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if I'm lucky enough that my specific B350 board gets a Ryzen 5000-compatible BIOS update, how much of a performance uplift might I see going from an i5-10400 to an R5 5600X?
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shrike82 posted:I haven't been following recent AMD chip news - what's the line-up for this year? 5800X3D should launch fairly soon, Zen 4 sometime late this year. No reason to pull the trigger on a 12700K if you're going to be waiting for a 4090 anyways.
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Mar 27, 2022 11:59
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gradenko_2000 posted:if I'm lucky enough that my specific B350 board gets a Ryzen 5000-compatible BIOS update, how much of a performance uplift might I see going from an i5-10400 to an R5 5600X? honestly not a massive one iirc
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Mar 27, 2022 12:05
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Klyith posted:
hrm. i've been off having other fun windows adventures so i haven't had a chance to do this until now, this is the voltages ryzen master displays at stock without PBO even being on  just discord and steam running and steam isn't doing anything and i'm still getting that high voltage. is that normal?
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Mar 27, 2022 13:31
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CoolCab posted:hrm. i've been off having other fun windows adventures so i haven't had a chance to do this until now, this is the voltages ryzen master displays at stock without PBO even being on I asked multiple times about this here when 3000 series launched and I got 3700X and no-one would even try to answer so I think it's normal.
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Mar 27, 2022 14:36
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Normal. What did Gigabyte do recently? redeyes fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Mar 27, 2022 |
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CoolCab posted:hrm. i've been off having other fun windows adventures so i haven't had a chance to do this until now, this is the voltages ryzen master displays at stock without PBO even being on For a ryzen running at 3.5ghz, 1.4V is normal. The thing that's not normal is how on a supposedly idle system it is still running at 3.5 ghz and no cores are sleeping. Voltage and clock speed are directly tied together in these CPUs. If your clock is never dropping to a true idle, the voltage will always be high. This is what an idle CPU looks like:  The voltage is way down because the CPU is running at 400 mhz and half the cores are asleep. I can grab the scrollbar in firefox and flick it around wildly and the CPU still doesn't ramp much past 1 ghz (and peak voltage goes up to like 1.2V). To make it run at 3+ ghz I have to actually do something like start a new program or whatever. Something is keeping your CPU ramped up. I dunno if it's actual background load, mobo OC settings that didn't reset, or what the gently caress. Are you using the custom power plan by 1smus or whatever his name is? Use the "AMD Ryzen Balanced" power plan that came with the chipset drivers. You can safely ignore the EDC gauge being red, that must be a reporting fuckup from the mobo or something because it's just plainly wrong. Your CPU is not consuming 200 amps.
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Mar 27, 2022 15:58
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Could a defect be responsible?
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Mar 27, 2022 16:01
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hrm, definitely isn't a load
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Mar 27, 2022 16:18
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and that's with ryzen balanced going latest chipset drivers etc, yeah. hrm. i think it's the bios somehow?
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Mar 27, 2022 16:23
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wait lmao why is windows only seeing six cores, gently caress e: lmao is that what game mode does in ryzen master WHY ARE ALL GAME MODES A TRAP lol
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Mar 27, 2022 16:30
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CoolCab posted:wait lmao why is windows only seeing six cores, gently caress WTF. In Ryzen Master click on the bars in the "Cores Section" to expand everything. You should have 2 CCDs with six cores each on a 3900X. God drat, maybe you got a counterfeit CPU? That would be amazing. Do you still have the box & packaging it came in? There's a sticker on the outside of the box with a hologram and like serial # / QR code stuff that you can verify on AMD's website. CoolCab posted:e: lmao is that what game mode does in ryzen master WHY ARE ALL GAME MODES A TRAP lol The "Creator Mode" and "Game Mode" in Ryzen Master are just default profiles that have names pre-filled in. They don't actually do anything if you haven't set them -- out of the box all 4 profiles are just the defaults.
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Mar 27, 2022 16:49
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Klyith posted:
see that's what i thought, that they were like afterburner presets. no it seems like game mode turns off half the cores (think it reduces you to 6/12) and i think it's done something to the voltage since it's dropping to like 1ish but it's still mostly 1.4? lesson learned! 
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Mar 27, 2022 16:53
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redeyes posted:Normal. Probably something that helped their margins or whatever and pissed someone who knows better off? At this point it shouldn't be a surprise that the Gigabyte/ASUS/ASRock/MSI take shortcuts with regards to boards under a certain price, where as consumers (especially vocal enthusiast consumers) demand better value for the price point they feel they can afford. Below $150 there are definitely shortcuts taken, and $200 boards are currently the line where consumers generally are supposed to feel "safe" in regards to buying something that isn't compromised. The problem is that $200 price point might become $250 next gen, and $300 the gen after that...
