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Mahoning posted:“I just want to remember my son being born!” Oh poo poo, just realised how ironic this is given that that's ALL some innies can remember!
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Apr 8, 2022 21:05
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Man this show is amazing. That finale was so intense. Next season I can't imagine a scenario where the innies are not all separated from one another. No way would lumen just put them all back together in MDR.
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Apr 8, 2022 21:09
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They could wipe them all and then put them back in MDR not realizing they aren't all new co-workers.
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Apr 8, 2022 21:13
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Cojawfee posted:They could wipe them all and then put them back in MDR not realizing they aren't all new co-workers. that's the only thing i don't want them to do. i will be irritated if we need to sit through this before moving on. character development resets are never anything but time-filler. you can do it with one of them and have the others be where we are in the story, but not all of them.
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Apr 8, 2022 21:14
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roomtone posted:that's the only thing i don't want them to do. agreed. if they reset them and try to get them to continue as they were, i feel like we get to real Good Place territory, i'm hopeful for more narrative movement than having to see Mark S. 2.0 struggle with the same things
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Apr 8, 2022 21:23
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I think they could do something fun where the resets don't actually work and they slowly start realizing that they do have some memories while the outies are also working to figure things out. I would also like to see something like in that ebook they put out where the innie just innately knows the pictographs the outie had made up as a child. As much as I want to see a continuation, I don't see how things could possibly continue for the innies as things are. What are they going to do, just change the keycard for the security office and then say "Now get back in there and keep refining" while they keep scheming and plotting? I don't see a realistic scenario that isn't them coming off the elevator and being immediately escorted to the break room or the testing floor.
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Apr 8, 2022 21:24
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Great finale. A lot was resolved and I don't agree with the people who say that the innies were wasting time or not sticking to the plan. Mark and Helly were calculating and both accomplished their goals. Irv was alone so there wasn't much he could have done, maybe left himself a note instead of rushing after Burt but you can't really blame him for that once the trail of breadcrumbs presented itself. Lots of hooks lined up for Season 2: Petey/Cobel/Milchick backstories as well as the fallout from the finale. Whoever said revolving is probably using the severance procedure to keep Kier Eagan alive is likely right on the money. I am also hoping to see more departments at Lumon and hopefully they explore some other innie stories as well.
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Apr 8, 2022 21:36
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The Eagans are absolutely all true believers. "True believer" is exactly how I described Helly's Outie when talking to people about why she was so determined to keep her Innie imprisoned (never did guess she was actually an Eagan though but the reveal made total sense). Now true believers in what exactly... I still dunno. But it's pretty clear that severance isn't just some way to enslave people to them, it's a crucial component of their weird family cult.
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Apr 8, 2022 21:37
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i thought the second part of the finale was too long and also mark and rickon's scene was way too short so maybe i'm just a bad fan
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Apr 8, 2022 21:38
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Cojawfee posted:They could wipe them all and then put them back in MDR not realizing they aren't all new co-workers. But can they be wiped again? Severance is said to be a one way ticket, so it might not be as easy as just wiping memories but I could be totally wrong.
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Apr 8, 2022 21:44
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one interesting thing about the revolving thing is that the old eagan guy refered to kier as the grandfather. is he actually his grandson, or could he be referring to how long the mind transfer procedure has been going on?
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Apr 8, 2022 21:49
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Aphex- posted:But can they be wiped again? Severance is said to be a one way ticket, so it might not be as easy as just wiping memories but I could be totally wrong. Apparently Petey was entirely stored on that chip, so I assume they could just wipe the storage on the chip and start over.
