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Stravag posted:Oh man vnv nation is amazing. Sentinel homeworld and epicentre were my into to them I had my first real date at a VNV Nation concert about..... 20 years ago. After getting hooked on it from a Juno Reactor cover on my dad's computer, then getting my date hooked. I'm surprised to see so many fans ITT, they're not well known outside Germany, still. E: Ukraine Thread: Russia's doing so bad we're taking about obscure 90's electronic band.
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I was really into Wolfsheim, VNV Nation, and Covenant in high school. Naturally nobody else I knew was so they really hated my mix CDs.
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Stravag posted:Oh man vnv nation is amazing. Sentinel homeworld and epicentre were my into to them I am an old (born in 1960), so anything after 2000 is that crazy kid stuff to me.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Economist has terrible political takes and an unshakeable faith in the virtues of free markets, but it is generally reliable on checking facts before reporting them and solid on exercises in classical economics like working out MBA-style the impact of a supply disruption. Yeah, the issue with the Economist is bias and lies of omission. Their actual reporting is solidly factual, albeit sometimes an incomplete picture of the facts.
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Elviscat posted:I had my first real date at a VNV Nation concert about..... 20 years ago. After getting hooked on it from a Juno Reactor cover on my dad's computer, then getting my date hooked. Disagree, they're hilariously well-known in very very specific sectors of American society; VNV has countless "everybody to the dancefloor for their Favorite Song" anthems in goth clubs across the US. I've seen them play live six times  Alan Smithee posted:ngl when I first saw their aesthetic I was like "these guys aren't nazis....right?" I can see why you'd think so, but thankfully no. The aesthetic is derived from a wider tradition in industrial music that more or less started with Laibach's antifascist culturejamming in the Neue Slowenische Kunst, generalized into a conscious decision by antifascists to pollute or corrupt fascist cultural signifiers by appropriating them - much as a Nazi might appropriate Thor's hammer, say - and then parodying or criticizing fascism through the work in ways that Nazis would find unpalateable. Slavoj Zizek does a terrible job of explaining it here: https://deterritorium.wordpress.com/2017/08/20/why-are-laibach-and-nsk-not-fascists-by-slavoj-zizek-1993/. In other words, you don't just have to let Nazis steal your culture or your aesthetic preferences, you can steal it back and make it about being gay and doing crimes. Possibly against the State! Like, you'd think Rotersand look and sound pretty fashy, but then you listen to the lyrics and it's all Dancing on the hearts of fascists Dancing on hot ashes Strong Burnin' Sherman energy itt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40tDkChvtGA Elviscat posted:Ukraine Thread: Russia's doing so bad we're taking about obscure 90's electronic band. Kesper North fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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The 12 foot page that bypasses the paywall doesn't work on The Economist.
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Bored As gently caress posted:The 12 foot page that bypasses the paywall doesn't work on The Economist. Ublock plugin and disable scripts on the pages you want to read EDIT: Also, Laibach loving rules.
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I knew Iron Sky would be good when I saw "soundtrack by Laibach"
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Kesper North posted:I knew Iron Sky would be good when I saw "soundtrack by Laibach" There is almost nothing good about that film.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Okay so I know this is insane, but Russia isn’t insane enough to launch a missile or airstrike attack against a nuclear facility, are they? Reactors are built to survive fully laden airliners being flown into them. They are incredibly hardened.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Reactors are built to survive fully laden airliners being flown into them. They are incredibly hardened. There are plenty of things at reactors that don't react well to bullets.
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Kesper North posted:Disagree, they're hilariously well-known in very very specific sectors of American society; VNV has countless "everybody to the dancefloor for their Favorite Song" anthems in goth clubs across the US. I've seen them play live six times I got to meet Ronin Harris when I had to show up 4 hours early to a concert in Seattle because of bus schedules when I was a teen, and he took a smoke break from sound check, circa 2007, he's amazingly friendly and gregarious and willing to make small talk with an awkward teenage fan. I could see them suffering from the same issues Rammstein has concerning fascists loving them for their aesthetic while missing the point of the music, fortunately they're staunchly anti-war, and their songs in the subject are meant as criticisms. Ronin often leads off the live version of "Honour" by shouting "I HATE WAR which I also feel is a good sentiment for this thread. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Reactors are built to survive fully laden airliners being flown into them. They are incredibly hardened. Some are, older containment schemes, including stupid poo poo like Ice Condenser buildings aren't. Fortunately PWR reactors are extremely durable and resistant to physical damage by virtue of having to contain extremely hot, pressurized fluid, and the layers of steel, water, lead, and concrete radiation shielding surrounding them. The US Navy has sunk 2, and run 2 into mountains without any significant damage or radiation leakage. The problem comes when you lose power with a significant amount of decay heat, like Fukushima, very few PWR designs can passively cool themselves to infinite grace (i.e. from 100% power, to shutdown with no exterior power source the reactor can cool the fuel enough that it will not melt the cladding). Elviscat fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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Beefeater1980 posted:Economist has terrible political takes and an unshakeable faith in the virtues of free markets, but it is generally reliable on checking facts before reporting them and solid on exercises in classical economics like working out MBA-style the impact of a supply disruption. They like their centrist candidates but the fight between this is the best we can hope for and we need to push for better hasn't stopped for the last 6 uears. They are usually far left on policies like prison reform, UBI, UHC, housing, homeless, immigration, climate, taxes, etc. Their opinion pieces are obvious and they are more than happy to let you know all about their liberal bias with full disclosures about their birth in a crusade against the corn laws.
