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Apr 3, 2022 07:21
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Booky posted:plus she said monarchies weren't always evil?? (along with the classic, 'killing 10k people makes ur character irredeemable') The monarchy one didn't bother me too much (at least not with a charitable reading). Ankh-Morpork in Discworld has an autocratic ruler and it's portrayed as both not ideal and genuinely better than previous governments.
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Apr 3, 2022 08:23
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On a fundamental level all writing, including fiction, is an attempt to convey an idea or ideas about the world to the audience. Orchard only seems to half-understand this and the result is a series of writing tips exclusively interested in defining what ideas ought to be expressed, rather than advice for improving conveyance. If Orchard was capable of moving beyond aesthetic and ideological grievance with her narrow and blinkered perception of what ideas she thinks shows like SU and SPOP were trying to convey, it'd be a different or nonexistent thread. DoctorWhat fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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Apr 3, 2022 08:28
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The monarchy one didn't bother me too much (at least not with a charitable reading). Ankh-Morpork in Discworld has an autocratic ruler and it's portrayed as both not ideal and genuinely better than previous governments. It's a huge shame we never got to see a post-Vetinari Ankh-Mopork. I'd love to know if the systems he built would actually survive him.
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Apr 3, 2022 09:00
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Booky posted:
If you are operating under the premises that governments can be good, having a figurehead King with no political power and a democratically elected prime minister is really no different from a government that's the same except with a president.What you call your leader is irrelevant. For example very few of Swedens problems are because of the monarchy(like the rest of the world it'smostly because of bigotry and capitalism). And the US has a way more politically powerful aristocracy than we do, despite being a Republic.
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Apr 3, 2022 09:25
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Fil5000 posted:It's a huge shame we never got to see a post-Vetinari Ankh-Mopork. I'd love to know if the systems he built would actually survive him. My guess is that Moist would have ended up somewhere very near the seat of power if Pratchett had written a post-Vetinari story.
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Apr 3, 2022 09:27
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i'm not going to look out for the whole 1k tips but i remember being very confused by the "don't let storyboarders write, let the writers write" because at the time I genuinely thought the tips were aimed at aspiring writers
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Apr 3, 2022 10:20
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I went through lily orchard's deleted thread and well it sucks. I didn't get too much positive from it and it was basically pages of still being mad at Shera and Steven Universe. Afterwards, anything I heard of her was unpleasantness.
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Apr 3, 2022 10:41
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Hel posted:If you are operating under the premises that governments can be good, having a figurehead King with no political power and a democratically elected prime minister is really no different from a government that's the same except with a president.What you call your leader is irrelevant. A monarchy where the monarch has no power is very much a monarchy in name only
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Apr 3, 2022 10:46
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Doctor Spaceman posted:My guess is that Moist would have ended up somewhere very near the seat of power if Pratchett had written a post-Vetinari story. Given it's One Man, One Vote, I assumed the endpoint was grooming Moist as a successor. Training him on fixing all the individual aspects of the city, then Vetinari voting Moist as the new Patrician to manage all of it with that accumulated knowledge of how the whole city worked. Likely at the start of a hypothetical book and then leaving Moist to his own devices as usual.
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Apr 3, 2022 11:01
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Groovelord Neato posted:50 Shades of Grey was a Twilight fanfic whose original title was the same as He-Man's show so I concur. Counterpoint: The Vorkosigan books started as Startrek Fanfic and they turned out good imho.
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Apr 3, 2022 11:07
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Njashi9 posted:Well this might be the first 5 hour essay i'll watch on Youtube. Already killing it with that opening Wait did he upload it without sound? E. Glancing at his twitter it looks like the mobile version doesn't play any sound, which seems like a loving nightmare problem for such a big upload. Vagabong fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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Apr 3, 2022 11:29
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Njashi9 posted:Well this might be the first 5 hour essay i'll watch on Youtube. It's been 6 hours and YT still just gives me an error if I try to increase the resolution above 360p. Is it usually that slow to process big videos? It's not like I'm trying to go to 4k here, just 720p. I assume it will eventually also be available in 1080p at least but it just says 'Missing Options' for that atm. E: I would wait but I'm currently stuck waiting for my dataset to get processed for another like 80 mins and it would be nice to have something to watch Insurrectionist fucked around with this message at 12:20 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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Apr 3, 2022 12:18
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Andrast posted:A monarchy where the monarch has no power is very much a monarchy in name only if a state has a monarch as their head of state, it is a monarchy, regardless of how much power the monarch has or not. in scandinavian countries the reigning monarch has a power of veto over laws and propositions, and is the one that signs paper on any new government that gets formed. iceland is still a republic even though their president is just a symbolic figurehead without any real power
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Apr 3, 2022 12:26
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The Saddest Rhino posted:i'm not going to look out for the whole 1k tips but i remember being very confused by the "don't let storyboarders write, let the writers write" because at the time I genuinely thought the tips were aimed at aspiring writers It's also a rough summary of the Marvel Method of writing comic (artists are given a loose plot outline and fill in the details before the finished art is passed back to the writer to fill in the dialogue) and that worked out pretty well.
