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GilliamYaeger posted:gebura stronk I'm halfway tempted to try the fight without using her floor to see what it's supposed to be like, probably with Genesis Netzach waiting in the wings as an emergency panic button, but I guess I have to deal with the Keter Realization, the Distorted Ensemble, and the post-final-boss "Did you really think you could beat agents of the Head in only the second game set in the City??" fight before I do that if I don't want to have to deal with the entirety of this sequence all over again. yet another emptyquote about the weird pacing for the final stretch of this game
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Verant posted:I'm halfway tempted to try the fight without using her floor to see what it's supposed to be like, probably with Genesis Netzach waiting in the wings as an emergency panic button, but I guess I have to deal with the Keter Realization, the Distorted Ensemble, and the post-final-boss "Did you really think you could beat agents of the Head in only the second game set in the City??" fight before I do that if I don't want to have to deal with the entirety of this sequence all over again. And yeah, I still feel like there should have been one last tier between Black Silence and the rest of the finale that's made up entirely of remixed fights with everyone boosted up to Impuritas tier to give you a bit of breathing room, justified as sorting through the Library one last time before the end. Just cool dream matches that could have never happened in reality. Like getting to fight Yujin at full strength. Xiao and Cecil tagteam where they fight you with the power of love. All five of the Colors (Iori, Kali, Argalia, Angelica and Roland) at once. Love Town featuring Elena and Jae-heon. Fighting a team made up of representatives from each of the Fixer Associations that appeared in the game. Just something like that where you both get to have a break from the relentless pacing of the endgame while getting to play around with all the shiny new toys you got from the whole Ensemble kerfuffle.
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Apr 7, 2022 09:05
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The thing about floor analyses is that they tend to tell you more about the player and how they approach the game than they do how good a specific floor is. There are some universal truths, like the upper layer coming fully online too late to be really effective or Yesod being the Unga King for the vast majority of the game, but there's a lot of it that's strictly to taste.
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Apr 7, 2022 09:23
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TeeQueue posted:The thing about floor analyses is that they tend to tell you more about the player and how they approach the game than they do how good a specific floor is. With all that said, however, Netzach is an objectively bad floor with no redeeming qualities and I will die on this hill. 
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Apr 7, 2022 09:43
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Netzach was I think my most used floor for most of the game because he just doesn't die. So if I just wanted to run generic good decks with no plan in mind, I just shook my boy awake and sent him to work
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Apr 7, 2022 09:55
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Ruina is a game about dying slightly more slowly than your opponents, and Netzach is the undisputed king of that playstyle. He's not flashy. He doesn't give +gently caress you to power. He just kind of stays standing til the enemy dies. He's the mill deck of Ruina.
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Apr 7, 2022 10:22
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hod's floor is aces in the endgame for cocoon memes, with twelve fixers on a sweeper key page you apply like 27 stacks of fragile the turn you hit tier 2 abnormalities. any boss without a forced hp gate will instantly vaporize with that much fragile on them, with no abnormality card exodia or emotion level 5 sandbagging required. like gebura's floor is "good" but hod will have just ended the fight before gebura is done even revving up the red mist cost reduction engine. admittedly this doesn't work until impuritas so there's nothing to actually use cocoon on, but it's still really funny.
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Reiterpallasch posted:hod's floor is aces in the endgame for cocoon memes, with twelve fixers on a sweeper key page you apply like 27 stacks of fragile the turn you hit tier 2 abnormalities. any boss without a forced hp gate will instantly vaporize with that much fragile on them, with no abnormality card exodia or emotion level 5 sandbagging required. like gebura's floor is "good" but hod will have just ended the fight before gebura is done even revving up the red mist cost reduction engine. >sweeper keypage >endgame You're a madman and I love the way you think.
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Reiterpallasch posted:hod's floor is aces in the endgame for cocoon memes, with twelve fixers on a sweeper key page you apply like 27 stacks of fragile the turn you hit tier 2 abnormalities. any boss without a forced hp gate will instantly vaporize with that much fragile on them, with no abnormality card exodia or emotion level 5 sandbagging required. like gebura's floor is "good" but hod will have just ended the fight before gebura is done even revving up the red mist cost reduction engine. And I still don't get Netzach. Is Laughing Powder really that good outside the early game? As soon as I got Mind Hauler I stopped having stagger problems entirely. GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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cocoon requires maxroll, and i don't think there's any way to guarantee a maxroll on discipline's 3-7 dice without extremely impractical self-paralyze/debuff stuff. also at 2 cost trash disposal is cheap enough that you can clone up a few early in the fight and use like three of them on the cocoon turn. the sensible way to abuse cocoon is probably a slash deck, since snake slit is guaranteed to apply cocoon twice and serpent sword technique once, but cocoon + twelve fixers doesn't really lend itself well to sensible play given that twelve fixers stops working (for this) at emotion level 3.
