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Aertuun posted:This is a bizarre statement. Chomsky has said many things in his life in many articles and interviews, but you just need to skim his recent interviews to see him calling Putin, in more articulate terms, a criminal and a fool. Discendo Vox posted:You may not be familiar with Chomsky’s broader output. You're completely correct that I'm not familiar with any output that shows him to be "OK with genocides". Though since no evidence has been provided at all to back this statement up, I can only speculate why you might want to make such a baseless accusation. However what I can read is the interview linked a few posts up from yours, where he says, "It is hard to think of a more elementary moral principle than the Golden Rule — in the Jewish tradition, the rule that “what is hateful to you, do not do to others.”" Which seems to directly contradict what you're saying his views are.
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I believe Chomsky has taken a relatively rosy view of at least some regimes (the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia come to mind) who it has turned out were genocidin' pretty energetically, and he has often not repudated these prior views. However, my other impression of his academic work is that these statements are rarely 'I love the Khmer Rouge, and whatever they're doing, I support them, and I will never take this back' and are more along the lines of 'the US is working hard to produce a social and political context where it is just ducky to bomb the Khmer Rouge,' and as he has the Poster's Spirit, he does not put a lot of effort into saying "I was wrong about X, and I am sorry."
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Chomsky has nothing to do with Ukraine-Russia. Please keep the old gently caress out of here as he's irrelevant.
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Nessus posted:I believe Chomsky has taken a relatively rosy view of at least some regimes (the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia come to mind) who it has turned out were genocidin' pretty energetically, and he has often not repudated these prior views. He isn't Malcolm Caldwell, that's for sure.
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Beat me to this, but Germany also did this https://twitter.com/zacharybasu/status/1511012546966343681?s=20&t=KmwCVTwhzmj8S-x63m9NrA Interesting tidbit quote:The Federal Intelligence Service (BND) initially opposed deportation. The BND and the Office for the Protection of the Constitution found themselves in a position to monitor the Russian diplomats. They had behaved inconspicuously in the past few weeks, it said.  suuuure you were monitoring them. I have so much confidence in German Intelligence's 'monitoring' of Russia Looks like the Germans are starting to feel the heat.
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Good thread. Also listened to a talk with him yesterday in which he predicts that the Russians will not manage to encircle the JFO, and if they want to take the Donbass they'll have to push back the Ukrainians the slow and bloody way, which means they might just run out of troops assuming no general mobilization. Hope he's right, cause the Izium front is looking very rough right now.
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Maybe he led about 250 troops in attacking Kyiv 
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https://twitter.com/kevinrothrock/status/1503701958254804992 https://twitter.com/mikebalsamo1/status/1510989214028075009 CW: accounts of siege, body bag photos https://twitter.com/yapparova_lilya/status/1510953355639758856
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It never ceases to amaze me how white supremacists the world over have been able to internalize that the word "Nazi" is bad, completely divorced from why it is bad. Like the part of their brain that experiences cognitive dissonance has been ripped out.
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It says no NaziS, plural. They were never against Nazi.
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Every in-depth explanation of anti-imperialism eventually has to address the question of whether the "anti-imperialist" powers are OK to lock their citizens inside their borders and disallow free travel or migration, a conundrum that becomes pressing when these "anti-imperialist" countries are becoming even worse authoritarian shitholes to live than before because of flailing dictator poo poo, and most anybody in that country who can do many kinds of technical work or maintain modern infrastructure probably wants to get the gently caress out of miseryland and not have to chug daily confirmation patriotism dews to verify their eligibility for class-3 housing appointments or whatever, glory to aristotzka The answer that "anti-imperialists" inevitably settle on is that of course is OK to imprison your own citizens inside the country and prohibit migration, because the Class Motivations of skilled workers in particular makes them subject to poaching by the decadent west by seducing their bourgeoisie self-interest, and the revolutionary counties must of course preserve themselves from the sinister plot So, given advance knowledge of the utterly predictable justifications for why its good and necessary to lock up the country and do the Democratic Glorious Peoples Republic speedrun, let's look at what's obviously going to start happening https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-04-04/russia-studying-how-to-lure-highly-skilled-workers-back-from-abroad-ministry
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Risky Bisquick posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/lapatina_/status/1510991411713347584 Somewhere an Apple nerd is clutching their vintage titanium powerbook a little more tightly.
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External Organs posted:Somewhere an Apple nerd is clutching their vintage titanium powerbook a little more tightly. Wasn't there a bunch of rumours going around during the Iraq war of titanium cover iPods stopping bullets, etc?