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Apr 3, 2022 13:00
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Fil5000 posted:It's a huge shame we never got to see a post-Vetinari Ankh-Mopork. I'd love to know if the systems he built would actually survive him. Much as others have said Moist would probably take the job, I think the bigger factor would be how Vimes and Carrot would operate in a post Vetinari city. Vimes is so feared by the criminal underworld that crime rates actually go down when he's out of town because they're scared of what he'll do when he gets home. Carrot doesn't care about his royal lineage one bit but he's just too good a person to let the city fall into anarchy either. I think you'd end up seeing a Moist Von Lipwig patrician propped up by the City Watch to maintain order during the transition period.
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Apr 3, 2022 14:38
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ThorHighHeels did a video about CHAOS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYeAAs9Pea4
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Apr 3, 2022 15:27
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The monarchy one didn't bother me too much (at least not with a charitable reading). Ankh-Morpork in Discworld has an autocratic ruler and it's portrayed as both not ideal and genuinely better than previous governments. Do you mean before the Patricians? Because they had a monarchy then that was overthrown, so yeah it sucked, but the line of Patricians that replaced it were also complete nutjobs and wackos indistinguishable from the monarchy until Vetinari. I agree though it's a shame Pratchett wasn't able to properly "wrap up" the obvious trajectory Vetinari was pushing Ankh-Morpork down. Vetinari knew that everything would go back to poo poo as soon as he wasn't in power anymore. Maybe it's safe to assume he was winding up to the next phase in "still kind of sucks but slightly less than the last" government of an elected parliament + prime minister in place of a petty lord loving with everything on a whim? Arc Hammer posted:Much as others have said Moist would probably take the job, I think the bigger factor would be how Vimes and Carrot would operate in a post Vetinari city. Vimes is so feared by the criminal underworld that crime rates actually go down when he's out of town because they're scared of what he'll do when he gets home. Carrot doesn't care about his royal lineage one bit but he's just too good a person to let the city fall into anarchy either. So much of Vimes' arc within Ankh-Morpork was shifting the city watch away from being an incompetent and incurably corrupt institution. I don't imagine they'd reach a world without cops in Ankh-Morpork, but at least an optimistic one where they're clean, keep the city safe, and kept in check would happen. This is, after all, still a fantasy series. Carrot would either stick around being a good public servant or maybe if there was some elected government, then he'd swap to that instead. Augus posted:ThorHighHeels did a video about CHAOS From everything I've heard about Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin, I appreciate Team Ninja trying to further refine the Nioh engine/system but I remained perennially baffled at whoever they keep on their writing staff for their games. It's like they keep them sealed in cryogenic pods and only release them for a few weeks every year, so they've barely aged or advanced mentally beyond when they were initially locked within in 2006.
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Apr 3, 2022 16:33
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The Saddest Rhino posted:i'm not going to look out for the whole 1k tips but i remember being very confused by the "don't let storyboarders write, let the writers write" because at the time I genuinely thought the tips were aimed at aspiring writers It's another "Steven Universe Bad" subtweet like a good chunk of the rest of the "advice." To advertise Diregentleman again, they did a reaction vid to the whole thread that adds some detail, if you have a couple hours to waste: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NczXHd0vooc
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Apr 3, 2022 16:35
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lily is basically mad that the children's cartoon about love and forgiveness didn't end with the pacifist main character (steven) murdering the villains (the diamonds). but it was okay that aang didn't, because lily likes that children's cartoon. so that's different being aroace, some of her other tweets from that thread.... "there's never a reason to have a sex scene", "sexual awakening is not a character arc", "there's no real difference between a platonic relationship and a romantic one", "chemistry is the first and quickest thing to fade in a relationship". it's making me wonder. idk if she's anywhere near that spectrum but... if I was completely oblivious to my asexuality and lack of attraction to people, these might be things i'd say-- if I only had a surface-level grasp of storytelling and character writing, that is it's kind of lovely to speculate about a person like that so i apologize in advance. but throughout the 101 tips there's a LOT of projection going on The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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Apr 3, 2022 16:54
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My favorite tweet in the writing advice thread was "bows are strength weapons, not dex weapons"
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Apr 3, 2022 16:56
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I poured most of my IRL stat points into Charisma, so I'm only allowed to use divine spells and the occasional gimmick weapon IRL.
