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hotdog feet posted:Here's what i still don't understand, beyond every other stupid thing with NFTs: how the gently caress is one ape valued higher than another with no difference in scarcity and they're all equally ugly as gently caress It's like a gacha game, some of the features on the apes show up at a significantly lower rate. So an ape with bloodshot weed eyes might be one in a hundred, but an ape with a gold plated grill might be one in a thousand.
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hotdog feet posted:Here's what i still don't understand, beyond every other stupid thing with NFTs: how the gently caress is one ape valued higher than another with no difference in scarcity and they're all equally ugly as gently caress your extremely valid concerns and questions sound like a whole bunch of FUD to me.
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hotdog feet posted:Here's what i still don't understand, beyond every other stupid thing with NFTs: how the gently caress is one ape valued higher than another with no difference in scarcity and they're all equally ugly as gently caress Someone already answered but basically some of the randomised features are rarer than others. It's literally just gambling. You pay some money, pull the lever and hope a rare combination comes up. Why do people buy that rare combination? Because they are very very stupid.
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On the subject of rarity that no one ought to give a poo poo about, I saw a NFT thing that was emulating "loot bags". You'd have a list of items with the usual names, 1 x Great Bardiche of the Reaper, or whatever, and they were supposed to have value in much the same way as the whole blue, purple, gold, etc stuff does in RPGs. The team behind it didn't bother describing what stats each item had (for a game that didn't exist), instead they just said that it was "up to the community" to decide upon that, in their heads I guess. So, let's just agree that my "Dire Wand of Replenishment (Poison Enchanted)" is worth a lot, because it sounds like it ought to be. I'm only willing to trade it for a gold Mace of Undying. These bags are literally just characters on the screen, with the NFTs pointing to them. That's it. No assets, no promise of anything beyond that, nothing. NFTs are a proper "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" thing.
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think of it as preordering DLC for the games of tomorrow
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poverty goat posted:think of it as preordering DLC for the games of tomorrow I mean that's literally it. Lootboxes without games. And with all the forethought that implies.
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Durzel posted:These bags are literally just characters on the screen, with the NFTs pointing to them. That's it. No assets, no promise of anything beyond that, nothing. yeah a couple months ago I spent like 15 minutes searching with increasing desperation for the game part of a NTF game: Klyith posted:Looked at website, saw the big Gameplay tiles that appear to depict Asteroids and Space Invaders, but with NFT planes and cartoon cats. Meanwhile, let's check in on Orange Sky's friend: orange sky posted:I just had dinner with someone I consider an intelligent person, but I might have to review that opinion. They apparently bought multiple "nft metaverse planes", and are playing a "click to win game" where they login everyday and click some buttons to get money back in coins. Direct quote - "it started recently so its not going to blow up immediately - I'll probably be able to make money off of it before it goes tits up". cryptoplanes.me: This site can't be reached. DNS NXDOMAIN Price chart from Dec 1 to now:  horns.aiff
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https://twitter.com/ghostrecon/status/1511373147475484682?s=21&t=nPAW7cMtQZBzl84i0Ygy8w Also known as the Ubisoft game that got NFTs.
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hotdog feet posted:Here's what i still don't understand, beyond every other stupid thing with NFTs: how the gently caress is one ape valued higher than another with no difference in scarcity and they're all equally ugly as gently caress My uncles and dad shot the eyes out of at least one Nolan Ryan rookie card with a bb-gun.
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Breakpoint was a weird trial run as they never “sold” NFTs, only given away. I believe it was just to see if NFTs could bring players back to the game and if the remaining players would actively trade them but last I checked the trade volume was embarrassingly low. Terrible game at launch and still not good but I do give them credit for working on it for the past two years. Figured support would have been immediately dropped after sales were so bad they delayed other games to reevaluate their live service approach.
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Ubisoft says they're going to keep doing NFTs in future games, they're not giving up on them yet, just their first game to use them reached the end of its support cycle https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1511673357644742656
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I forget if ubisoft promoted ability to sell their nfts in a marketplace or not but they definitely have shut that marketplace down if it ever existed right. I own more of a piece of non maintained games by still having some boxes with their manuals and poo poo in my basement somewhere than any of the fools who bought an in game nft, lol. I’m glad it was ubisoft doing it because they are already a piece of poo poo company.
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repiv posted:Ubisoft says they're going to keep doing NFTs in future games, they're not giving up on them yet, just their first game to use them reached the end of its support cycle "We roped some kids into buying that poo poo, so yeah you can bet we're doing it again."
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"You have left your mark in its history." Some people bought some lovely guns in a game that was for all intents and purposes EOL, were explicitly unhappy that nobody noticed their fancy blockchain gun, and then you officially EOL'd the game. History made alright.
