:

you know, I get why the capitalist death drive, but what's the deal with the anti-mask propaganda? Masks don't interfere with capitalism. You'd think keeping more people alive would be good for capital.

because of exactly that death drive, if you believe Freud. our leaders are unwell, and would rather that we all live in a world of death and disease than change.

quote:

Some subsequent interpreters of Freud (most notably Jonathan Lear) have argued that trauma nightmares are the exception that proves the rule of the pleasure principle, artifacts of a “damaged” or “shocked” psychic apparatus.7 And Freud himself seemed to tarry with this possibility, suggesting that the “compulsion to repeat” in such dreams was in fact the mind’s effort, albeit stalled out, to “master” the traumatic experience, to somehow make it pleasurable through the fact of repetition. But Freud also ventured something more radical, pushing for something further, something beyond (jenseits) the pleasure principle itself: a countervailing tendency to go back and repeat no matter the psychic cost, an imperative almost inhuman in its indifference to pleasure or even life itself. He dubbed this the “death drive” and saw it as operative not just in pathological conditions that manifested on his couch, but in the most basic building blocks of biology, putting it right alongside—and over and against—the instincts for self-preservation and reproduction. If the primary outputs of the sexual drive were, for Freud, the fostering of bonds between people, sublimation into creativity and the arts, and, in the mode of sexual reproduction, the production of new life, the terrain of the death drive is about severing ties, breaking things to pieces, and even suicide. And rather than being oriented towards change, or situated towards the present or the future, the death drive is oriented, viciously, towards stasis and the restoration of a kind of deadened past. It encompasses, he wrote, “[t]he expression of the inertia inherent in organic life to restore an earlier state of things which the living entity has been obliged to abandon under the pressure of external disturbing forces; that is, it is a kind of organic elasticity, or, to put it another way, the expression of the inertia inherent in organic life.”

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
yeah its pretty much that, remove all restrictions, stop the flow of data and just wait until everyone accepts that 10-15% more people are dying each year than before along with countless others getting long covid.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

fisting by many posted:

you know, I get why the capitalist death drive, but what's the deal with the anti-mask propaganda? Masks don't interfere with capitalism. You'd think keeping more people alive would be good for capital.

capitalism and our current entire system is on the edge of total collapse. everyone can feel this so they are super resistant to ANY hint of permanent change. everything must be frozen exactly as it was in 2019

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Sep 6, 2006

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vyelkin posted:

1. arrange a study on universal basic income
2. ???
3. transhumanist Nazi Leninists attack and dethrone God

drop the nazi part and i'd support a party with this platform

damn horror queefs
Oct 14, 2005

say hello
say hello to the man in the elevator
ICU doctors and nurses are WELFARE QUEEN'S who have had a FREE RIDE for TOO LONG

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

drop the nazi part and i'd support a party with this platform

our future is augmented super agents with boring centrist views

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



vyelkin posted:

1. arrange a study on universal basic income
2. ???
3. transhumanist Nazi Leninists attack and dethrone God

The CanPol guru warned us:

https://mobile.twitter.com/thebadstats/status/1508579434441236482

odiv
Jan 12, 2003

Pope Francis apologizes to Indigenous delegates for 'deplorable' abuses at residential schools
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pope-francis-responds-indigenous-delegations-final-meeting-1.6404344

No lie, saw this headline and thought of today's date.

quote:

"I also feel shame ... sorrow and shame for the role that a number of Catholics, particularly those with educational responsibilities, have had in all these things that wounded you, and the abuses you suffered and the lack of respect shown for your identity, your culture and even your spiritual values," he said.

"For the deplorable conduct of these members of the Catholic Church, I ask for God's forgiveness and I want to say to you with all my heart, I am very sorry. And I join my brothers, the Canadian bishops, in asking your pardon."
"a number of Catholics"
"these members"
ok Francis

Though it's not up to me to accept or reject this.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
all of my friends with toddlers and school aged kids in winnipeg are all of a sudden finding their kids are coming down with horrible long-lasting stomach flus :thunk:

ghosthorse
Dec 15, 2011

...you forget so easily...
how much financial restitution comes with that apology? zero dollars?