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Apr 3, 2022 17:14
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The 7th Guest posted:being aroace, some of her other tweets from that thread.... "there's never a reason to have a sex scene", "sexual awakening is not a character arc", "there's no real difference between a platonic relationship and a romantic one", "chemistry is the first and quickest thing to fade in a relationship". it's making me wonder. idk if she's anywhere near that spectrum but... if I was completely oblivious to my asexuality and lack of attraction to people, these might be things i'd say-- if I only had a surface-level grasp of storytelling and character writing, that is I assumed it was some kind of trauma about fighting in relationships leading her to reject anything that isn't conflict-free fluffy romance. Could be either or both things. Ultimately the main point is just that it's really weird that she fixates on it to that level.
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Apr 3, 2022 17:26
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Augus posted:ThorHighHeels did a video about CHAOS The game is DOOM 2016 of character action games.
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Apr 3, 2022 17:45
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's also a rough summary of the Marvel Method of writing comic (artists are given a loose plot outline and fill in the details before the finished art is passed back to the writer to fill in the dialogue) and that worked out pretty well. It's also been a very common set-up in the animation industry pretty much since its inception, and betrays LilyOrchard's unfamiliarity with the actual process that goes into creating animation. While there are animated works that have separate writers and storyboarders, the two disciplines are very heavily linked and are often expected to pick up some of the other's skillsets. I think the attitude Lily has is very heavily informed by the common fallacy that "writing" is a part of the storytelling process that only deals in putting words to paper and that the visuals of a work are separate from it, rather than the two being tightly intertwined to the point of being inseparable. A cartoon told entirely without dialogue is still written and a cartoon that is just two people sitting in a room talking to each other will need to be storyboarded. The 7th Guest posted:
Coming at this from the opposite end of the spectrum: As someone who writes and draws pornography on the side I definitely picked up on Lily's focused hostility on any depiction of sex, eroticism or sexuality and got some very strong vibes of projection on her part. So many of these "tips" just involved me thinking to myself "But I'm making pornography, how does that hurt you, as an individual?"
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Apr 3, 2022 17:53
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Yea I obviously can't say what her 'deal' is but she certainly does show a genuine hostility to sexuality in media in general that's likely wrapped up in something
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Apr 3, 2022 18:19
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Somebody should introduce her to Jonathan McIntosh. Oh the tweets they could get up to.
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Apr 3, 2022 18:44
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Alaois posted:My favorite tweet in the writing advice thread was "bows are strength weapons, not dex weapons" eh thats probably one of the least controversial ones. drawing a proper warbow is a LOT harder than it looks
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Apr 3, 2022 18:53
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CYBEReris posted:eh thats probably one of the least controversial ones. drawing a proper warbow is a LOT harder than it looks Its also not writing advice
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Apr 3, 2022 18:57
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EVERY weapon, except I guess drones, takes a measure of strength and coordination to wield properly. Saying it's writing advice that archers have to be strong is the kind of fundamental misunderstanding that comes from critiquing the writing of 10 year olds and believing that makes you brilliant.
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Apr 3, 2022 19:01
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Alaois posted:My favorite tweet in the writing advice thread was "bows are strength weapons, not dex weapons" I mean, if you want to get technical, bows require both Strength and Dexterity, where heavier bows like greatbows and such require a higher strength to carry. However, two-handing weapons effectively doubles you STR stat for said weapon, allowing you to use weapons you normally wouldn't be able to without leveling up the stat. Since it's impossible to use a bow one-handed, though, all the STR requirements for bows should actually be half of what they are for a better representation of their usability. Where DEX comes into play is in improving the weapon, since solely improving the weapon's DEX gives it a much higher scaling (S at max), and thus much higher damage output, as opposed to the scaling for improving both stats (C for both at max). EDIT: Wait, this isn't the Demon's Souls thread... ...Ah, well, still fits. Booky posted:plus she said monarchies weren't always evil?? Given that monarchy (from what I learned) stems the notion that people become rulers because they're of divine blood, and given that around that time, MovieBob also defended monarchy, the thought crosses my mind that the people who defend monarchy might also think they themselves would be ordained as rulers. Someone mentioned earlier that Lily also thought anarchy was bad, which I'm curious to know more about. Booky posted:also on the earlier topic, lily orchard is also the same person who yelled about in a vid (and tweeted in that infamous thread) how zuko simply Doesn't Count as a redemption arc (for some reason????), unlike those Mean Ladies from the Shows She Hates!! (and also the anarchy is bad so korra is bad for having anarchists in it + thinly veiled incoherent whining about kids shows with lesbians bits) In that Diregentleman video, they call out a tip pertaining to that: Lily Orchard posted:(63) Related to the above: A good spin on the "Heroes who never kill" mantra is to highlight how refusing to kill a villain who later goes on to kill more innocent people makes the hero responsible for those deaths. There's a a free story them for ya They point out that (apart from being yet another stab at Steven Universe) the idea of killing a villain to prevent them from killing more people in the future falls into the realm of "Dirty Harry-esqe cops who shoot first, ask questions later", which is something that people frown upon nowadays.
