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So resident of Epstein's black book Bobby kotick is getting investigated for a insider trading escapade with David Geffen.
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sir the black book clearly says "boby" not bobby so shame on you
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Apr 1, 2022 00:45
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Epstein's master plan of misspelling names saves Bobby's rear end.
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Apr 1, 2022 00:47
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gradenko_2000 posted:that's an excellent book and I'd highly recommend it michael hudson argues there’s three main groups of oligarchies, idk how well this compliments or diverges from the yankees and cowboys line: https://michael-hudson.com/2022/02/america-defeats-germany-for-the-third-time-in-a-century/ quote:America’s three oligarchies in control of U.S. foreign policy
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Apr 1, 2022 00:55
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I just started reading Chaos and lmao at Vince Bugliosi being such an insufferable rear end in a top hat that even his wife can't stand his poo poo
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Apr 1, 2022 01:04
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Bugliosi is the closest thing that book has to comic relief so enjoy it
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Centrist Committee posted:michael hudson argues there’s three main groups of oligarchies, idk how well this compliments or diverges from the yankees and cowboys line:  quote:The recent prodding of Russia by expanding Ukrainian anti-Russian ethnic violence by Ukraine’s neo-Nazi post-2014 Maiden regime was aimed at (and has succeeded in) forcing a showdown in response to America’s fear that it is losing its economic and political hold on its NATO allies and other Dollar Area satellites. These countries have seen major opportunities for gain to lie in increasing trade and investment with China and Russia.
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Centrist Committee posted:michael hudson argues there’s three main groups of oligarchies, idk how well this compliments or diverges from the yankees and cowboys line: this is almost the same with the exception that the cowboys are said to be the combination of the MIC and the oil industry. i believe the yankee and cowboy model is presented as also a split along cultural lines with the yankees being blue blood wasps and the cowboys having the opinion of themselves as self-made rugged frontiersmen. the other key difference is the yankees beginning to favor detente with the ussr and the cowboys remaining fanatical anticommunists, which is not too dissimilar from today's finance and real estate world being happy to both take money from chinese investors and invest their money in China while the MIC demands war with china in principle and the oil industry demanding "confrontation," and other euphemisms for war, to stop China from extracting resources in africa and the middle east that are rightfully the american oil industry's to profit from
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Apr 1, 2022 03:02
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where does healthcare fall in the triad?
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burdt posted:where does healthcare fall in the triad? i dunno, the guy wrote the thing in the early 70's so maybe healthcare was reasonably priced back then and the insurance companies hadn't amassed enough cash to buy every seat in congress's vote on giving them more money as a yes i'd guess yankee because american healthcare is an insurance industry so a subset of the FIRE sector (the fake "make money out of money" "industries" of finance, insurance, and real estate)
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Apr 1, 2022 07:38
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https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1509558565119352832
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Epstine's master plan of misspelling names saves Boby's rear end.
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boby
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yeah and that's why the leaders in all the other countries said sweden was doing the right thing
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burdt posted:where does healthcare fall in the triad? tech is also a big question mark for me. the yankees and cowboys stuff is appealing because it feels like an almost actionable demystification of the ruling class but it’s also missing a lot
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Shear Modulus posted:yeah and that's why the leaders in all the other countries said sweden was doing the right thing I seem to only recall anti-vaccine middle class idiots spouting this poo poo.
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burdt posted:where does healthcare fall in the triad?
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Centrist Committee posted:tech is also a big question mark for me. the yankees and cowboys stuff is appealing because it feels like an almost actionable demystification of the ruling class but it’s also missing a lot yankees and cowboys doesn't describe the entirety of the elite perfectly, but it does effectively cover the major conflict amongst the elites that shaped our current order very well. healthcare, defense, tech are all too diverse of pies for one or the other to really dominate in the same way the cowboys dominate resource extraction and the yankees dominate finance. the new techno lords are an interesting one, but you have to trace the rise of Silicon Valley and American tech directly back to the vietnam war (and fixed priced contracts for missiles and Igloo White). So while the current figures, like zuck, are new and bizarre, the money behind the whole system is the same old defense money as always.