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Kaal posted:Definitely, and there’s been allegations surfacing that Russian propagandists were involved in British influence peddling as far back as the 2014 Scottish Referendum. Tories are battling to shed their appearance of Russian affiliation, and the SNP is fending off attacks on both sides as the Scottish Greens share government with them and yet sharply criticize any cooperation with NATO or the UK, and have battled on a host of touch points like vaccine passports, nuclear power, Scottish oil and gas independence, etc. Much as I think the English are cretins I find Scottish nationalists even stupider because of their pie in the sky ideas of what an independent Scotland would be worth to the EU (nothing). During the referendum I saw absolute morons claim Scotland would be fast tracked for EU membership because, uh, reasons. Note that this was before Brexit was a thing. The Scottish nationalists were even more delusional than the average Brexit voter, and I spent an evening at a pub trying to talk an Average Brexit Voter out of doing the thing in between explaining how JFK was not killed by shadowy cabal via a magic bullet. Madness. Total madness.
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Elviscat posted:I got to meet Ronan Harris when I had to show up 4 hours early to a concert in Seattle because of bus schedules when I was a teen, and he took a smoke break from sound check, circa 2007, he's amazingly friendly and gregarious and willing to make small talk with an awkward teenage fan. i was almost certainly at the same show lmao
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What I'm saying is that Ireland should invade Britain, shoot Boris and all the Tories, and then declare HM the Queen the head of The United Kingdom of Ireland and Great Britain. The average Brit is so stupid they wouldn't notice the difference.
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Kesper North posted:i was almost certainly at the same show lmao El Corazón? Are you a 6'6 person with dreadlocks, platform boots and a bustier? Because they're at every VNV show in Seattle, and very recognizable. That was the show with the opening act spraying air freshener in people's faces, where they almost got in a fight with the crowd, lol.
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bird food bathtub posted:Rebuilding Ukraine ain't gonna be cheap or quick and millions of people evacuating causes problems itself even after war concludes. Added to this is the possibility of decades of low-intensity border conflict even after this war is over.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Much as I think the English are cretins I find Scottish nationalists even stupider because of their pie in the sky ideas of what an independent Scotland would be worth to the EU (nothing). During the referendum I saw absolute morons claim Scotland would be fast tracked for EU membership because, uh, reasons. Note that this was before Brexit was a thing. The Scottish nationalists were even more delusional than the average Brexit voter, and I spent an evening at a pub trying to talk an Average Brexit Voter out of doing the thing in between explaining how JFK was not killed by shadowy cabal via a magic bullet. Catalan secessionists are another really special bunch for similar reasons. I met a couple while visiting my aunt in SW France and they gave off a strong SovCit vibe.
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Elviscat posted:El Corazón? Are you a 6'6 person with dreadlocks, platform boots and a bustier? Because they're at every VNV show in Seattle, and very recognizable. 
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psydude posted:Catalan secessionists are another really special bunch for similar reasons. I met a couple while visiting my aunt in SW France and they gave off a strong SovCit vibe. Explains why certain people were entirely hyped for that declaration of independence farce a couple years ago.
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Elviscat posted:El Corazón? Are you a 6'6 person with dreadlocks, platform boots and a bustier? Because they're at every VNV show in Seattle, and very recognizable. No, but I know exactly who you mean. I would have been a relatively ordinary looking 6' fat dude in black cargo pants and a band t-shirt. quote:That was the show with the opening act spraying air freshener in people's faces, where they almost got in a fight with the crowd, lol. OH MY GOD YES I WAS AT THAT SHOW, THOSE loving ASSHOLES Their name is Teddy, IIRC
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psydude posted:Catalan secessionists are another really special bunch for similar reasons. I met a couple while visiting my aunt in SW France and they gave off a strong SovCit vibe. He just pulled some Tankie poo poo on me last week and blamed this whole mess on NATO expansion. He gets some dumb ideas into his head once in a while, but I wasn't expecting that.
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RFC2324 posted:Teddy sounds awesome Even more extra than you are currently imagining
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I missed a context clue to understand the conversation about teddy But now I miss live music
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Kesper North posted:No, but I know exactly who you mean. Yeah, gently caress those guys is right, I was front row and pissed, I do not need air freshener sprayed in my face as part of your act, holy gently caress. I always remember Teddy, because they're at every VNV show in the front row, and I'm 6'4, so they're about the only person who's taller than me, even before the 4" platform lifts. They're very considerate in the pits and seem like a great person, we usually ended up next to each other trying not to block the short people.
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https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300561101/russia-burning-corpses-in-mobile-crematorium-in-mariupol-to-hide-war-crimes-says-mayorquote:Russian collaborators have turned Mariupol into a death camp by using mobile crematoriums to burn the bodies of thousands of murdered civilians, the city’s mayor has said. Thousands, apparently. Thousands. loving christ.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:There is almost nothing good about that film. how DARE you
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300561101/russia-burning-corpses-in-mobile-crematorium-in-mariupol-to-hide-war-crimes-says-mayor Times of Israel is straight up calling this 'the new Auschwitz': https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-new-auschwitz-russians-accused-of-burning-bodies-to-hide-mariupol-atrocities/
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Italy has PNGed and expelled 30 Russian Diplomats, Greece has PNGed 12. Obviously they're almost assuredly known GRU intelligence officers. https://www.ansa.it/english/news/20...5f24dc8b76.html https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1181599/greece-declares-russian-diplomatic-staff-unwelcome/ Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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Kesper North posted:Times of Israel is straight up calling this 'the new Auschwitz': In an age of smart phones and spy satellites I imagine crimes of this size would be easier to verify compared to the 1940s. 
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