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Apr 3, 2022 19:14
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Max Wilco posted:They point out that (apart from being yet another stab at Steven Universe) the idea of killing a villain to prevent them from killing more people in the future falls into the realm of "Dirty Harry-esqe cops who shoot first, ask questions later", which is something that people frown upon nowadays. It also assumes that the only available ways to deal with villains are "murder" or "let go." Alaois posted:Its also not writing advice A lot of her writing advice isn't: 
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Apr 3, 2022 19:24
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ulvir posted:if a state has a monarch as their head of state, it is a monarchy, regardless of how much power the monarch has or not. in scandinavian countries the reigning monarch has a power of veto over laws and propositions, and is the one that signs paper on any new government that gets formed. iceland is still a republic even though their president is just a symbolic figurehead without any real power Yes like I said, monarchy in name only Andrast fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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Apr 3, 2022 19:38
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Andrast posted:Yes like i said, monarchy in name only You seem confused , absolute monarchy is not the only type of monarchy.
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Apr 3, 2022 19:43
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Hel posted:You seem confused , absolute monarchy is not the only type of monarchy. nobody who says "Monarchy is bad" when it comes to governance means stuff like sweden so it's incredibly pointless to make the distinction in this case Andrast fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Apr 3, 2022 |
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Apr 3, 2022 19:44
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If you still have a king or queen in tyool 2022 your country is a joke
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Apr 3, 2022 19:45
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Gaius Marius posted:If you still have a king or queen in tyool 2022 your country is a joke also true
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Apr 3, 2022 19:46
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Gaius Marius posted:If you still have a king or queen in tyool 2022 your country is a joke I'd say England is a joke, but I don't think anybody's sure whether they still have a queen or not.
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Apr 3, 2022 19:55
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Goon Boots posted:whew, only 9,999 so i'm still in the clear! Story idea: A serial killer and his brother, a space ship captain. Setting: A David Weber novel The serial killer murders his way through society, one kill at a time. The captain gets embroilled in a war when Space Nazi Nation invades. Big missiles are fired back and forth. Eventually, both the killer and the captain die. A celestial bureaucracy sits down in judgement over their lives. But uh oh, even though the captain was the nicest man alive, his war kill count has reached exactly 100001 deaths. The celestial judge pushes a button and the captain falls through a trap door into hell. He is damned forever. The serial killer however only managed to get ca. 69k kills until a police bullet stopped him, so he gets a second chance, he is reborn. The last sentence of the story reveals: He was reborn as Jack the Ripper. Grondoth posted:EVERY weapon, except I guess drones, takes a measure of strength and coordination to wield properly. Saying it's writing advice that archers have to be strong is the kind of fundamental misunderstanding that comes from critiquing the writing of 10 year olds and believing that makes you brilliant. Sometimes literally. A gun without ammo is basically a club, after all.  Andrast posted:nobody who says "Monarchy is bad" when it comes to governance means stuff like sweden so it's incredibly pointless to make the distinction in this case only if you're ignorant enough to think absolute and constitutional (in the modern sense) are literally the only two options in the monarchy-game
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Apr 3, 2022 20:11
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Grondoth posted:EVERY weapon, except I guess drones, takes a measure of strength and coordination to wield properly. Saying it's writing advice that archers have to be strong is the kind of fundamental misunderstanding that comes from critiquing the writing of 10 year olds and believing that makes you brilliant. The point here is more "if you're worrying more about about the physics of wielding a weapon versus the role in the story the action has you're probably already in trouble here". Good writing isn't about defending against CinemaSins nitpickingl obeying the laws of physics is pretty low on the list of priorities for fiction.
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