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Mar 27, 2022 16:53
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CoolCab posted:wait lmao why is windows only seeing six cores, gently caress That's "Legacy Compatibility Mode" in Ryzen Master, which disables the cores in one of the dies. You can see it on in the screenshot. The Game Mode preset in Ryzen Master automatically has that mode on. Ironically it can make some older games run faster (just like disabling SMT), but for a 5900X, I would never ever use it for daily use. Defeats the purpose! Here is my 5950x at idle, all stock: 
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CoolCab posted:see that's what i thought, that they were like afterburner presets. no it seems like game mode turns off half the cores (think it reduces you to 6/12) and i think it's done something to the voltage since it's dropping to like 1ish but it's still mostly 1.4? lesson learned! Oh poo poo I see now. It doesn't do that for me because I have a single CCD 3700X, so I see no change with that profile on my system. Game mode disabled 1/2 your cores because being spread across 2 CCDs can cause performance loss. Games are cache sensitive -- they like lots of cache but don't like latency, and when a core on CCD0 needs data from the cache on CCD1 that adds latency. Turning off a CCD prevents that, and very few games really need the extra CPU cores. I guess something about disabling 1 CCD changes the boost profile and makes it more boost-happy. Sidesaddle Cavalry posted:Probably something that helped their margins or whatever and pissed someone who knows better off? Recently, gigabyte put out a totally defective power supply and was really lovely about their response to it.
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Mar 27, 2022 17:42
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Playing a game on my 3600XT (obviously not a full load stress test but it puts a core or two at 4.2GHz) that EDC meter never exceeds 52% of 125 A
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I’m trying to find a way to minimize the power draw of my 3900X on a X570 board at idle including but not limited to PPT tweaks (can I even go down to 40w maybe?), capping VCore below 1V (not even sure if anything would run if I set it to like .3V?) and disabling half or more of the cores. Most of the options don’t seem to really matter much for idle compared to peak usage but I’m trying to not spend more money to save less money essentially (the server I’m replacing has lasted 10 years and sipped 25w + drives and I’d be happy to get to about 35w idle for 10 more years). Basically I’m trying to convert my system to succeed my existing home server and would prefer it to take as little power as possible without having to resort to buying another CPU. I know I won’t get below 25w draw from the wall almost certainly due to chipset power draw as well as PSU efficiency loss, but it’s something I can accept for the manageability features and such. Ideas?
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necrobobsledder posted:I’m trying to find a way to minimize the power draw of my 3900X on a X570 board at idle including but not limited to PPT tweaks (can I even go down to 40w maybe?), capping VCore below 1V (not even sure if anything would run if I set it to like .3V?) and disabling half or more of the cores. Most of the options don’t seem to really matter much for idle compared to peak usage but I’m trying to not spend more money to save less money essentially (the server I’m replacing has lasted 10 years and sipped 25w + drives and I’d be happy to get to about 35w idle for 10 more years). Basically I’m trying to convert my system to succeed my existing home server and would prefer it to take as little power as possible without having to resort to buying another CPU. I know I won’t get below 25w draw from the wall almost certainly due to chipset power draw as well as PSU efficiency loss, but it’s something I can accept for the manageability features and such. Ideas? 1. Zen 2 desktop CPU is really not the ideal low-power system: the SOC I/O die eats 12-15W constantly. And the mobo chipset is basically another of the same thing. The I/O dies weren't really designed for minimum power use, they were made for desktops & servers. 2. Cutting the PPT down to a lower number will make the CPU consume less power under load, but doesn't really change behavior that much at idle. A home server that sits idle most of the time. 3. Thus, negative voltage offsets to the CPU and SOC will have the most effect for you. Negative voltage offset to the CPU is afaik fairly easy -- the CPU does some compensation by running slower to match the internal power curve. Still need to test the result for stability of course. Lowering voltage to the SOC is not so forgiving. You'll want to run the RAM and the infinity fabric clock slower to stay stable, and test the heck out of it. Corrupting your memory or storage i/o 4. The 3900X has no iGPU and not every mobo will run headless. Have you tested that yet? 5. Honestly you could sell the 3900X + X570 pair, buy something that would consume less power with zero tweaking (5600G + B550 for example), and end up with more money than you started with.
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Cygni posted:GN did a retrospective piece not too long ago: Winners use 6 cores. Thanks for this, I was kinda curious how the 1100T box I just replaced with a 5600X stood up. Browsing and some light audio encoding was no problem at all, but yeah games stopped working well, or at all. Hopefully the same way I went from the Tri-Core 720 (with the 4th core unlocked, thanks SHSC!) to the 1100, in a few years I can swap out the 5600X with whatever the top of the line ends up and ride it till it falls apart.
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oh conclusion to my saga: in addition to the game mode trap, i figured it out, check out my now non insane voltages (or possibly just sanely reported voltages) leaving PBO in "AUTO" apparently fucks it up, you have to turn it on manually in your bios to "ENABLED". a million dumb reddit threads and tips and tricks and that one worked, lol. i am still not sure if it was actually pumping mad volts or it was just a reporting error, something to do with how often the voltage gets polled apparently would misrepresent the true value in some situations, so idk if this fix just tells it to stop switching pbo off and on or something which caused a reported higher voltage or what. but for if anyone else has this problem there you go.
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redeyes posted:Normal. Aside from selling a PSU that was also an IED I don't think anything out of the ordinary for motherboard manufacturers. I have an AM3 and an AM4 Gigabyte motherboard and both have been just fine for me.
