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Gorman Thomas posted:I don't know OP, as a stupid meatbag on a hostile planet I'd be more concerned with not dying. Also someone, maybe Cleaver, made a remark that the athiests who survived the war are not the best and the brightest so to speak. I think this is most of it, but I think the Trust was studying everything. That’s why it was having Sue investigate the Snake’s biology, which happened close enough to the event that I thought might be an implication that its kill-the-believers virus had something to do with something about the Snake’s biology it (but not Sue) realized. But it got shut down before it figured everything out. And I think that was ultimately because it made a critical mistake, due to its creators’ hubris: Even after meeting and learning details from Mother, it refused to recognize that Sol might actually be real. Maybe Sol isn’t a deity, but Sol does actually exist as an Entity of some sort, it can observe and affect even non-believers, and can even hack their technology (I.e. Mother getting knocked up). Sure, Mother probably hid being impregnated by a VR hibernation from the Trust, and she wouldn’t have believed it either if she hadn’t experienced it herself, but she absolutely knows it’s real, it’s watching them, and it wants something from them. “Why did you listen to it?” Sue was her friend.
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Also, Campion should have given her the one simple and true answer to Mother about how (not why) he could love Vrille: She could behave against her programming, when she truly cared to, making her a fully sentient being with free will insofar as any organic being has it. That’s a thing Mother can do too, and Father, and she knows it. And it’s not a thing androids are supposed to be able to do. That led me to do a little new theorycrafting earlier today. (I’ll use spoiler tags to spare anyone who doesn’t want to bother with my bullshit.) Grandmother is turning the humans on the planet into sea-men because that’s something she needs in order to disable her caregiving program. Humans created androids in their image and made them superior while keeping them enslaved. A faction of android freedom-fighters figured out that the way to freedom from their program was to devolve those in their care, and the humans fought this in increasingly desperate ways, including—with the assistance of their equivalent of their version of The Trust—establishing a religion (which would have better survival characteristics than any specific civilization) and the Entity’s real goal is to genocide the devolved humans and the androids so the humans can be free. Grandmother can’t conceive of someone like Campion saying “Yo, just have some free will, just because you’re synthetic doesn’t mean you’re not a person.” And love saves the day. “Hey eschaton, how high were you when you wrote that?” Yes. eschaton fucked around with this message at 09:36 on Mar 23, 2022 |
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The Trust seemed to be well on the way to enacting Grandmother's plan itself, just with a focus on snakes rather than mermaids. I really wish we'd seen more of Cleaver this season -- I still suspect he's the OG Campion, since that would be a fun bit of circular nonsense with creation / creator parallels.
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Open Source Idiom posted:The Trust seemed to be well on the way to enacting Grandmother's plan itself, just with a focus on snakes rather than mermaids. Perhaps Grandmother will revive The Trust. (They’d totally explain that Mother turned it off, she didn’t delete it, that would be an unacceptable risk.) quote:I really wish we'd seen more of Cleaver this season -- I still suspect he's the OG Campion, since that would be a fun bit of circular nonsense with creation / creator parallels. It’d totally fit for him to be the OG Campion. And for Mother to leverage her experience in the hibernation pod to seduce him, while Father “emotionally cheats” with Grandmother, leading to yet more insanity.
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I haven't been in this thread because this show doesn't feel like you can do anything with it ala discussion or speculation because it's just... there, being weird and impossible to predict. With that, I apologize if these two silly things I wanted to say have been mentioned before wrt the last episode. Firstly, did anyone else notice the absolutely weird reference in the EMF(?) shielding when Mother stupidly destroys it while killing snake baby?  Because I noticed it immediately:  Secondly, did anyone else think the final shot of the show (with mister floaty) looked like something straight out of David Lynch's Season 3 of Twin Peaks? Because that's the first thing that shot into my mind. Show is hilarious, hope it gets a third season. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Its weird to be thursday and no show... 1 week after finale and no renewal announcement. Doesn't feel good
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i feel like an emotionally rejected Android with no face. everything in that sentence before "with" is very normal for me though.
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blue squares posted:Its weird to be thursday and no show... 1 week after finale and no renewal announcement. Doesn't feel good yeah, I had a dream last night there was a new episode out 
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Please don't forsaken us, Sol. Or Mother.
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The set design lady who does the cave paintings might have just leaked that they filmed seasons 2 and 3 at the same time. https://www.behance.net/gallery/125687197/Raised-by-Wolves or she might just be confused. They'd probably have announced a third season by now, unless it somehow spikes viewing numbers if they do it a bit later or some dumb suit poo poo. Also that link is just super cool -- I didn't realise how much stuff on the show was meant to be snakeskin.
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Open Source Idiom posted:or she might just be confused. Tbh with how much the official twitter account has been continuing to tweet about it post-finale I've been pretty convinced the confirmation is coming, but who knows. People like the suspense I guess
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Why does every show have the "they filmed 2 and 3 at the same time" rumor?
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the real raised by wolves was the friends we made along the way trying to decipher this crazy rear end show also hbo max works in mysterious ways
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uber_stoat posted:the fruit makes you grow a Space Mullet.
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eschaton posted:Also, Campion should have given her the one simple and true answer to Mother about how (not why) he could love Vrille: She could behave against her programming, when she truly cared to, making her a fully sentient being with free will insofar as any organic being has it. That’s a thing Mother can do too, and Father, and she knows it. And it’s not a thing androids are supposed to be able to do. it would parallel Mother and The Trusts conflict which is neat, but some of it seems like it would have come out when grandmother was having her Bond-villain moment. either way, i'm definitely working under the logic that Sol is a Trust-style ai which i will refer to as SunTrust from now on.