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poverty goat posted:think of it as preordering DLC for the games Ftfy.
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Klyith posted:cryptoplanes.me: This site can't be reached. DNS NXDOMAIN This is good for NFT 'games'.
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Didn’t players say nobody even noticed or commented on their NFT items? Also the way they were restricted made them effectively TF2 and CSGO items in every way except environmental impact? In short, lol ubisoft
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Durzel posted:On the subject of rarity that no one ought to give a poo poo about, I saw a NFT thing that was emulating "loot bags". You'd have a list of items with the usual names, 1 x Great Bardiche of the Reaper, or whatever, and they were supposed to have value in much the same way as the whole blue, purple, gold, etc stuff does in RPGs. Made by the cofounder of Vine which is probably how they got popular. There isn't even a character. Each NFT is just like ten lines of plaintext. priznat posted:I forget if ubisoft promoted ability to sell their nfts in a marketplace or not but they definitely have shut that marketplace down if it ever existed right. Since they are NFTs there shouldn't need to be an Ubisoft run marketplace. Maybe depending on the technical details of how they link to your in-game account but with the game shut down that doesn't really matter. novamute fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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busalover posted:"We roped some kids into buying that poo poo, so yeah you can bet we're doing it again." "we can scam the second group with the profits from the first! hooray!"
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novamute posted:Made by the cofounder of Vine which is probably how they got popular. There isn't even a character. Each NFT is just like ten lines of plaintext. On the other hand clearly minimal effort seems to be required to sell these things so why bother doing anything more than you need to? Time = (fiat) money. Aside from the grubbiness of it all it is rather fascinating how these things conjure up value from a critical mass of people believing that they are valuable. The fact that digital assets can be copied at no cost, and the notion that this is somehow bad or irrelevant in the sphere of NFTs, i.e. how "digital scarcity" is actually A Good Thing is just incredible. Digital asset reproduction is, or should be, an equalising force, a fundamental good in the context of environmental damage or resource consumption caused by manufacturing tangible items. Instead, in the new world order of NFTs, the narrative we're all being asked to embrace is the idea of turning digital assets into a finite resource, for no good reason, just to enrich a minority of participants. The one thing that we could reproduce infinitely at no cost and no harm instead we have to impose artificial scarcity on, because absolutely loving everything in life has to be monetised and those who can't afford the consensus value disenfranchised from participating at all. Man I hate NFTs. Their very essence is rotten.
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Durzel posted:Aside from the grubbiness of it all it is rather fascinating how these things conjure up value from a critical mass of people believing that they are valuable. The fact that digital assets can be copied at no cost, and the notion that this is somehow bad or irrelevant in the sphere of NFTs, i.e. how "digital scarcity" is actually A Good Thing is just incredible. I read an article that described the vision of NFTs as "a virtual world where we have finally solved the problem of how to create scarcity when nothing is real" which is just a brilliant description. To libertarians, the fact that digital stuff can be copied for virtually no cost is a problem, and NFTs are the solution. The whole article is worth a read: https://www.gawker.com/culture/the-future-is-useless-expensive
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NFTs being more innately worthless is actually their selling point above and beyond tulips, beanie babies, and funco pops. Physical goods have some token manufacturing costs so that any new tulip, beanie baby, or funco pop has some amount of investment riding in it's ability to be sold for no real capital or social reason. NFTs, especially with some of the mint on demand bullshit, have low or no capital investment allowing the market to iterate endlessly on determining the sort of useless jpegs people are willing to buy. The fact that it is worthless because it's infinitely digitally reproducible is just a small irony. Digital scarcity is still pie in the sky because there still hasn't been a popular NFT that makes the scarcity intrinsic. They're all right clickable still.
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It’s pretty funny, because there used to be quite a serious contingent of libertarian/anarcho-capitalist types who were strictly anti-IP, since it was a form of property that could only be created through state coercion. Conversely, though, it doesn’t surprise me that executive-level Hollywood types are quick to get on board with it. I’ve often wondered how they would continue to lobby the government to keep anti-tech/strong IP laws like the DMCA going. I imagined that they might try to get the entertainment industry declared as some kind of strategic global influence asset, especially with a friendly Democratic administration in power. But joining up with a coalition of grifters trying to make a quick buck, and promising them that one day they can be on top of the ladder too, seems just as likely to succeed.