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Xombie posted:It never ceases to amaze me how white supremacists the world over have been able to internalize that the word "Nazi" is bad, completely divorced from why it is bad. Like the part of their brain that experiences cognitive dissonance has been ripped out. That's not it in this case. Russia believes, and has believed for a while, that Nazis are bad because they fought Russia. They don't care about the white supremacy as such.
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Risky Bisquick posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/lapatina_/status/1510991411713347584 https://twitter.com/GraniTweet/status/1510994074102345732
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the obvious wrongness of propaganda like this, the way in which it's clearly a contradiction that makes no sense, is part of its effectiveness. getting away with blatant lies is a victory in itself, it gives the same sadistic pleasure as shooting civilians or bombing hospitals does, but it's ultimately also a sign of powerlessness
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Shibawanko posted:the obvious wrongness of propaganda like this, the way in which it's clearly a contradiction that makes no sense, is part of its effectiveness. getting away with blatant lies is a victory in itself, it gives the same sadistic pleasure as shooting civilians or bombing hospitals does, but it's ultimately also a sign of powerlessness
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Epicurius posted:That's not it in this case. Russia believes, and has believed for a while, that Nazis are bad because they fought Russia. They don't care about the white supremacy as such. They have at least latched on to the fact that calling them "Nazis" is a good PR tactic to get support from useful idiots in the west. Although I suppose it's an open question how many of them are actually just blindly buying into the rhetoric without understanding what Russia means when they say "Nazis", and how many of them understand the lie and enthusiastically support it.
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https://twitter.com/iikkakorhonen/status/1511028589919150080 If Macron gets blanket oil ban done, I’ll forgive him both gas and €50k makeup bills. From financial perspective, oil revenues are the most important leg propping up Russian economy right now. https://twitter.com/mrsorokaa/status/1511019538325942282
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How much of Russia's GDP actually involves trade with Western nations involved in sanctions vs others?
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Epicurius posted:That's not it in this case. Russia believes, and has believed for a while, that Nazis are bad because they fought Russia. They don't care about the white supremacy as such. As far as I can tell, "Nazi" to Russia is a term that means some group that has a distinct ethnic component (like say a shared language or culture) and is not Russian. So, promoting the Ukrainian language and cultural history (outside of it being part of Greater Russia) is, apparently, Nazism.
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 Interview with a woman who had to bury her sonhttps://twitter.com/sasha_weirdsley/status/1510881595430998016 Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:How much of Russia's GDP actually involves trade with Western nations involved in sanctions vs others? https://oec.world/en/profile/country/rus#yearly-exports
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https://twitter.com/Chri5tianGoebel/status/1510923937802297347 https://twitter.com/Chri5tianGoebel/status/1510923950662078466 nationalism is a rabbit-hole. Yes, ultra-nationalist Chinese do like to bring up the Amur cession as an unequal treaty.
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While it's clear that Putin and his government have co-opted the term "Nazi" to demonize any political opponent - internal or external - that opposes Russia, I think it's pretty disingenuous to suddenly claim that Russians' in general don't understand the historical meaning and nature of what it is to be a Nazi.
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But the numbers will just shift toward exporting to countries that don't care about sanctions like India and China, especially if they discount oil by a couple of dollars off the market rate. Countries like that can go from importing 30% of oil from Russia to 80%, covering any loss of EU revenue for Russia. It's hard to say for sure how these numbers will shake out for oil in the end even if EU fully bans it. Russia will take some losses from having to ship more oil by sea, however, it might just result in a small single-digit % cut to their overall revenues. Gas is an instant win because Russia doesn't have pipelines like they have for the EU going to any alternative countries with the same capacity. Shipping gas by sea is also a lot more inefficient compared to oil and requires 10x as many ships for the same revenue. Not to mention gas is not as in demand as oil, so less potential customers. Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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To the three Italian posters in this forums, la7 is going to broadcast the first three eps of servant of the people at 2115 today, with the french doc on zelensky afterwards at 2320. Future episodes (in set of threes) every Monday at 2115. Edit:tv guide had a incorrect number of episodes SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:While it's clear that Putin and his government have co-opted the term "Nazi" to demonize any political opponent - internal or external - that opposes Russia, I think it's pretty disingenuous to suddenly claim that Russians' in general don't understand the historical meaning and nature of what it is to be a Nazi. why on earth not it's not unique to russians - just ask any red-state white guy to define socialist Rad Russian posted:But the numbers will just shift toward exporting to countries that don't care about sanctions like India and China, especially if they discount oil by a couple of dollars off the market rate. Countries like that can go from importing 30% of oil from Russia to 80%, covering any loss of EU revenue for Russia. It's hard to say for sure how these numbers will shake out for oil in the end even if EU fully bans it. Russia will take some losses from having to ship more oil by sea, however, it might just result in a small single-digit % cut to their overall revenues. my recollection is that china buys oil/gas at a hilarious discount because they have russia over a barrel. also, as to gas: the same reason germany can't easily get a new supplier is the same reason russia can't easily get a new buyer: pipelines.
