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Dapper_Swindler posted:interesting. so that confirms of the conscripts that are from the various "client" states and satellite republics. That’s not really how the facts shake out, even if you take this to be a representative sample (it cannot be).
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jmnmu posted:For those curious what the tankie streamers are doing there's some highlight reels of hilariously stupid takes out there wow, epic fails indeed  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dapper_Swindler posted:interesting. so that confirms of the conscripts that are from the various "client" states and satellite republics. It's rather that most soldiers were most likely from the Central Military District units //central mostly not eastern
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Dapper_Swindler posted:interesting. so that confirms of the conscripts that are from the various "client" states and satellite republics. I guess the poorer you are the more stuff you would even consider as worthwhile loot and the more of it you have to send back home. If you are from Moscow anything but cash, jewelry and high end electronics is probably not worth your time.
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PerilPastry posted:I, for one am shocked and appalled to see Galloway piss away his legacy and credibility as a noted leftist, antiimperialist and widdle pussy cat Uh, it's eerily like every single aspect of the IT manifested itself into a fully formed amalgamation-like person. A putin explaining, assad supporting, sexual assault apologist. Who also happens to be a creepy cat-pretender (!?). Conviced the nebulous *!*!*the WEST*!*!* is to blame for russia comitting a war of aggression in ukraine and who has a massive, mega hate-boner for zelensky for mysterious reasons (possibly that he
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Rinkles posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z36bohixgRY Useful idiots, that's what they are. Just lol if anyone thinks Russia cares about communism at this point. They will namecheck Stalin or Lenin to try and explain their bloodthirsty imperialism, sure.
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jmnmu posted:For those curious what the tankie streamers are doing there's some highlight reels of hilariously stupid takes out there You know the word tanky has really lost all meaning when its applied to isolationists. It literally means backing intervention. If someone doesn't want their country to be involved in foriegn affairs, they're just called an isolationist. Terminally Bored posted:Useful idiots, that's what they are. Just lol if anyone thinks Russia cares about communism at this point. They will namecheck Stalin or Lenin to try and explain their bloodthirsty imperialism, sure. They are anti-communist nationalists. Only reason Stalin will get brought is because of his connection to the Great Russian Victory. At the same time, only reason Soviet repression will be brought up is to emphasize how badly they treated Russian nationalists like Solzhenitsyn who mainly concerned himself with solutions toward the "Ukrainian Problem" at the end of his life. This is the world the anti-communist nationalists wanted. Western leftists just hate institutions and like whichever option will make the TV people upset. FishBulbia fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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"Tankie" just means "bad leftist" most of the time, and I'm ok with that.
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Tomn posted:The word "imperialist" has lost all goddamn meaning. I hope that ends up applying to many more nations than Ukraine. If this is the level of political analysis and sophistication that 21st century communism has to offer then it is a dead, broken ideology. I used to think communism was some far-away ideological goal, but this is pathetic and evil.
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I’d like to remind everyone that we have rules against moaning about tankies just because you want to. If you have something interesting to say about the Greek activists or the British melt, be my guest, but otherwise consider moving on to a more relevant topic.
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FishBulbia posted:Western leftists just hate institutions and like whichever option will make the TV people upset. It can't be emphasized enough how much of the dumbest elements of the online left are motivated by this, yeah. The first principle that their politics are organized around is sneering and scoffing at some imagined PMC cosmpolitian lib, and then rationalized backwards from that. The libs made a big deal about January 6th, so it must be nothing. The Libs are upset about the Ukraine invasion, so it must be either Good, Actually that it's happening, or at minimum a cringe thing to get upset or care about. E: whoops, sorry didn't see the mod post. won't continue the derail any further, my bad.
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How are u posted:I hope that ends up applying to many more nations than Ukraine. If this is the level of political analysis and sophistication that 21st century communism has to offer then it is a dead, broken ideology. I used to think communism was some far-away ideological goal, but this is pathetic and evil. I was willing to put up with the Whig party until the invasion of Iraq -- that was the last straw!!
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FishBulbia posted:Western leftists just hate institutions and like whichever option will make the TV people upset. I mean, that's pretty much exactly what motivates an enormous number of Trump's supporters. Sticking it to their perceived enemies, making 'the libs' mad.
