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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:What are the troops doing now I wonder. On both sides. Site like dead quiet Intel wise. We do know the Ukrainians repelled an attack on a north village near the JFO. Otherwise where are troops repositioning? Well the Russians are pulling out of Sumy as fast as they can https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1510758178841051136?t=cltPNtvS-4N6haNtEXFGUw&s=19 Note: the videos come up as sensitive but they just show large Russian tank convoys pulling out of Ukraine. Unless Russian failure is considered porn now.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:What are the troops doing now I wonder. On both sides. Site like dead quiet Intel wise. We do know the Ukrainians repelled an attack on a north village near the JFO. Otherwise where are troops repositioning? FIRMS seems to imply somewhat lower intensity of fighting than usual in the east, but there is clearly fighting south of Izyum where the Russians are still attempting to advance. Otherwise, the normal intense battles happening at the LoC. There still does not appear to be much happening in Kherson. It's unclear to me what Ukraine's plan is there. There are apparently 4-5 BTGs worth of Russian strength in that area, although they may be depleted by the fighting. That's still an enormous lift to liberate unless they just straight flee the town.
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mutata posted:Oh no! A ban on imports, you say?! Yup, pretty much. It's a very low bar. But halting the $500 million / year German-Russian fossil fuel addiction is a critical first step to further European action. They talk about it in this summary update, which includes photo coverage of Russian atrocities. NYT posted:“The Russian authorities will have to answer for these crimes,” said France’s president, Emmanuel Macron. Poland’s prime minister, Mateusz Morawiecki, called the actions of the Russian army in Bucha and other towns around Kyiv “acts of genocide.” And António Guterres, the United Nations secretary general, expressing “shock” over the images of dead civilians, said: “It is essential that an independent investigation leads to effective accountability.”  https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1510756559017680898 Kaal fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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KitConstantine posted:Well the Russians are pulling out of Sumy as fast as they can First video looks to me like a good chunk of a BTG's worth of conventional heavy artillery, I counted 8 self-propelled howitzers (Msta-S) and I think one BTG is supposed to have 12 at least? Second video looks like self-propelled AA, probably Buks. Also interesting to see them towing things, I saw at least two BMP's being towed by other AFV's.
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An earlier poster declared that he "was tired of Russia's poo poo." It is increasingly difficult for nations to typify Russia's invasion as an affair of state, however illegal. Evidence of wanton genocide, given Europe's memory and vows to not repeat that crime, must be answered. I'm not sure what form that will take but it will represent hardening attitudes. Putin has crossed a very bright line. There is no return from that. Putin will never again be warmly greeted in Europe. poo poo, even the US had fun with Nikita. That's over for Putin. 
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Archonex posted:I saw a picture on twitter earlier that showed this. Some kid, couldn't be more than maybe six or seven had been stripped naked save for the white armband tied what appeared to have been very tightly around his throat. What I can only assume was his family were around his corpse, shot dead, having been piled into the room with him. loving horrifying. jesus i havent seen that one yet  i think its probably a mix of reasons, my guess is its a mix of "loving kill all the Ukrainians because they didn't greet us and are subhuman fucks" genocidish reason and also a mix of "anti partisan" bullshit mixed with "gently caress it the UA is coming and we will die if caught, do whatever you want everyone is killable or worse" like the IJA/IJN in Manilla.
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quote:The Ukrainian military intelligence described the incident as an ingenious way to "offer resistance to the occupying troops by all possible means". I remember hearing about the poisoned baked goods, but spiking the alcohol seems new. Anyways that is a lot of troops to be out of combat at once  descriptions of warcriminghttps://mobile.twitter.com/Mylovanov/status/1510636403784364038 While we are on war criming comparisons let’s not forget we haven’t yet seen all the ‘liberated’ towns
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Dapper_Swindler posted:jesus i havent seen that one yet In the first week or two, it's easy to imagine that there were a substantial number of "innocent" Russians who didn't want to war crime, thought they were out for training, or thought they were going to be tearing down swastika flags to liberate cities terrorized by Nazis. I'm guessing those people have been filtered out, either by desertion, surrender, etc. The people who are left know what they're doing, and they like it.