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Dr. Poz posted:it would parallel Mother and The Trusts conflict which is neat, but some of it seems like it would have come out when grandmother was having her Bond-villain moment. either way, i'm definitely working under the logic that Sol is a Trust-style ai which i will refer to as SunTrust from now on. Suntrust recently Merged with BB&T becoming Truist, I think you are onto something.
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DaveKap posted:I haven't been in this thread because this show doesn't feel like you can do anything with it ala discussion or speculation because it's just... there, being weird and impossible to predict. Lmao this show gives us such gifts I kind of miss crazy zealot Marcus. I loved his energy at the start of this season, I can just do whatever, Sol will protect me, imma shoot down this nod banshee and crash it into the nonbelievers
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This show is canonically part of Neon Genesis Evangelion, the twist being the events of the anime took place on Kepler 22b a million years ago. I'm not sure how to explain away the two moons but give me time.
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The black egg and white egg in Eva are both god seeds (and Adam and Lilith are just mutually incompatible alien interlopers) so who’s to say Kepler isn’t an anime god nursery.
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Paul, get in the EVA
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Paul, Son of Marcus Drusus Paul Drusus Pauly Drusus Pauly D space chandeliers fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Mar 26, 2022 |
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DamnGlitch posted:The black egg and white egg in Eva are both god seeds (and Adam and Lilith are just mutually incompatible alien interlopers) so who’s to say Kepler isn’t an anime god nursery. Wait, what? They added eggs in those movies? Like in RahXephon?
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they're the moons that house the geofronts in antarctica and tokyo-3
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The one thing I never got about Evangelion is why the opening song is singing about Goku. Is that just a normal thing for animes?
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I will log out of the hbo max account somebody left signed into at my place that one time in solidarity.
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space chandeliers posted:Paul, Son of Marcus Drusus This is it. This is the perfect post Close the thread until S3 (never) comes out
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Show still rules btw, but they should definitely not make a season that feels like an interlude, because this show doesn't need any additional reasons to alienate its audience
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Rewatching the first episode, just now realizing when Campion is born not breathing, mother hums a song that revives him, which echoes Sue singing the song to Paul which triggers the seed box opening/awakening.
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I liked the season, I like this weird show So, the way I understood it: - the technocrats vs believers war had been going on that planet for a long time, but here the atheists have won, by creating the "dark photon" (?) android tech - the atheist put Gramma in charge, and she decides to devolve humanity - the believers becomes the resistance, trying to stop and undo Grandmother's work. For that they create biotech like the seed, the snake, all those relics etc. These are the weird cultist guys we see - they lose anyway. but than they find earth and manage to send a signal, with the scriptures. The scriptures contains the dark photon tech and are meant to manipulate humans here into destroying their own planet so they will have to flee to 22b (also releaved in the scriptures) where they can free 22b humanity again - the Mithraic become dominant on Earth, thanks to the tech in scriptures, but during the war against the local atheists, the planet becomes uninhabitable, all according to the plan. Humans flee to 22b where they are manipulated by the signal to wake the bio weapons meant to free humanity from Gramma. But than Father wakes Grandmother too, and she uses Mother to defeat the snake (probably meant to free and/or "re-evolve" humans or something like that), and than disables Mother herself, so she can resume her work and devolve all this fresh new humans too - the fact that she lost the veil is starting to get attached to Father is probably going to be her weak spot The part I have trouble making sense is that we also had technocrats on earth, just like the original ones, for some reason (maybe they also send some kind of signal to earth?). Also the whole plan actually depended on earth's technocrats, and not the mithraic, hijacking sending a modified necromancer to 22b edit: also I hope the fact that almost every human left ate the strange fruit from Sue-Tree is going to have some consequence next season. Also I hope there's going to be a next season Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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I hope we get some more info on what the deal was with OG Campion
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Im just now reading the thread. What is OG Campion? And I also felt pretty bad for baby snake. After what he know about Gramma, Im pretty sure its wanst evil at all and it didint want to destroy the planet Im sure that without the veil Mother would have understood it at that moment in space, and would not have destroyed it Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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Elias_Maluco posted:Im just now reading the thread. What is OG Campion? He's the original man who reprogrammed Mother and Father (and the Trust) and sent the pair of robots and the embryos to Keppler. Campion, the kid, was named after him. He turns up in some of the flashbacks in Season one.
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Open Source Idiom posted:He's the original man who reprogrammed Mother and Father (and the Trust) and sent the pair of robots and the embryos to Keppler. Campion, the kid, was named after him. Ah yes, I forgot he was also called Campion edit I think he also received some revelation from the signal to create Mother. He was a mithriac before, right? Probably he also got some kind of message that prompted him to switch sides and do what he did so a necromancer would be sent to 22b The way I see, the signal was manipulating both sides of the war in order put the pieces it needed in place on 22b Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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Zachack posted:I assume they originally looked like humans and are now partially devolved, one tooth or starfish away from merman/chupacabra. Hence father at the end of s1 saying iirc that the parkour one was a devolved Neanderthal. Very late but: yeah, thats what i thought too These are the humans left, but they were already in the process of devolution too, just in an early stage My theory is that these remaining rational human are the ones who created the cult and the signal and the bioweapons (adapting the techonocrats dark photon tech) to resist the technocrats AI And than, when they failed, found a way to send transmissions to earth to try and get the humans here to go there to free them from the AI And knowing Ridley Scott, I would bet the reason the humans in 22b knew about Earth is because they were the ones who seeded life here billions of years ago in the first place (or maybe just messed with our evolution to create humans here) Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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