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Putin's Monkey Paw wish for the Admiral Kuznetzov to stop bursting into flames has reaped the expected karmic side effect; every other Russian surface ship gets to burst into flames instead.
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Orthanc6 posted:Putin's Monkey Paw wish for the Admiral Kuznetzov to stop bursting into flames has reaped the expected karmic side effect; every other Russian surface ship gets to burst into flames instead. Judging by the twitter replies, that's a Ukrainian ship. e: though captured by Russia in 2014? fuctifino fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I’d like to remind everyone that we have rules against moaning about tankies just because you want to. If you have something interesting to say about the Greek activists or the British melt, be my guest, but otherwise consider moving on to a more relevant topic. For folks who are interested, the Greek Communist Party is a particularly dysfunctional group even within the context of such parties. They split and radicalized back in the 1960s, and now basically abhor any form of democratic government. Even Jacobin has little time for them. They have a particular hatred for Ukraine and Zelensky, and participated in the Russian invasion in 2014 as political observers. https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1181102/communist-party-to-skip-zelenskyy-house-speech-saying-hes-part-of-the-problem/ https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/01/understanding-the-greek-communists/
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Google translate of the tweet: quote:#Mariupol: the ship of the Donbass command of the Ukrainian Navy is on fire in the port (presumably) https://t.me/milinfolive/80 A bit curious that the Ukrainian Navy A: Still has active ships, and B: Has one docked in Mariupol, though.
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fuctifino posted:Judging by the twitter replies, that's a Ukrainian ship. The twit itself says its a Ukranian ship
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fuctifino posted:Judging by the twitter replies, that's a Ukrainian ship. I think those must be bots. The Ukrainians haven't *had* ships for a while now.
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Tomn posted:Google translate of the tweet: and C: that it took this long for it to get hit.
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Deteriorata posted:and C: that it took this long for it to get hit. Yeah, if it was of no consequence why hit it now, and it if was some how being used to defend the city why not hit it earlier? Very weird
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I think those must be bots. The Ukrainians haven't *had* ships for a while now. Sitting around in blockaded Mariupol is practically equivalent to not existing, given it's unarmed and therefore can't act as a battery.
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Terminally Bored posted:Useful idiots, that's what they are. Just lol if anyone thinks Russia cares about communism at this point. They will namecheck Stalin or Lenin to try and explain their bloodthirsty imperialism, sure. Russia isn't even formally communist.
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Chalks posted:Yeah, if it was of no consequence why hit it now, and it if was some how being used to defend the city why not hit it earlier? yeah if it wasn't already under Russia's control Ukraine probably hit it to deny it to the Russians.
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OddObserver posted:Sitting around in blockaded Mariupol is practically equivalent to not existing, given it's unarmed and therefore can't act as a battery. pretty sure ukraine skutteld its only ship lest it be captured
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Sekenr posted:The twit itself says its a Ukranian ship Yeah but they haven't held those ships for a while most likely.
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Despera posted:pretty sure ukraine skutteld its only ship lest it be captured As sad as the Ukrainian navy was, it had more than one boat. You're thinking of its flagship, the late frigate Hetman Saygadachny, which was indeed scuttled.
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Rinkles posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z36bohixgRY Alexandroupolis is right next to Turkey in Thrace, they would be casualty number loving ena if Putin-South (aka Erdogan) decided to lose his own goddamned mind and do the exact same version of the Ukrainian invasion. gently caress these people.
