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Youth Decay posted:Every town in Ukraine has like 5 different English spellings, such is the wonder of translating Cyrillic text. A lot of that seemed to get turned on its head recently. When I learned Russian, the "ge" letter was just a hard "g", now it's being translated as an "h" which leaves me curious as to what "kha" is supposed to be changed to.
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Doccers posted:It is quite possible that the EU's combined air power would be able to handle the Russian air force, however I still suspect it's lacking in sufficient stores of guided munitions. This may change after Ukraine, but Finland's likely thinking of the near future with a move to NATO. The PGM problem is huge. Like, Germany only just now ordered 120 missiles for its drones. 120…is not much. Though it does have 600 KEPD 350 cruise missiles. Those are supposedly quite fancy.
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Nessus posted:Someone asked the fellows in Chad who invented the technical if they thought these weapons would be much good against a modern army. "Of course not," said one Toyota-welder, "but we weren't fighting a modern army, were we?" I think there was an instance during the Iraq invasion where the Fedayeen Saddam tried using technicals and stuff to attack a US position during a sandstorm and got loving wrecked.
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He should direct his demands at Muskrat. Doccers posted:They would be quite easy for a competent military with adequate SigInt equipment to jam, yes. Yeah and also to locate the controller, I'd imagine. I would assume that Russia a) still has those abilities but b) doesn't have them everywhere they have troops, so at times using them could be effective and at others it could be dangerous. The latter would be rare, I would think. Nail Rat posted:Not that it's something I want to happen anyway, but I have to imagine a Russian invasion of Finland would go...not well since they're falling on their face in Ukraine, burning through ostensibly the best of what they have, and Finland is getting time to prepare. Russia's biggest problems were north of Kyiv, which is largely covered by huge forests and swamps. What country in Europe mainly consists of those two terrain features? Answer: Estonia 
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Nail Rat posted:Not that it's something I want to happen anyway, but I have to imagine a Russian invasion of Finland would go...not well since they're falling on their face in Ukraine, burning through ostensibly the best of what they have, and Finland is getting time to prepare. I asked my friend in Sweden who's training in their self defense force right now, if they would come to Finland's aid should they be attacked, "No need. The snow speaks Finnish." 
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Military cooperation is complicated, it's not just a matter of "sending troops". There's all sorts of complications in terms of logistics, command language, who can give orders to who, communication channels and encryption keys, a gazillion things. NATO has standards for this and exercises it regularly; the EU does not. Most EU countries are NATO members though so using NATO mechanisms could work within those, and Sweden has largely adopted NATO standards and exercises together with NATO pretty frequently as well. It is worth noting though that despite both Sweden and Finland being EU members, there's an entirely separate bilateral agreement about mutual military support between Sweden and Finland (ratified as recently as 2020). It does not contain an automatic commitment to mutual defense beyond what's already in the EU pact, but it does implement special legal provisions that at least in Sweden authorizes the government to both send military support to Finland's defense should they request it, and receive military support from Finland in return, without parliamentary approval. It also contains some special provisions for e.g. placing Swedish troops under Finnish command, granting Finnish military personnel access to secret installations without any of the usual bureaucratic red tape, and other such things. Finland and Sweden have also started exercising these supporting actions recently. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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Trump posted:https://twitter.com/BackAndAlive/status/1511751581749940240 my guess is Mariupol isnt exactly going great for the russians and its turned into a wood chipper and their siege is porous still. like not great for mauripol but this isnt great for the russias basicaly killing tons of their dudes to take a city that should have fallen in the opening 2 days. if they are getting drones, then they are getting other stuff too.
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:A lot of that seemed to get turned on its head recently. When I learned Russian, the "ge" letter was just a hard "g", now it's being translated as an "h" which leaves me curious as to what "kha" is supposed to be changed to. Well, that would be because these names are in Ukrainian, not Russian. Ukrainian Cyrillic: Г --- /ɦ/ Ґ --- /g/ Х --- /x/
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Doccers posted:I asked my friend in Sweden who's training in their self defense force right now, if they would come to Finland's aid should they be attacked, "And today, ve crush Russian soldier with hoodraulic press. And heeere ve go!"
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In a surprise to no-one, Russia doesn't treat POWs well. https://twitter.com/StratcomCentre/status/1511753349649027077
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:A lot of that seemed to get turned on its head recently. When I learned Russian, the "ge" letter was just a hard "g", now it's being translated as an "h" which leaves me curious as to what "kha" is supposed to be changed to. Are you aware that Russian and Ukrainian are different languages? Russian г transliterates to g (аллигатор - alligator), whereas Ukrainian г transliterates to h (грiм - hrim) - because they sound different in speech. Letter х is pronounced the same in both languages, and transliterates to kh consequently.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:if they are getting drones, then they are getting other stuff too. I seem to remember seeing a photo that was purportedly made in that city that showed a fired Matador launcher. So they somehow managed to get fresh AT launchers from Poland into Mariupol
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Nenonen posted:He should direct his demands at Muskrat. From what I understand is they indeed have some jammers but aren't using them since they likewise jam their cellphones and lovely Chinese walkie-talkies they are using to communicate.