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Karach posted:

our future is augmented super agents with boring centrist views



lol no our future is the collapse ending

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011




I know the answer is "Because to them Antifa just means "thing I don't like"" but how is antifa against God exactly, unless yoy consider God to be a fascist?

ghosthorse posted:

how much financial restitution comes with that apology? zero dollars?

Honestly, an apology from the pope, even a half-assed one, was more than I was expecting in my lifetime.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

fisting by many posted:

you know, I get why the capitalist death drive, but what's the deal with the anti-mask propaganda? Masks don't interfere with capitalism. You'd think keeping more people alive would be good for capital.

No one wants to go back to the office only to have to wear masks inside the office and run meetings by video conference that you'd have been doing at home anyway. So the only solution they can see to this is to drag everyone back in, tear the masks off and force everyone into the same physical meeting room.

"Why aren't our workers productive anymore???"

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Randalor posted:

I know the answer is "Because to them Antifa just means "thing I don't like"" but how is antifa against God exactly, unless yoy consider God to be a fascist?

communism is an atheist ideology, antifa are communists, therefore antifa want to murder god

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

Honoured Prof. Jorp, I thought you said that our value-driven revolt against the suffering inherent in Being is the only antidote to nihilism? seems like Antifa is doing some revolting against suffering. or is it that when Antifa does it, they want revenge against God (who created the suffering, I guess??); when Christian Nazis do it, it's life-affirming.

Pepsi Presents Jordan Bee. Peterson's 12 Rules for Life: Lobster Chat posted:

We must have something to set against the suffering that is intrinsic to Being. We must have the meaning inherent in a profound system of value or the horror of existence rapidly becomes paramount. Then, nihilism beckons, with its hopelessness and despair.

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

lol no our future is the collapse ending

Man I always pick the dark age ending. It satisfies my anprim fantasies.

Tracer Tong posted:

J.C.... the net's going... the net's going black... J.C.... no more infolinks,
transmissions of any kind... we'll start again... live in villages... if you
receive this, if you survive, then find us... find us...

we'll all live in villages, but some of us will have super strength and cloaking, and others... won't. should all work out.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Karach posted:

it seems exactly like something the government of Canada would do: implement basic income and then begin to phase out all other forms of social assistance.

Even if that happened it could still be a net benefit. Reducing paperwork is good. A single program all Canadians could qualify for would be easier to navigate than dozens of programs. Qualifying for federal disability pension is a huge hassle so many disabled people don't even try, or give up after the first rejection, so a program where you don't have to jump through hoops would be great.

If they said, "okay everyone who asks for it can get $x per month in taxable income" that would be great. Low income people would still be below the taxable threshold, and people who didn't really need it would end up paying half back through taxes.

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

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fisting by many posted:

you know, I get why the capitalist death drive, but what's the deal with the anti-mask propaganda? Masks don't interfere with capitalism. You'd think keeping more people alive would be good for capital.

Covid mostly kills the old, the disabled, and the very poor, so it's a profitable disease if you ignore all the long-term disabilities and diabetes it can cause. In the US, Social Security and Medicare are already going to save $280 billion from all the seniors killed by covid.

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Karach posted:

Man I always pick the dark age ending. It satisfies my anprim fantasies.

we'll all live in villages, but some of us will have super strength and cloaking, and others... won't. should all work out.

best part of all this is iirc this happens shortly after tracer tong flies halfway across the world to vandenberg to get the extremely rare cure for the gray death, neither of which will be possible after everything collapses, and there's still scores of people with the gray death

a primate
Jun 2, 2010

odiv posted:

Pope Francis apologizes to Indigenous delegates for 'deplorable' abuses at residential schools
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pope-francis-responds-indigenous-delegations-final-meeting-1.6404344

No lie, saw this headline and thought of today's date.