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Apparently it's the Ukrainian ship Donbas. Seems like it used to be a repair vessel and was then converted to a search and rescue vehicle as well as a command vessel. No real direct military capabilities near as I can tell, not sure what it being a "command ship" actually means. Maybe its command upgrades might have allowed it to act as C&C, possibly? It is (or was, perhaps) the largest surviving ship in the Ukrainian Navy as of very recently, displacing about twice as much as the next closest competitors, but said competitors were pretty much all non-combat ships.Despera posted:pretty sure ukraine skutteld its only ship lest it be captured That would be the Hetman Sahaidachny, the Ukrainian flagship. They've got a couple of other smaller corvettes and the like, though, but I dunno what they've been doing this war. Not much they CAN do really. Edit: gently caress, beaten. fuctifino posted:Judging by the twitter replies, that's a Ukrainian ship. Apparently most of the Ukrainian Navy was captured in 2014, but the Russians graciously returned the shittier ships to Ukraine afterwards. Tomn fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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I think I've seen a few videos now of anti-tank missiles, and the range on them and the ability of users to just be anywhere and use them is pretty remarkable. I know others have said that tanks are still very useful, but I have to think their value overall in light of this war has taken a huge hit. I've seen the video below and the one where you can barely see the the user on the roof of a outbuilding and a few others. I just would have zero confidence if I was in a tank and I knew the opponent had several thousand of these distributed in small teams, esp. with night vison. Even in a situation where I'm entrenched position, if I was dependent on armor for most of my impact, I just would not want to be up against these weapons + good infantry in a war of attrition.  for tank hitcode:
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Rinkles posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z36bohixgRY i'm a fuckin ml and i think these people are dumb as poo poo any leftist, and especially any communist, supporting this poo poo has completely lost the plot
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Tomn posted:Apparently it's the Ukrainian ship Donbas. Seems like it used to be a repair vessel and was then converted to a search and rescue vehicle as well as a command vessel. No real direct military capabilities near as I can tell, not sure what it being a "command ship" actually means. Maybe its command upgrades might have allowed it to act as C&C, possibly? It is (or was, perhaps) the largest surviving ship in the Ukrainian Navy as of very recently, displacing about twice as much as the next closest competitors, but said competitors were pretty much all non-combat ships. Many (most?) were destroyed or captured by Russia early in the conflict--it's one of the few categories on Oryx's list where Russia is clearly ahead: Naval Ships (14, of which destroyed: 2, captured: 12) 1 Krivak III class frigate 'Hetman Sahaydachniy': (1, scuttled to prevent capture by Russia) 2 Gyurza-M class gunboat: (1, Akkerman 'P174', captured) (2, Vyshhorod 'P179', captured) 1 Island class patrol boat P190 Slovyansk: (1, sunk) 2 Zhuk class patrol boat (Sea Guard): (1, 'BG 118', captured) (2, unknown ID, captured) 1 Sorum class seagoing tugboat 'Korets' ''A830 or P186'': (1, captured) 6 Small patrol boats (Sea Guard): (1, BG ??8, captured) (2, BG 311, captured) (3, BG 14, captured) (4, BG 24, captured) (5, BG 310, captured) (6, unknown ID, captured) 1 Sapphire search and rescue vessel (Operated by the Maritime Search and Rescue Service of Ukraine): (1, seized and captured) https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html (That said, I don't think anyone expected the Ukrainian Navy to have a significant impact on the war.)
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In my opinion this is a defining moment for the US and EU. We strongly identify with the struggle against nazism in the 1940s and frame it as a fight against fascism for democracy and freedom. Reality is more complicated but it is the narrative we prefer. In this light we can't accept a Russian victory without rewriting our own value system. We can't quote Churchill "We will fight on the beaches..." or Roosewelt "We must be the great arsenal of democracy..." if we 80 years later allow Russia to extract victory from a senseless invasion and Bucha and Mariupol. If Russia achieves victory it is clear that, in fact, we will neither fight nor be the arsenal for democracy. Whatever we are, we are no longer that. In my view we should dump every piece of kit into Ukraine. Tanks, APCs, artillery, planes, all of it. It stops here.
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Bone Crimes posted:I think I've seen a few videos now of anti-tank missiles, and the range on them and the ability of users to just be anywhere and use them is pretty remarkable. That's impressive for like a 1.5 mile shot, wow. I would NOT want to drive anything through Ukraine with thousands of these all over the place. One reply to that tweet that made me laugh: since it's a reply to tweet and I have no idea if it'll show the original tweetcode:Henrik Zetterberg fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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Bone Crimes posted:I think I've seen a few videos now of anti-tank missiles, and the range on them and the ability of users to just be anywhere and use them is pretty remarkable. code:Pablo Bluth fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Apr 6, 2022 |
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How are u posted:I mean, that's pretty much exactly what motivates an enormous number of Trump's supporters. Sticking it to their perceived enemies, making 'the libs' mad. Political groups hate the institutions and members of opposing political groups, yes. The same way we have multiple threads about mocking and being mad at right wing institutions and groups.
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