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Apr 7, 2022 11:04
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think chesed is my floor of choice for Thumb/Torn Off Wisdom degeneracy. T.O.W. discarding cards already sets Chesed up to be the discard king, but the extra light per discard really lets em shine. try to build up a good ammunition supply, and let rip a barrage of burn/paralysis/disarm that, if it doesn't kill em this turn, it sets em up to go down the next. so long as you manage your card draw to avoid a hand with nothing but ammo on your T.O.W. user, and you're golden. plus if you're feeling cheeky: could also try slotting in one or two (no more) [Take The Shots] or [Indescriminate Shots] for that third attack die to get even more out of your ammunition. its only a one time use, but rabbits [Sufficient Ammo] passive takes care of that if its a problem. Just... keep in mind it works on your ammunition too, so ending up in a situation where you cant draw your actual deck becomes a much larger problem if you aren't careful.
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Reiterpallasch posted:cocoon requires maxroll, and i don't think there's any way to guarantee a maxroll on discipline's 3-7 dice without extremely impractical self-paralyze/debuff stuff. also at 2 cost trash disposal is cheap enough that you can clone up a few early in the fight and use like three of them on the cocoon turn. To be honest I never really thought it'd work like this, since both Emotion Coins and Boundary don't work if the roll only has one possible outcome, so I completely overlooked Coccoon. Arcanuse posted:think chesed is my floor of choice for Thumb/Torn Off Wisdom degeneracy.
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yeah, opportunity spotted works, and applying 4.5 stacks of bind/paralyze/fragile per card is still pretty good, at least against anything without power null. i should also point out that you have to add at least one copy of c-chop it off to the deck also if you're going that route, just so you can have a Canard card be the optimum play in Impuritas at least once in your life.
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Apr 7, 2022 11:20
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The most optimal floor to use is the one that has your favorite aesthetic + music, actually.
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My main goal when playing the game was "don't do the same floor twice", so Yesod won by default. Sorry, everyone else except I think one Hokma page, Request exists so you can all just go home.
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Ruina has plenty of moments that are heartbreaking-Xiao's moment with Miris before her EGO reception, Yan's ultimate realization of the pointlessness of his efforts when he meets Moirai, the moment Jae-Heon whips out the puppet Angelica, everything involving Phillip, but the one moment that always gets me is the cutscene before Literature Realization, and Angela's slow realization that being nice and helpful towards everyone isn't what A wants/needs, and that she has to be cruel and heartless in order to get them to reach Core Suppression.
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I guess I should post these rather less serious floor reviews (Asiyah/Briah/Atziluth) which still somehow capture the endgame flavor of each floor pretty well.
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Reiterpallasch posted:I guess I should post these rather less serious floor reviews (Asiyah/Briah/Atziluth) which still somehow capture the endgame flavor of each floor pretty well. Never really got that Chesed one - always figured his floor was more of a sincere "My friends are my power!" as opposed to Tiphereth's and Gebura's "My friends are my F U E L". Does Yan's key page just synergize well with the floor's abnormalities?
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Verant posted:Never really got that Chesed one - always figured his floor was more of a sincere "My friends are my power!" as opposed to Tiphereth's and Gebura's "My friends are my F U E L". Does Yan's key page just synergize well with the floor's abnormalities? Chesed is definitely the "My friends are my power!" floor. ... That doesn't stop people from pulling silly things with the Magic Trick Abno card like cloning Distorted Blade and then using it twice in a row (There was a YT video a while back with somebody doing the Puppets reception and doing exactly that, I think one of the comments on that video has a link to that.) On the subject of optimal floors, I've interestingly enough never really got the Yesod hype. Like, I know that you can do some huge unga memes on Yesod's floor, but tbh for a good 80% of the game, I'm pretty sure I was using either Hod's floor with a weird block-bleed hybrid floor or Netzach's floor going all in with pierce dice with a side of Thumb ammunition cards. My favorite floor though is definitely Binah's though. Not for Birdxodia, but for Weight of Sin + Elena memes to have a nugget that can fairly consistently stack at least 3 if not 4 Strength + Endurance with the combat pages and passives I used.
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Verant posted:Never really got that Chesed one - always figured his floor was more of a sincere "My friends are my power!" as opposed to Tiphereth's and Gebura's "My friends are my F U E L". Does Yan's key page just synergize well with the floor's abnormalities? GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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Looking at Chesed's cards and not documented (at least on the wiki I'm using) are the 5 "False Present" pages. What do they do?
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Junpei posted:Looking at Chesed's cards and not documented (at least on the wiki I'm using) are the 5 "False Present" pages. What do they do? quote:Power at a Price: Her sole breakdown page, False Present, gives you access to five gifts themed after their respective character, but have a penalty as a tradeoff for their benefits. They're added to the EGO page deck, and all can be given to one character, be distributed evenly or just not used at all if you so wish.
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Reiterpallasch posted:I guess I should post these rather less serious floor reviews (Asiyah/Briah/Atziluth) which still somehow capture the endgame flavor of each floor pretty well. Love the Keter one which is both Black Silence and "this floor has no endgame use". Poor Keter.