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Atreiden posted:In a surprise to no-one, Russia doesn't treat POWs well. e: Forgot sexual abuse, too.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Are you aware that Russian and Ukrainian are different languages? Russian г transliterates to g (аллигатор - alligator), whereas Ukrainian г transliterates to h (грiм - hrim) - because they sound different in speech. Letter х is pronounced the same in both languages, and transliterates to kh consequently. Yeah, I'm just noting that I've seen Russian being translated that way recently, too.
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Antigravitas posted:I seem to remember seeing a photo that was purportedly made in that city that showed a fired Matador launcher. So they somehow managed to get fresh AT launchers from Poland into Mariupol Just a reminder for those who figured out how this resupply is working, don't post it on the internet.
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:Yeah, I'm just noting that I've seen Russian being translated that way recently, too. That’s not my observation, at least. A lot more people have begun using Ukrainian spellings of place names, however, and Ukraine has a ton of place names that have identical spellings in both languages, but different transliteration. For instance, Гостомель, the infamous VDV theme park, would be Gostomel’ and Hostomel’ depending on whether if the reader is applying Russian or Ukrainian transliteration rules, as the spelling is the same in both languages.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:That’s not my observation, at least. A lot more people have begun using Ukrainian spellings of place names, however, and Ukraine has a ton of place names that have identical spellings in both languages, but different transliteration. For instance, Гостомель, the infamous VDV theme park, would be Gostomel’ and Hostomel’ depending on whether if the reader is applying Russian or Ukrainian transliteration rules, as the spelling is the same in both languages.
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I, for one am shocked and appalled to see Galloway piss away his legacy and credibility as a noted leftist, antiimperialist and widdle pussy cat https://twitter.com/captainwonkish/status/1511760530771529729?s=20&t=MQktxfWp9N0Ks8KdheCucA
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:A lot of that seemed to get turned on its head recently. When I learned Russian, the "ge" letter was just a hard "g", now it's being translated as an "h" which leaves me curious as to what "kha" is supposed to be changed to. that's cuz ukrainian is a separate language from russian lol
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mobby_6kl posted:but OTOH I don't think the US would manage to keep its dick out of any war the whole of EU is involved in. Same for the UK. I would prefer this war be over soon so the issue doesn't become one of electoral politics. Merely because it would be distasteful. I don't believe the US will abandon the effort, but the will "to do more" whatever that is, may fluctuate. I believe Mr. Putin understands this, and believes a long war of attrition may weaken alliances, due to economic costs. This alone should drive the West to be as speedy and as imaginative as possible, right this moment, to give Ukraine the necessary to respond to the Russians even more convincingly.
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Orthanc6 posted:Russian corruption leading to a bunch of empty ERA tin cans adorning Russia's best tanks would be maximum on-brand. There was a Russian tank the Ukrainians captured early on in the war which literally had cardboard egg shells inside the ERA pockets. It was linked in this thread I think (can't find right now) OddObserver posted:Russia has an issue with civilian roles having military uniforms. Like, say, prosecutors. Here is the previous outfit of their prosecutor general: This reminds me of the Imperial Russian system of "ranks": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_Ranks#Table_of_Ranks The idea back then was that since the army and navy have ranks, why not have the same system in the civil service as well. I don't know if this actually worked (for whatever value of "worked"), but I do know that at least the Finnish translations of the ranks, as used in the grand duchy of Finland, part of the Russian Empire 1809-1917, were hilarious. So you might eventually become a "salaneuvos" and then perhaps even get promoted to "todellinen salaneuvos"? 
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Youth Decay posted:Every town in Ukraine has like 5 different English spellings, such is the wonder of translating Cyrillic text. 
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jaete posted:There was a Russian tank the Ukrainians captured early on in the war which literally had cardboard egg shells inside the ERA pockets. It was linked in this thread I think (can't find right now) The cardboard egg shell thing IIRC isn't true. The ERA containers(?) look like egg cartons and the big thing there was that the "pockets" for the explosives were empty.  Edit: yeah those are clearly not egg cartons unless eggs and egg cartons in europe are some weird geometric horror. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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evilweasel posted:while naval blockades remain Officially An Act Of War that was famously flouted in the Cuban Missile Crisis by simply declaring the blockade was not a blockade so that it wasn't an act of war, and then seeing if anyone was going to start a war over it. as a practical matter, the same thing would apply. I don’t want to get too far into this as it’s not the China thread, but I was in fact contemplating a blockade via anti-ship missile since there’s not much the USN can do about them if they aren’t the targets and it wouldn’t take much to convince civilian shippers to back off unless the US is willing to mobilize the merchant marine and go full Liberty Ship. PerilPastry posted:I, for one am shocked and appalled to see Galloway piss away his legacy and credibility as a noted leftist, antiimperialist and widdle pussy cat  has never been more appropriate. Is there, uh, any kind of context that even slightly explains this?Telsa Cola posted:The cardboard egg shell thing IIRC isn't true. The ERA containers(?) look like egg cartons and the big thing there was that the "pockets" for the explosives were empty. Wouldn’t the explosives not being there still be pretty bad corruption-wise?