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Bathtub Cheese posted:lmao Jacobin's Marcetic goes out of his way to suggest the Saudis played the US somehow and not draw the obvious conclusion branco just doesn't want to get gary webbed. if he follows the conjecture down the private defense contractor rabbit hole.... DirtyRobot posted:freedom is when your surveillance state is outsourced to private companies who don't have to respond to FOIA requests
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Centrist Committee posted:tech is also a big question mark for me. the yankees and cowboys stuff is appealing because it feels like an almost actionable demystification of the ruling class but it’s also missing a lot tech was part of the military-industrial complex but has broken off into its own thing that, despite being comparable in size to banking & real estate, punches way below its weight in terms of direct influence over government and society this is a function of two main things: first, the industry doesn’t lobby the way the MIC, entertainment, and B&RE do, mostly it seems out of pure naïveté second, the rise of tech after the split from the MIC that started in the 1970s was financed primarily by new money, and is essentially new-to-the-nth money, which means all of the existing elites consider tech beneath them and tech doesn’t seem to be doing anything to counter this (like upping the lobbying spend and making connections with the old families from other industries)
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Apr 1, 2022 20:30
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it's hard to see tech as anything but the plausible deniability arm of the MIC. Pilantir comes to mind.
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Apr 1, 2022 20:43
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yeah theres a ton of dod money in ms, google, etc
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the tech industry today is based on exorbitant amounts of free money being thrown at anything that looks like it might have the possibility of making a profit. i think today most of the sector that isn't a direct IC contractor like palantir or the government side of google and amazon is closer to the finance world than the defense contractors. people in tech also have the closest cultural affinity with finance types. finally, the hottest part of the high tech industry today are "fin-tech" firms and new paper assets to speculate on like bitcoins and NFTs
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it's also very hard to see what the tech industry would lobby for that they don't already have, at least on a massive scale to justify an Oil/Gas or MIC lobbying budget. at this point, i sincerely doubt that there's much regulation stopping alphabet or facebook from doing anything they want to do
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They're the good guys~! Cus they let you look at porn and track your every move. The tech industry is filled with willing fascist/"libertarian"/econ101-bro idiots to carry water for any policy that kills the poor or poisons the planet. They bought up all the video cards to launder money in unregulated markets, the currency of which is tied directly to how much energy one can purchase. This currency is currently used to bypass sanctions, but has also found use as ransomware collection, purchasing tainted drugs, and buying child pornography. It is not a surprise they were the primary "domestic" forces in the 2016 elections.
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Azathoth posted:it's also very hard to see what the tech industry would lobby for that they don't already have, at least on a massive scale to justify an Oil/Gas or MIC lobbying budget. at this point, i sincerely doubt that there's much regulation stopping alphabet or facebook from doing anything they want to do they want the government to create "regulations" that would be designed to be too expensive for any small company to pay for the necessary work to comply with so they'll never be challenged by any new company, and they want the US to sign TPP-like agreements with other countries to strengthen the IP rent extraction economy and take it overseas
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US tech firms run into regulatory problems outside the US so I imagine that's where their lobbying efforts are concentrated.
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Long watch, plenty of sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZyIjBxxpTY
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Apr 1, 2022 21:14
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2 and a half american hours of bread tube 
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Apr 1, 2022 21:25
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Shorter than reading Chaos for the 800th time. Like y'all recommend full rear end novels. Just put it in audio mode. There's a lot in there that's relevant to everyone in this thread.
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Apr 1, 2022 21:31
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no thanks
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Apr 1, 2022 21:50
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mfs will watch a two and a half hour breadtube instead of a crumb of a Parenti or Ture lecture. US left in shambles
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Apr 1, 2022 21:52
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watching hour after hour of breadtube and nodding along sagely as I shrug off my perfidious conspiracy theory programming and internalize the very good breadtube programming
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Wasabi the J posted:Shorter than reading Chaos for the 800th time.
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if it's so important can they put it in written form
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Perry Mason Jar posted:mfs will watch a two and a half hour breadtube instead of a crumb of a Parenti or Ture lecture. US left in shambles
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Apr 1, 2022 22:00
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i am prepared to watch a 2.5 hour breadtube video but not without a much more detailed idea of what it is about and what the overall thing it's trying to prove is. like, I don't want to get an hour in and find out it's about why oswald acted alone
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Apr 1, 2022 22:01
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Shear Modulus posted:if it's so important can they put it in written form it's so much easier to get the gist of something by skimming it and if there's something important or complex you can reread it for a more in depth understanding. why I never watch youtube (unless it's stevemre1989info)
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Azathoth posted:i am prepared to watch a 2.5 hour breadtube video but not without a much more detailed idea of what it is about and what the overall thing it's trying to prove is. like, I don't want to get an hour in and find out it's about why oswald acted alone skip to the last 5 minutes of the vid for the thesis
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