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evilweasel posted:just ask any red-state white guy to define socialist And how many people on the left called Bush a nazi during his administration? Neither instance means that Americans in general are incapable of understanding what a real Nazi is.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:And how many people on the left called Bush a nazi during his administration? People seem to be quite fond of hyperbole. It pisses me off.
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Rad Russian posted:But the numbers will just shift toward exporting to countries that don't care about sanctions like India and China, especially if they discount oil by a couple of dollars off the market rate. Countries like that can go from importing 30% of oil from Russia to 80%, covering any loss of EU revenue for Russia. It's hard to say for sure how these numbers will shake out for oil in the end even if EU fully bans it. Russia will take some losses from having to ship more oil by sea, however, it might just result in a small single-digit % cut to their overall revenues. Gas is more difficult to circumvent, but Russian gas revenue is literally 1/6 of their oil revenue. Refined oil is fungible to an extent, assuming there are no sanctions discouraging other countries to taking up that excess, and assuming these third countries have both need and means to buy that spare volume. Crude oil, in contrast, requires proper refineries - Russia can no longer build or maintain their own, and the majority of their crude export gets refined in the Netherlands. That alone would be a gaping hole in their currently active income streams, as it already is their largest export item even at peacetime. Every single economist I read is saying that oil ban is the most financially damaging single action EU can take right now. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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The world should probably collectively denazify russia and maybe in terms they themselves have set?
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Yureina posted:People seem to be quite fond of hyperbole. It pisses me off. My favorite is when someone makes a comment that's nothing but hyperbole, then responds to replies like "so what the hell are you actually saying" with "don't you idiots know what hyperbole is??" When people get riled up, expressing their feelings ends up taking precedence over actually being correct. It's pretty much a universal thing, as is pretending that it only happens to out-groups.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Gas is more difficult to circumvent, but Russian gas revenue is literally 1/6 of their oil revenue. Refined oil is fungible to an extent, assuming there are no sanctions discouraging other countries to taking up that excess, and assuming these third countries have both need and means to buy that spare volume. Crude oil, in contrast, requires proper refineries - Russia can no longer build or maintain their own, and the majority of their crude export gets refined in the Netherlands. That alone would be a gaping hole in their currently active income streams, as it already is their largest export item even at peacetime. i suspect they will do it, its just pushing germany into doing it. that just leaves austria and hungary. austria idk but Hungary is in putins pocket and want to be judging by election, so gently caress em.
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Rad Russian posted:But the numbers will just shift toward exporting to countries that don't care about sanctions like India and China, especially if they discount oil by a couple of dollars off the market rate. Countries like that can go from importing 30% of oil from Russia to 80%, covering any loss of EU revenue for Russia. It's hard to say for sure how these numbers will shake out for oil in the end even if EU fully bans it. Russia will take some losses from having to ship more oil by sea, however, it might just result in a small single-digit % cut to their overall revenues. There cost to produce is going to skyrocket. They don't make all the parts for an oil well, or all the parts to maintain one. They have robbed their industrial base for 30 years. It will take time and investment to fix that. Suddenly having to increase production costs and sell discount oil to a limited market is going to hurt a lot. And I suspect that a lot of place would be more than happy to punish India for financially supporting Russia. There isn't currently a broad consensus on it but India has a lot of sectors that are 100% export oriented that other nations feel has hurt domestic industry. Mumbai tech support, clothing manufacturers, etc. And a huge amount of their petroleum refining is for export. Sanction busting could easily blow back on them if carriers won't take sanctioned goods. E: add to all that that a pipeline currently doesn't exist for shipping gas or oil between west Russian fields and Indian or Chinese refineries. With carrier and insurance capital boycotts it's going to be impossible to increase sales that way. Barrel Cactaur fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:While it's clear that Putin and his government have co-opted the term "Nazi" to demonize any political opponent - internal or external - that opposes Russia, I think it's pretty disingenuous to suddenly claim that Russians' in general don't understand the historical meaning and nature of what it is to be a Nazi. It can take a conscious effort not to slip into demonising the populace of an entire country when propaganda is flying thick and fast.
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