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Videos of supposed Ukranian troops posing mannequins on the ground etc in Bucha making the rounds on Telegram. Ofc intended to discredit images and testimony. Dunno if vid posted here would contribute, so not doing so.
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Telsa Cola posted:The cardboard egg shell thing IIRC isn't true. The ERA containers(?) look like egg cartons and the big thing there was that the "pockets" for the explosives were empty. they look the the cardboard things that come in the boxes of crickets i buy for my reptiles.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:they look the the cardboard things that come in the boxes of crickets i buy for my reptiles. Someone posted a diagram of that specific type of ERA armor and it was basically those yes. I believe its a rubber/plastic casing. Tomn posted:
Oh totally, just not quite the meme. Here's a better photo. 
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Dapper_Swindler posted:they look the the cardboard things that come in the boxes of crickets i buy for my reptiles. Well yeah, ERA is short for Eager Reptile Aliment
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jaete posted:There was a Russian tank the Ukrainians captured early on in the war which literally had cardboard egg shells inside the ERA pockets. It was linked in this thread I think (can't find right now) Those were spacers and meant to be there... unfortunately the explosives inserted between them were not. 
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Incremental gains:"Ukrainian Armed Forces Facebook posted:As a result of offensive actions of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the enemy lost control over the settlement of Osokorivka. 
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In terms of reporting Danish Radio has been doing something interesting but weird. A journalist has been googling random business phone numbers in Ukraine and calling them. They had an interview with someone with a horrific story about being trapped in a shelled building with the landline working but the only phone number she could remember was her teenage daughter’s who had managed to escape and she didn’t want to tell her what had happened. Is this happening in other countries? (The two times I’ve heard it one was someone who was a private English teacher and I think the other was a baker).
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Deteriorata posted:Incremental gains: That's good, but I imagine the counterattacks are going to be harder past the Dnieper River
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Kavros posted:The absolute only way I can read this is: Russia engaged in mass executions of civilians in Sumy and does not have time to cover the fact up I thought Ukraine had been in full control of Sumy for a couple of weeks now? Was it still being fought over until just now? e: looks like others were confused as well. Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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Deki posted:That's good, but I imagine the counterattacks are going to be harder past the Dnieper River I’d armchair that it may be even a bit easier, if Ukrainian forces retake Kherson and break out on the other side. Currently, in that area Ukrainian forces are storming a big city while being fired across the river, and raided from a nearby airfield. If they hold the city and move out, the river people and airplanes will need to gently caress off further, and Ukrainians themselves would have to move through villages and empty space, more or less. I’m genuinely not sure where would their forces get stopped in this hypothetical scenario, except for naive answers like Crimean border.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I’d armchair that it may be even a bit easier, if Ukrainian forces retake Kherson and break out on the other side. Currently, in that area Ukrainian forces are storming a big city while being fired across the river, and raided from a nearby airfield. If they hold the city and move out, the river people and airplanes will need to gently caress off further, and Ukrainians themselves would have to move through villages and empty space, more or less. I'm nothing but an armchair general myself, but I'd imagine the hit and run tactics that are working great are harder when you don't have much held space to retreat too. Plus, what's stopping Russia from blowing bridges?
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Phlegmish posted:I thought Ukraine had been in full control of Sumy for a couple of weeks now? Was it still being fought over until just now? Sumy is the name of the oblast and the city. In addition Russian forces have held some of the suburbs/outskirts of Sumy (the city).
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Phlegmish posted:I thought Ukraine had been in full control of Sumy for a couple of weeks now? Was it still being fought over until just now? The city center was in Ukrainian control. A lot of the suburbs weren't. cinci zoo sniper posted:I’d armchair that it may be even a bit easier, if Ukrainian forces retake Kherson and break out on the other side. Currently, in that area Ukrainian forces are storming a big city while being fired across the river, and raided from a nearby airfield. If they hold the city and move out, the river people and airplanes will need to gently caress off further, and Ukrainians themselves would have to move through villages and empty space, more or less. I don't think there is any chance that if Russia withdraws from Kherson, they won't blow up the two bridges over the lower Dnipro. After that, the Russians can hold at the river with much less force, and the only things the Ukrainians can do is small-scale harassment raids. If there is an offensive that reaches the Crimean border, that's going to come from the eastern side of Dnipro.
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