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d64 posted:Orbán, having secured a clear victory in the polls tonight, apparently cited a longish list of enemies of Hungary in his victory speech; the list included the left, the bureaucracy in Brussels, international Media, and president Zelenskyy.  Is there a source?
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Untrained conscripts and poorly trained soldiers are also very likely to war crime. From our experience in Vietnam, we learned that you really have to make the rules of war a real focus as part of their training.
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Rigel posted:Untrained conscripts and poorly trained soldiers are also very likely to war crime. From our experience in Vietnam, we learned that you really have to make the rules of war a real focus as part of their training. Honestly one of the few good things to come out of Vietnam was the end of the draft and the transition to an all volunteer forces. It doesn’t eliminate war criming, but it sure helps…among tons of other positive benefits.
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Pizdec posted:Zelenskyy? It's gotten so that if someone says "Orban said it", whatever the gently caress it is, I believe it.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:In the first week or two, it's easy to imagine that there were a substantial number of "innocent" Russians who didn't want to war crime, thought they were out for training, or thought they were going to be tearing down swastika flags to liberate cities terrorized by Nazis. i don't think its all of them. but Russians conscription is a loving bad fate on its own and authoritarian armies systems of abuse usually go down and then out. that being said, the poo poo i am seeing/reading/etc. goes into "holy gently caress this is out and out genocide/ethnic cleansing" territory.
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KillHour posted:Poland bought 250 M1A2 SEPv3 MBTs from us and deliveries are supposed to be this year. Everything I can find says these tanks have the full-fat Chobham armor with DU inserts. I think there's a newer, even better DU armor that has additional layers of graphite or something, and the ones going to Poland probably don't have the Trophy APS (Since Israel would have to agree to it)? But in any case, there are a good number of modern Abrams tanks already earmarked for shipment very near Russia's doorstep. Also we offered to give Greece 400 M1A1's for free like 10 years ago and nobody knows if they took them or not Okay, but they do not have depleted uranium armor, which is my original point as to why, even in the United States was inclined to give Ukraine any variant of the M1, it would not ever be from the United States’ stockpiles of tanks using depleted uranium armor. I was merely trying to stress that the export variants of the MBT are very different than the American version and use standard materials for their armor schema. So it’s not now, nor ever going to be, a matter of “hey we have a bunch of M1’s lying around in storage for American use… let’s just send those over.” Leaving aside completely the number of specialized mechanics the M1 requires—I believe it’s 3–that take 6 months to train, or the fact that the M1’s turbine engine, which uses 3 gallons of fuel for every mile on the road it traverses, requires a very specialized fuel similar to aviation jet fuel. Giving the Ukrainians Army any version of the M1 is completely impractical, and giving them any home use American variant impossible.
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ZombieLenin posted:Okay, but they do not have depleted uranium armor, which is my original point as to why, even in the United States was inclined to give Ukraine any variant of the M1, it would not ever be from the United States’ stockpiles of tanks using depleted uranium armor. Isn’t the idea of the M1s engine that it can run on anything from kerosene to bunker fuel?
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Read more to understand why this non-NATO insect can be deadly to Russians. https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1510751701237739524
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Archonex posted:I saw a picture on twitter earlier that showed this. Some kid, couldn't be more than maybe six or seven had been stripped naked save for the white armband tied what appeared to have been very tightly around his throat. What I can only assume was his family were around his corpse, shot dead, having been piled into the room with him. loving horrifying. That extremely sounds like some kind of rape related thing, jesus christ.
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the popes toes posted:Read more to understand why this non-NATO insect can be deadly to Russians. Hunter Biden is weaponizing Ukrainian bees!