"a number of Catholics"
"these members"
ok Francis

Though it's not up to me to accept or reject this.

serious question, but has anyone asked the bishop of Canterbury et al for an apology? the government farmed out residential schools to a bunch of different churches but all we ever hear about is the Catholic Church because it’s the largest

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

best part of all this is iirc this happens shortly after tracer tong flies halfway across the world to vandenberg to get the extremely rare cure for the gray death, neither of which will be possible after everything collapses, and there's still scores of people with the gray death

just like how covid will just go away when civilization reaches the point that we can no longer manufacture vaccines or N95 masks

jsoh
Mar 24, 2007

O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight

a primate posted:

serious question, but has anyone asked the bishop of Canterbury et al for an apology? the government farmed out residential schools to a bunch of different churches but all we ever hear about is the Catholic Church because it’s the largest

the Queen is the head of that church iirc

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
both United Church of Canada and Anglican Churches apologized back in the 90s. The primate or whatever for the Anglican Church of Canada issued the apologize.

a primate
Jun 2, 2010

Dreylad posted:

both United Church of Canada and Anglican Churches apologized back in the 90s. The primate or whatever for the Anglican Church of Canada issued the apologize.

makes sense, previous popes apologized as well

I forgot about “primate” being a title lol

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

a primate posted:

makes sense, previous popes apologized as well

I forgot about “primate” being a title lol

of all people you should know about primates

skewetoo
Mar 30, 2003

Thread's home where it belongs :3

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
https://twitter.com/bkives/status/1509925990511878163?s=20&t=69-2IZSViIJIbBPdcDM1YQ

you could at least say happy Ramadan or something jesus

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war
Bart has this whole dumb government Q&A Twitter thread thing down to a science.

What's even the point any more? They're not even pretending to answer questions.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-inquiries-covid-police-hq-1.6401546

quote:

"No one is perfect in any of this, me included," Heather Stefanson said during a scrum with reporters at the Royal Winnipeg Ballet on March 23.

"Have we made mistakes? Yes. What we need to do is learn from these mistakes so we can move on and make sure that we make choices based on that moving forward."

The premier was then asked to identify those mistakes.

"I don't know. I don't have all of them in front of me right now," she said. "I know that people believe that there's been challenges and again, I'm not perfect.

My only mistake was forgetting to bring my list of mistakes with me.

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo
bump

Futanari Damacy has issued a correction as of 14:18 on Oct 29, 2022

CrcleSqreSanchz
Aug 21, 2002

I'm feeling something new...something...I'm happy??!!
You could replace our Premier with a busted automatic fortune teller machine and still have better answers and more accountability.


Anyways, three days since exposed to Omicron at work in a healthcare setting. One side of my throat is feeling weird today. Negative rapid test.

Sigh.

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

I stumbled ass-backwards into a comfortable, easy life for reasons beyond my comprehension and now I think I'm better than you for it.
We've had COVID in my house all week(mild thankfully), but only 1/4 of us testing positive. We all tested everyday this week. We spoke to two doctors yesterday and heard the same thing: rapid tests are not reliable in diagnosing Omicron. One told me PCR is only catching 60-70% of cases right now. Omicron is a sneaky fucker.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
I’m pretty skeptical about pcr tests suddenly dropping to 60% effectiveness. for sure they can misread omicron as delta esp for ba2 but to suddenly drop, I haven’t seen anyone talking about this.

the rapid tests with the updated protocols being sent out (that is, swabbing throat and gums and nose) imo are reasonable but really rapid tests should be done on a daily basis for a few days because they were never super amazing. but that would require lots of government tests constantly being sent out and

well

CrcleSqreSanchz
Aug 21, 2002

I'm feeling something new...something...I'm happy??!!
The person who exposed us all tested negative for five days so yeah rapid tests mean poo poo all, and yet you should still do them daily for like a week if you think you've been exposed.

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Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

I stumbled ass-backwards into a comfortable, easy life for reasons beyond my comprehension and now I think I'm better than you for it.
I was skeptical too but I dunno, this doctor seemed to know their poo poo. They also told me to straight up ignore the five day isolation and stay in for ten days because the five days was designated for political and economic reasons not a medical reasons. That bought a lot of credibility with me.

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