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Their LGA1700 motherboards have been kinda shaky. They've especially been struggling with DDR5 support, with many of their motherboards being unable to hit even modest XMP profiles.
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I feel I should say that on my AM4 board I've been avoiding beta BIOS after a couple serious issues when I did try them out. I don't really trust any motherboard manufacturer at this point, and have my own irrational prejudices from personal experience. Like I tend to avoid ASUS boards due to headaches I had with one or two in the past, even though intellectually I know those were just specific iffy boards and there are perfectly decent ASUS boards out there.
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Ah ok. Im currently using a Gigabyte X570 aorus pro wifi which has been pretty good overall. I guess I should check and see if its overvolting my 3900x somehow.
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MSI posted their AGESA roadmap for people trying to wrap their head around BIOS versions, fTPM, and all that nonsense leading up to the CPUs coming out this month.MSI posted:Most AMD’s newly launched Ryzen processors will be available on the market in April. Here is the MSI motherboard support list for the new processors and the 1.2.0.6c /1.2.0.7 BIOS plan.  https://reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/ttk746/msi_motherboard_bios_support_list_for_amd_newly/ kliras fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Apr 1, 2022 |
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There are some reports of issues (for whatever thats worth) with AGESA 1.2.0.6c, including performance regression. If you arent getting a 5800X3D at launch on   4/20 , probably would suggest waiting until the 1.2.0.7 update.
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Cygni posted:There are some reports of issues (for whatever thats worth) with AGESA 1.2.0.6c, including performance regression. If you arent getting a 5800X3D at launch on Yeah everything I've been reading is that the latest AGESA's up to .6b/c are buggy as heck. Performance drops, voltage drops, stuttering issues, etc. Definitely waiting until May for the .7 to drop.
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AGESA 1.2.0.3c seems to be the last non-buggy release by most accounts. By some lucky download timing I'm on MSI's E7C35AMS.AA0 which was based on 1.2.0.3b. MSI's website says I downloaded this on 2022/03/5-7:59:20, so they must have released the newer, buggier code based on 1.2.0.4 and later quite recently. I think I'll stay at this version for a longish while unless bugs are reported against it too. BIOS updates are extremely easy to apply but still annoyingly time-consuming since MSI provide no easy means to merge in your settings changes from previous BIOS versions. I take pics of the settings pages and go through by hand and update after each update, not a fun process. Shelled out the $25 for the Infineon dTPM since I do want the TPM based features and was using the fTPM until a month ago. So there's no need to upgrade on that count when 1.2.0.7 comes out.
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v1ld posted:Shelled out the $25 for the Infineon dTPM since I do want the TPM based features and was using the fTPM until a month ago. So there's no need to upgrade on that count when 1.2.0.7 comes out. Hey as a bit of an aside, what features do you get with a dTPM?
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Stanley Pain posted:Hey as a bit of an aside, what features do you get with a dTPM? Windows features that need a TPM are here: TPM and Windows Features. For me it's mostly Secure Boot and the like, not encryption.
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v1ld posted:Windows features that need a TPM are here: TPM and Windows Features. For me it's mostly Secure Boot and the like, not encryption. I’d thought that an fTPM would work for those things too, thanks for the clarification!
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Subjunctive posted:I’d thought that an fTPM would work for those things too, thanks for the clarification! Sorry, I wasn't clear: all of those features will work with any *TPM that supports 2.0, which the fTPM in Ryzen CPUs does. I went to a dTPM to avoid the bios issues in recent AMD releases when the fTPM is enabled, dTPMs are not affected.
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When the fTPM is working as intended I think it just comes down to who/what you trust more, AMD/Intels secure enclave or a dedicated chip from Infineon or whoever The functionality is the same either way
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Ah cool, thanks for the responses.
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Do we think AMD will further compete in price for 5000 series wrt intel 12 series? I want to get something like 5700-5900x but the prices aren’t really that good especially considering 7000 series are close and are rumoured to hit 25% uplift (cache, clock, ipc) Just looking to drop in a 5000 series into a b350 board and ride it out like a sandybridge 
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Micro center has the 5800x for $319 and the 12700k at $359 right now. Prices will probably only go one direction from here…
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mdxi posted:For a while there on r/AMD, a bit after the 5000 series CPU rollouts, there was a small-ish but very vocal contingent of people who were reporting weird USB HID layer dropouts. Super late reply but this was what plagued my audio interface for a solid year before ASUS released a BIOS that fixed it in one way or another. I spent months with both Yamaha and Discord 3rd tiers scratching their heads at what was causing the errors and drop outs, because in standard daily use it was fine, but the moment I started streaming on Discord audio got weird.
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AMD (finally) is adding more midrange parts. Reminder that Zen 3 launched in 2020, lol. Ryzen 5 5500, 5600 (non-X), and 5700X launched today. Also a 4100, 4500, and 4600G based on Cezanne (Zen 2). https://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-5700x-and-ryzen-5-4500-5500-5600-benchmarks https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-5-5600-and-ryzen-5-5500-review 
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