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gay picnic defence posted:Isn’t the idea of the M1s engine that it can run on anything from kerosene to bunker fuel? To my knowledge the turbine runs on specialized fuel as its “standard” fuel when used by states who posses M1 variants. Whether or not ‘anything’ can fuel it in an emergency is something someone else would have to answer (there are former American tankers around here so maybe they can chime in); however my guess is that it may be able to run on something close to pure alcohol, which could be easily manufactured from just about any organic material in the case your logistical chain gets broken by say… nuclear war, but that wouldn’t be very good for the long term life of the engine.
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ZombieLenin posted:Okay, but they do not have depleted uranium armor, which is my original point as to why, even in the United States was inclined to give Ukraine any variant of the M1, it would not ever be from the United States’ stockpiles of tanks using depleted uranium armor. I literally just said it has the DU armor in my post.
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The turbine on m1 runs on multiple different fuels, you can totally put your standard t-72 diesel fuel in it and it works just fine. The ”special fuel” you mean is JP8, the aircraft kerosene that U.S has adopted as its singular logistics make-things-go juice. since US had a massive budget they were able to reach the logistical Holy grail of ”everything flying abd driving runs on single type of fuel” barring few exemptions (the sergeant majors lawn mower and the school bus on post still takes MOGAS aka gasoline) This is expensive since it puts an additional requirement to procurement process, But If feasible means you dont have problem of having X amount of trucks hauling fuel 1 and Y amount of trucks hauling fuel 2.
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gay picnic defence posted:Isn’t the idea of the M1s engine that it can run on anything from kerosene to bunker fuel? Yeah, turbines are pretty forgiving. Aircraft often use special fuel formulations for safety more than anything. The US Army runs everything on JP-8 to simplify logistics, but other operators like Australia just run on regular diesel because that’s what their other ground vehicles use. I’m sure there are some differences in overhaul cycles and whatnot, but the kind of fuel would not be Ukraine’s problem. The amount of fuel might be! Like a lot of these weapon systems, technical knowledge for maintenance and training is probably the biggest barrier. The US might have the will to ship over Patriot, but not to have US advisors in the country to train and maintain the equipment. Maybe this stuff would have been useful if it had been shipped out last year, but there was an understandable concern about escalating the situation.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Hunter Biden is weaponizing Ukrainian bees!
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the popes toes posted:Read more to understand why this non-NATO insect can be deadly to Russians. Bees? Isn't it like below freezing in Ukraine right now?
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Cable Guy posted:Wait... was Hunter Biden in goonswarm too....? Hes got the "hosed in the head' requirement down Also how do we know the bees arent NATO aligned? Despera fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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ZombieLenin posted:To my knowledge the turbine runs on specialized fuel as its “standard” fuel when used by states who posses M1 variants. Whether or not ‘anything’ can fuel it in an emergency is something someone else would have to answer (there are former American tankers around here so maybe they can chime in); however my guess is that it may be able to run on something close to pure alcohol, which could be easily manufactured from just about any organic material in the case your logistical chain gets broken by say… nuclear war, but that wouldn’t be very good for the long term life of the engine. It can run on gasoline, diesel, marine diesel etc., with varying performance depending on the fuel. The US runs it on a jet fuel called JP-8. EDIT: Beaten twice by better responses. Right now, if you're a country in the NATO sphere in need of a modern MBT, the Abrams is probably the best bet if you want to procure a modern MBT and easy if you're not in the mood rely on T-series upgrade programs like Poland and Ukraine have done. The big hurdle is that turbine engines require a lot of technical training and know-how to keep and maintain. The US has warehouses crammed with every variant as well as tons of ammo, support personnel (presumably also stored in the factories), and spare parts. The British are replacing the Chal 2 by the end of the decade. Germany and France are likely to end their production of their tanks if they end up figuring out what they want to do with their join MBT development program (and France loves pulling out of joint development projects), so maybe some stockpiles of Leopard 2s and Leclercs are coming? But the former has had some understated problems over the last twenty years and is getting some bad buzz about its performance in the middle east while the latter is a weirdly obscure machine that can't be supplied in Abrams or T-series numbers. The other promising tanks like Korea's K2 and Japan's Type 10 seem great on paper, but exporting them to Europe is out of the question. They may hand out licenses to produce either, but not ship them outside of their hemisphere. Turkey is licensing the K2 to produce its own tank. I can try to answer a lot of tank questions to the best of my ability, but I work 12 hour shifts designing and producing parts that go into their electronic systems (though I prefer working on parts for things like pacemakers and other medical equipment- I feel weird making weapons) so I get like two hour windows to post before I have to go to bed. COVID has made my job a nightmare, and I feel like it's not going to get better any time soon. I have my first vacation in 3 years coming up, and it's only a week and I was begged not to turn my phone off. But hey, managed to finish Nanowrimo last year  EDIT 2: God that post was a mess. I need to go to bed. Coquito Ergo Sum fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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the popes toes posted:Read more to understand why this non-NATO insect can be deadly to Russians. I have an alibi. (Also, they probably trashed the hive so the bees went into "screw you" mode. Supposedly diesel exhaust will set them off but I think that is more of an urban legend.)
