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When Wuhan went into lockdown in Chinese new year 2020, didn't they allow one person per household to go out to the supermarket and buy food? Why didn't they do that？ Also I just want to point out that there is no "prepper" culture in China. I ate all the remaining stock of bean cans myself last year becuase my wife refused to cook any canned food.
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Apr 7, 2022 01:57
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is China working on a better vaccine
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Apr 7, 2022 02:00
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word on the street says China are beginning to test out mRNA vaxx
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Apr 7, 2022 02:04
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Kill All Cops posted:Some places in Shanghai have been lockdown for like 2 weeks now I think, I took a look on the shanghai subreddit and most people estimated they had like 4-5 days worth of food remaining. Some people got government handouts, like 2 bags of veg and some spam. Seems most are reliant on their communities bulk ordering and there are some scam delivery services floating around but idk how prevalent that is. HK got thru the fifth wave pretty fast and without lockdown, all things considered. Hopefully there is an end in sight for the guys in Shanghai too. Yeah, one of my colleagues in Changning has been locked down for awhile, but at the same time has had some better luck with getting food in. I'm in the city center and we didn't lock down until April 1 (first day of Puxi lockdown) but we've gotten just a single bag of mostly bok choy and cucumbers, everything else we've had to get through group orders. Since I'm in a small community we weren't hitting the minimum for group orders until yesterday when we started placing orders with the community next door.
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Apr 7, 2022 02:10
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stephenthinkpad posted:I ate all the remaining stock of bean cans myself last year becuase my wife refused to cook any canned food. lol
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Apr 7, 2022 02:16
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Kill All Cops posted:word on the street says China are beginning to test out mRNA vaxx yeah but is it sterilizing or at least partial or is it just more of the same bullshit
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Apr 7, 2022 02:17
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In Wuhan at the beginning they didn't have the extensive contact tracing system they do now. Nor did they have a model for how to lockdown xiaoqu communities. One of my students in Wuhan at the time talked about how her dad would go buy groceries every few days. In Wuhan, the lockdown was very ad-hoc. Now in Shanghai you are watching the hyperlocalized lockdown model being applied all across the city. It is far more effective and sealing people into their communities. The big problem is that all the invisible labor that keeps a city working is also locked down. Even if there are lots of delivery workers, what happens when the entire city must use delivery apps? That's a massive increase in delivery orders that even if all the migrant workers who typically do delivery jobs where themselves not locked down in their communities, they wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand. And that is just the point to point delivery. Who staffs the groceries? Who brings the food to the markets? The Chinese response to covid for the past two years has been one of learning how to contact trace and lockdown communities as narrowly as possible. The skill of replacing the existing logistics chains of a city many millions is not something I believe has every really been done before in history. All these problems happened in Xi'an this last winter to a lesser extent because even there the lockdowns were more local. The city was still functioning at a certain level. These exact problems are also happening in Changchun right now. The problem we are seeing is that unsurprisingly the daily functions and logistics of a city are massive and require a huge amount of labor. These logistic chains are being sorted out of course, but when you are talking about cities of millions, any inefficiency means people are going to be wanting and in some cases starving for food. Just last week my TA who is locked down in Changchun mentioned to me casually about how the only thing she has been eating lately was moldy tomatoes. When her family got a vegetable delivery, she was so excited she sent me this photo.  It certainly feels like catastrophe. I think changes might be coming soon to zero-covid policy.
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Apr 7, 2022 02:28
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https://mobile.twitter.com/polijunkie_aus/status/1511869071616528386
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Apr 7, 2022 02:36
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Seems like China has pretty good reporting.
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Apr 7, 2022 02:41
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Kekeke! posted:It certainly feels like catastrophe. I think changes might be coming soon to zero-covid policy. certainly some things are already changing, like asymptomatic not immediately being hospitalized and instead transferred to isolation facilities and children not getting separated from their parents. HK already had omicron pass thru the community and burn itself out, it's not quite living with covid levels of acceptance, but more precautions are needed esp on days where cases are high. there has been no policing of positive cases going out into the community and the system is still reliant on self reporting right now, tomorrow people are supposed to 'voluntarily' test themselves over the next 3 days.
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Apr 7, 2022 03:07
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Something that is both asymptomatic and contagious is generally something you cant just lock down
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Apr 7, 2022 03:14
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Kill All Cops posted:not the first example of dog killing in zero covid china, probably not the last i heard beating dogs to death is praxis on this forum??
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Apr 7, 2022 03:19
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runaway pancake posted:i heard beating dogs to death is praxis on this forum?? Playtime is over
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Apr 7, 2022 03:21
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Despera posted:Something that is both asymptomatic and contagious is generally something you cant just lock down turns out you can and we’ve been doing it for two years already and it’s worked pretty well
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Apr 7, 2022 03:24
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gradenko_2000 posted:Playtime is over
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Apr 7, 2022 03:25
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indigi posted:yeah but is it sterilizing or at least partial or is it just more of the same bullshit it’s the same thing. there are no sterilizing vaccines
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Apr 7, 2022 03:28
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Was there a very recent wave of nostalgia for the Burma Campaign in the UK? I noticed that more books on Kohima were published in the past 10 years than the preceding 40. Coincidence, or does it somehow relate to Myanmar being discussed so often?