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Most YouTubers I've seen usually defaults to Roland when tackling modded Receptions. I guess the ability to play as Super Roland outweighs the lame Abnormality Card selection (Which tier III should I pick? Snow Queen's cards are all sucks and Leer is double edged sword). Although Lies and Curiosity Mirinae can be pretty effective at stacking +Power and buffing her teammates.
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Your Everyday NEET posted:Most YouTubers I've seen usually defaults to Roland when tackling modded Receptions. I guess the ability to play as Super Roland outweighs the lame Abnormality Card selection (Which tier III should I pick? Snow Queen's cards are all sucks and Leer is double edged sword).
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GilliamYaeger posted:
It's not god-tier or anything, but realistically when you cut away the chaff it's an Abno card with the effect of "every librarian takes less Stagger damage for the duration of the reception" with no catch. Mind Hauler is probably more reliable overall, of course, but a higher chance to keep your characters standing after a beatdown is going to be good no matter how mediocre Netzach's pages may be in aggregate.
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netzach is also a good soloist floor, because spring's genesis is an absolute win condition at EL5. laughing powder really shows off its stuff in that setup, since you'll be taking a lot of hits before EL5 and udjat protection + laughing powder lets you tank through all of them. it's not flashy or (importantly) fun compared to gebura/malkuth because you don't get to slam gigantic counter dice into everything, but i'd argue that it's way more reliable.
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It is kind of sad that Burn doesn't get something like Obsession. At most you've got Ashes and Spores plus the Fourth Match Flame EGO on Malkuth. Then again, Xiao.
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Junpei posted:It is kind of sad that Burn doesn't get something like Obsession. At most you've got Ashes and Spores plus the Fourth Match Flame EGO on Malkuth.
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GilliamYaeger posted:Xiao's basically Burn's Obsession, yes. That Burn will build up real fukkin fast once you stagger someone. Give her a Clone+Fervid Emotions+Happy Memories setup (so she can spam powerful cards AND have enough Light to spam those mass attacks she got) and the enemy will just burn to death as soon as she manages to stagger someone. But usually if you stagger someone they just melt anyway. I would think the point of status effects would be killing enemies without needing to stagger them first.
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Qrr posted:But usually if you stagger someone they just melt anyway. I would think the point of status effects would be killing enemies without needing to stagger them first. Edit: also she gives everyone on the enemy team 2 stacks of burn by merely existing, which is fun. GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Apr 9, 2022 |
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Tier 3 SOTC is just nuts in general. Yan's nuts, Iori's nuts, Xiao's nuts, the second R-Corp is nuts, they're all nuts and I love it.
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Junpei posted:Tier 3 SOTC is just nuts in general. Yan's nuts, Iori's nuts, Xiao's nuts, the second R-Corp is nuts, they're all nuts and I love it.
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Fair enough on that front.
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R-Corp 2 basically fills out 3-4 ideal B-team decks to perfection, so its more of a quantity over quality thing. I was never too fond of Rudolphs kit, though.
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clone enables all the funniest decks and gimmicks in the game though, and you may as well consider myo the other half of the red mist's keypage.
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GilliamYaeger posted:In terms of nuts level, R-Corp 2's way behind the other two. You're really only there for Clone and the super attacks for each of the keypages, and while they're all good (especially the Yujin and Happy Memories shenanigans that Clone enables) you can't really put any of that on the same level as the other three. Iori's a very strong contender for best keypage in the game, Yan is an amazing support and we just talked about the burn shenanigans Xiao can do. My clone-gashes character was my strongest one but admittedly that was with Yan and Nikolai helping out. Of course, Nikolai is also R-corp 2. And I didn't figure out some of the really crazy stuff you can pull off. Iori is indeed crazy strong, though. There's a lot of good stuff.
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I'll point out that Myo and Nikolai are both R-Corp 1, not 2. As I said, it's only Clone and the super attacks that are new in 2, everything else you can get from 2 is already found in in 1. As a result, you can get away with leaving R-Corp 2 for later if you're not desperate for a Clone deck. Typically when handling SotC, I go Thumb (because thumb soldato enables some amazing Full Stop cheese) > Red Mist > R-Corp 1 then just handle everything else at my own pace.
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GilliamYaeger posted:In terms of nuts level, R-Corp 2's way behind the other two. You're really only there for Clone and the super attacks for each of the keypages, and while they're all good (especially the Yujin and Happy Memories shenanigans that Clone enables) you can't really put any of that on the same level as the other three. Iori's a very strong contender for best keypage in the game, Yan is an amazing support and we just talked about the burn shenanigans Xiao can do. Honestly the super attacks aren't even that worth it.
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GilliamYaeger posted:Typically when handling SotC, I go Thumb (because thumb soldato enables some amazing Full Stop cheese) > Red Mist > R-Corp 1 then just handle everything else at my own pace. Where’s Cane and Church of Blue in this?
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