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cr0y posted:Bees? Isn't it like below freezing in Ukraine right now? My rudimentary googling of the area mentioned says it's south of Kherson which isn't freezing at the moment. Highly likely it's an exaggerated story about some soldiers getting some nasty stings.
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Scapegoat posted:My rudimentary googling of the area mentioned says it's south of Kherson which isn't freezing at the moment. Highly likely it's an exaggerated story about some soldiers getting some nasty stings.
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the popes toes posted:An earlier poster declared that he "was tired of Russia's poo poo." Will it every be possible for Putin to set foot in a western country again without being immediately arrested and taken the the Hague? His future, should he set foot outside of Russia, is likely a cell next to Karadžič. They could sit around and rue how they would have built glorious empires, free from undesirables, if only it weren't for that meddling NATO  .
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Valtonen posted:The turbine on m1 runs on multiple different fuels, you can totally put your standard t-72 diesel fuel in it and it works just fine. Re-quoting to put recent Abrams question/answers into one post. Armor-chat: The original M1 and early M1A1 had composite armor colloquially called Chobham Armor. Later, the US began adding depleted uranium plates to the front hull and front #1 side skirts. These were colloquially called M1A1 "Heavies". When I was stationed there in the early 2000's, the armor battalions in Korea still had these, though by the late 90s the US was rolling out M1A2s, all of which supposedly used composite armor and depleted uranium, or maybe DU as part of the composite armor. Rumors abound about later versions of the M1A2 (SEP, SEP v2, etc.) getting upgrades to the underlying composite armor. It's very possible. I'm sure some GRU agent somewhere has the fun time of trying to lay out weight sensors on roads in Europe or something to try to weigh the darn things.
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Scapegoat posted:My rudimentary googling of the area mentioned says it's south of Kherson which isn't freezing at the moment. Highly likely it's an exaggerated story about some soldiers getting some nasty stings.
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Despera posted:Putins been persona non grata in Europe every since malaysian air flight 17 lets be honest do you mean when russian "volunteers" shot down an airplne
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KillHour posted:Same way Germany was dealt with after WWII - force them to forego a military and go salted earth on their political figures, then Marshall plan them into a western style democracy. It's not just about stopping Russia from doing this again but also about demonstrating what will happen to China if they try the same poo poo. I think you mean "clean up the backgrounds of the worst offenders and incorporate them into your intelligence networks."
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ISW's assessment for today (4/3):quote:Frederick W. Kagan, George Barros, and Karolina Hird
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I've only recently become aware that a lot of Americans still think Russia is a communist country, despite the very public collapse of the Soviet Union happening 30 years ago. Anyone else experienced this? Like nobody seems to have advanced past the Cold War in history class
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Hirsute posted:I've only recently become aware that a lot of Americans still think Russia is a communist country, despite the very public collapse of the Soviet Union happening 30 years ago. Anyone else experienced this? Like nobody seems to have advanced past the Cold War in history class Yep. With China it's at least a bit more understandable to miss the whole klepto-capitalism thing because it's still the CCP running things, but Russia hasn't even tried pretending to be socialist/communist in a very long time.
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