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Apr 7, 2022 03:33
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fart simpson posted:turns out you can and we’ve been doing it for two years already and it’s worked pretty well ah yes like the time they reported that totally believable and only 4k deaths
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Apr 7, 2022 03:35
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how many deaths do you think there’s been?
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Apr 7, 2022 03:37
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fart simpson posted:how many deaths do you think there’s been? more than four thousand
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Apr 7, 2022 03:38
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Frosted Flake posted:Was there a very recent wave of nostalgia for the Burma Campaign in the UK? I noticed that more books on Kohima were published in the past 10 years than the preceding 40. Coincidence, or does it somehow relate to Myanmar being discussed so often? Think that was the one part left out. You can only do so much Desert Campaign analyses before it becomes lost with the crowd.
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Apr 7, 2022 03:38
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Despera posted:ah yes like the time they reported that totally believable and only 4k deaths yes it’s absolutely believable and?
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Apr 7, 2022 03:39
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Despera posted:ah yes like the time they reported that totally believable and only 4k deaths The problem with "China has been lying about how bad COVID is this entire time" is that how do you account for them admitting there's been an outbreak right now? Why not just keep lying about it? And if the response to that is "they're admitting it now, when they weren't admitting it then, because it's too bad to hide this time", then how could they have been hiding thousands more deaths throughout 2020/2021 if this was the only time when its gotten bad enough that they can't hide it anymore?
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Apr 7, 2022 03:40
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Despera posted:more than four thousand cool, but the lockdowns have obviously worked pretty well for managing the virus. you can’t deny that.
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Apr 7, 2022 03:40
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gradenko_2000 posted:The problem with "China has been lying about how bad COVID is this entire time" is that how do you account for them admitting there's been an outbreak right now? Why not just keep lying about it? Yeah im going to pass on the believability https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/china-reports-first-covid-deaths-over-year-2022-03-19/
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Apr 7, 2022 03:40
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Tankbuster posted:Think that was the one part left out. You can only do so much Desert Campaign analyses before it becomes lost with the crowd. That’s a very, very good point.
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Apr 7, 2022 03:42
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Despera posted:Yeah im going to pass on the believability who cares what you think. you’re a miserable idiot
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Apr 7, 2022 03:45
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Lostconfused posted:Seems like China has pretty good reporting. I get all of my useful Ukraine related news from CGTN. The official Chinese government position is actually far more pro-Ukrainian than most ordinary Chinese, who quite reasonably assume the US and NATO to be at fault in every conflict no matter what, so it's kind of amusing to see random twitter comedians claim that the Chinese media is somehow pro-Russian because it's not 24/7 breathless incantations of the Ghost of Kiev or pictures of that one Ukrainian MP's bare feet.
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Apr 7, 2022 03:46
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fart simpson posted:who cares what you think. you’re a miserable idiot ad hominin so quick? good luck in your dystopia though but dont expect many people to believe that out of 1.4billion none died of covid in a year
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Apr 7, 2022 03:48
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Apr 7, 2022 03:49
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Despera posted:ah yes like the time they reported that totally believable and only 4k deaths lol china breaking minds ftw
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Apr 7, 2022 03:49
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Frosted Flake posted:Was there a very recent wave of nostalgia for the Burma Campaign in the UK? I noticed that more books on Kohima were published in the past 10 years than the preceding 40. Coincidence, or does it somehow relate to Myanmar being discussed so often? Probably. Events that bring a certain country into the news tend to have a knock-on effect getting people interested in histories and WW2 history is as popular as it comes. My grandad fought in the early part of campaign (he was artillery too, as it so happens). It didn't sound like a lot of fun.
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Apr 7, 2022 03:55
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Despera posted:ad hominin so quick? good luck in your dystopia though but dont expect many people to believe that out of 1.4billion none died of covid in a year lmao we’re not d&d you barely literate bastard
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Apr 7, 2022 03:59
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fart simpson posted:it’s the same thing. there are no sterilizing vaccines very close does though, like for measles or especially hpv. the covid jawns we have now aren’t even shown to limit transmission cause they didn’t track for asymptomatic infections in the initial trials. a measure of prophylaxis would be gangbusters
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Apr 7, 2022 03:59
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao we’re not d&d you barely literate bastard no brains to be found here
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Apr 7, 2022 04:00
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Lostconfused posted:Seems like China has pretty good reporting. Americans are so used to propoganda that they interpret "neutral" media as biased
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Apr 7, 2022 04:00
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Despera posted:no brains to be found here did d&d finally give you the boot for being obsessive weirdo
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Apr 7, 2022 04:01
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Despera posted:ad hominin so quick? good luck in your dystopia though but dont expect many people to believe that out of 1.4billion none died of covid in a year that’s not an ad hom that’s an insult. they’re different things
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Apr 7, 2022 04:02
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Raskolnikov38 posted:did d&d finally give you the boot for being obsessive weirdo nobody want to debate that chinas covid deaths might be underreported? didnt think its inflame so much hate
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Apr 7, 2022 04:04
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the thing about Covid zero is that if there is if you remove Covid from a place there will be no more deaths until Covid comes back
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