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Cyks posted:Breakpoint was a weird trial run as they never “sold” NFTs, only given away. I believe it was just to see if NFTs could bring players back to the game and if the remaining players would actively trade them but last I checked the trade volume was embarrassingly low. novamute posted:Since they are NFTs there shouldn't need to be an Ubisoft run marketplace. Nope! The Ubisoft NFTs exist in the Ubisoft-run Quartz system, which is another one of these blockchain-based virtual programs. The items can only be traded on 2 market platforms, and Ubisoft takes a percentage cut of any sale / transfer. Ubisoft aren't so stupid that they don't know their audience, and that most core gamers are profoundly negative to the concept. So they were taking the same approach that's worked well for AAA in the past: introduce things in the most innocuous fashion, then boil the frog. Thus starting with cosmetic-only items they gave away for free in a game that nobody cared about anyways.
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HappyHippo posted:I read an article that described the vision of NFTs as "a virtual world where we have finally solved the problem of how to create scarcity when nothing is real" which is just a brilliant description. To libertarians, the fact that digital stuff can be copied for virtually no cost is a problem, and NFTs are the solution.
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Durzel posted:That was a good read, thanks. Kinda surprised that it's a Gawker article, though. They spun off in the bankruptcy sale and aren't part of theonion/gizmodo/etc thing anymore, they're their own blog and have some good stuff sometimes!
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https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi/status/1511444846514479106
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Correction: Helping MAKE millions of poor people around the world
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Just like playing the pick 3 or pick 4 (worse really, because someone could steal all of your Crypto and you have no way of getting it back) The real thing is though that all of those people covered in the article are desperate to make money in Crypto because all of the other ways don't work. But crypto won't either. It literally cannot for the vast majority of them. Taerkar fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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Paramount jumping on the NFT train by selling 20K Star Trek ships for $250 each. https://twitter.com/paramountco/status/1511818145576673287 Looking at the roadmap, there's also some Nickelodeon ones planned (Rugrats, Turtles, no Spongebob though) and other targeted film franchises include The Godfather, Mean Girls and Ferris Bueller. They'll be doing "a star-studded panel with talent from the franchise" at a Star Trek con in Chicago tomorrow. A lot of current and former ST actors are at the con as guests, wondering which ones they could convince to appear in their $250 NFT salespitch.
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Klyith posted:Nope! The Ubisoft NFTs exist in the Ubisoft-run Quartz system, which is another one of these blockchain-based virtual programs. The items can only be traded on 2 market platforms, and Ubisoft takes a percentage cut of any sale / transfer. So it's like steam market items but without free ways to buy in and they go away in 4 months instead of being in games supported for over a decade?
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kirbysuperstar posted:Remember that bit in Picard where they remark about how hosed the environment is? Well anyway https://twitter.com/StarTrek/status/1511077401098293254 well they found out a way to poo poo on the corpse of star trek harder than nutrek
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Deki posted:So it's like steam market items but without free ways to buy in and they go away in 4 months instead of being in games supported for over a decade? Listen, I don't think you understand how this works. When we say "Blockchain!" you're supposed to throw money at us.
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ErrEff posted:They'll be doing "a star-studded panel with talent from the franchise" at a Star Trek con in Chicago tomorrow. A lot of current and former ST actors are at the con as guests, wondering which ones they could convince to appear in their $250 NFT salespitch. Will Wheaton doesn’t have any dignity left so he could front it
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In five or ten years, more than one film producer/director will make documentaries about the history of NFTs, including interviews with sad/angry-faced individuals who wanted to get rich quick but lost everything they owned instead. If I die laughing while watching one of those documentaries, hey there's plenty of worse ways to go!
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HappyHippo posted:I read an article that described the vision of NFTs as "a virtual world where we have finally solved the problem of how to create scarcity when nothing is real" which is just a brilliant description. To libertarians, the fact that digital stuff can be copied for virtually no cost is a problem, and NFTs are the solution. Except that's something they still can't really do? Unless I'm mistaken, nothing is stopping me from right clicking all the jpegs and minting them as my own special NFTs. So unless they're going to put blockchains on the blockchains to make sure that their blockchain is the real original deal blockchain, NFT's still do nothing to make something unique.
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Darth TNT posted:Except that's something they still can't really do? Unless I'm mistaken, nothing is stopping me from right clicking all the jpegs and minting them as my own special NFTs. So unless they're going to put blockchains on the blockchains to make sure that their blockchain is the real original deal blockchain, NFT's still do nothing to make something unique. In theory, the blockchain lets you check the history and origin of a NFT, so it's trivial to tell whether a crappy ape jpeg is an original Bored Ape from the original Bored Apes collection or a right-clicked and re-minted copy. In practice, it's only been a few days since someone traded real Bored Apes for re-minted ape jpegs with a verified checkmark photoshopped on, so we know how well that actually works in practice.
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