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The only action among the innies that I disagree with is Irving not leaving his outtie a note. It's so obvious his outtie is trying to figure things out, at least give him some information. Everyone else's actions make sense, though. As far as "why did Helena sever" the answer is literally in the episode. Her father says severance is the future. Helena is a true believer and has been since she was a child. She wanted that chip in her since she was a child! Helena loves this poo poo and sees Helly is blasphemous to think otherwise but like all cult people thinks that she can change Helly into a believer. The thought I had while seeing the pictures of Helly at the gala was "gosh everyone looks so happy to work there... I think I'd rather work there without severance!" Kinda defeats the point, don't you think? What absolutely nobody has mentioned is the fact that Jame Eagan has something very interesting going on with his voice. I'm sure it's nothing and I'm just reaching but there was something mildly electronic in his speech. Very disturbing. Anyway, as much as this was an amazing episode of television, it's a loving awful finale for my sensibilities in what I enjoy watching. Let's see why: DaveKap posted:Thinking on it, there's a lot of heavy lifting this finale is gonna have to do in order to make me happy. I want to know what's up with Cobel, Mark's wife, Irving, Helly, and Christopher Walken. Who helped flip the switch for Overtime, what work is MDR doing, what was optics doing, what's the re-integration doctor up to, what was the goal with re-integrating Petey, and is there more importance behind Petey's daughter? Things I'm willing to keep a mystery: The board, what the company is doing as a whole, the goats, waffle party, Jame Eagan's status, the senator and his wife, and whatever else Milchick is up to. Mark's wife? The most we got was Mark letting the party know she's alive. Nothing surprising there but it was delivered perfectly. Irving? He's a mole and the innie didn't bother helping him at all. No explanation for the painting. Helly? Pretty much what many people guessed but we got a great answer to why so many photos were taken. Walken/Burt? Alive and well! I'm glad and it seems like he should still be around for Season 2 as well. Who helped with the switches? What's MDR's work? What is optics doing? What's Petey's doc up to? Is Petey's daughter important? Nothing. Completely unsatisifed. I'll say it again, this episode was beautiful, well constructed, amazing, edge-of-seat phenomenal, and I would almost say perfect. The issue I have is that it's a finale. It would have made a much better penultimate episode and despite the incredible enjoyment I got out of watching it, I only find myself aggravated having watched it. This is cliffhanger television and I hate it. I avoided Lost and The Leftovers because they were both shows with mysteries that wouldn't be explained, I'm now in the wonderfully stuck position of loving a show for how it's made but hating that I only have producer promises that it won't end up having mysteries for the sake of mysteries. I was recommending this show to every friend I could but after this I don't think I can without a disclaimer. Lastly: gently caress every reviewer who says it ends in a satisfying manner. No. It was not satisfying. My friend got me into trusting Sepinwall reviews but I should've known a guy who thinks The Leftovers was so good wouldn't match me in terms of what we find as acceptable mystery TV. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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Apr 8, 2022 22:01
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it sounds like you really wanted the season finale to just be a feature length movie that closed out the show. that's a lot of things to Want solved in a 40-60 minute timeframe
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Apr 8, 2022 22:10
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Aye Doc posted:it sounds like you really wanted the season finale to just be a feature length movie that closed out the show. that's a lot of things to Want solved in a 40-60 minute timeframe I didn't really want the season finale to be a movie, I just wanted another episode that lets us in on a few more secrets.
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Apr 8, 2022 22:15
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I was satisfied. I thought it did a great job showing how their disruption went and setting up the fallout for next season.
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If I wanted to dig deeper into why I hate cliffhangers, it's three things. 1: Sometimes writers set up a bunch of loose threads without having a plan for how to tie them up. This has ruined television in the past and when a show is as good as Severance is, I fear for the future satisfaction of watching. 2: Now that we live in the era of a dozen television subscriptions competing with each other in a post-Lost, post-Mr. Robot, post-Game of Thrones world where speculation trains are the fuel to a show's success, I fear that cliffhangers get created for impure intentions that corrupt the original art. Maybe I'm placing television on too high of a pedestal saying stuff like that but the show creator had a vision and it would suck if the vision was blurred by "we get better numbers if you do it this way." 3: Just the simple hate of being in the dark. Edit:  ing over here now that I'm reading the Sepinwall interview with Ben Stiller. He literally agrees that balance is everything and they originally were going to divulge more information but they ended up landing on having more tension, basically predicting there would be reactions like mine. Okay, that's some of my fears subsiding at least. Stiller's smart."...we were making a move to force Apple to give us a second season." is exactly what I meant by point #2. He gambled and won, we got amazing television for it, and hopefully it means future seasons won't be nearly as enraging. Okay, aggravations out of the way, let me see if I can say anything original in terms of why this episode was so great. Lotsa other people pointed out lotsa other great things and I agree with all of them. First and foremost, the soundtrack. Holey moley the soundtrack. The whole episode flowed magnificently and the composer deserves every award they can earn. Tracking through the episode, you literally can't find one spot without music and in every second of this episode, it's perfectly matched with the mood being portrayed. I honestly think the music made up 50% of what was so great about this episode, I really can't gush about it enough. The fact Mark woke up amongst the weirdest possible people on Earth to wake up near is its own hilarious joke. Poor Rebecc is gonna have to change her name again. I'm very happy that Ricken understands he's full of poo poo and helps illuminate his relationship with Devon. "I found your child! I'm the one who found her!" slayed me. I'm also glad that they didn't completely dive into the hilarity hole of having Mark recite the book from memory and making Ricken cry. They went the subtler route and I think it paid off better. Devon's house is loving massive, btw, and it's weird as hell to me. More than once someone yells something out loud multiple times as they walk out of a room because they are unsure he person they are calling out to can hear them. Add to that the fact everyone freaks out trying to find the kid when she's just on the floor in a random room. Apparently breaching and clearing in this home is so difficult it'd make a fantastic Rainbow 6 map. Everyone gets their mirror moment. I'm sure anyone could make up some commentary about that but it's a nice touch. Speaking of which, Helly's apologizing into the mirror before she breaks everything down... what are folks thoughts on that? Is she doing it sarcastically? Is it the brainwashing trying to take over? Is it Helena coming through? What could it be... Irving's surprise that he can drive is perfect because in Star Trek: Picard, where someone "discovers they know how to drive a car," it's done very stupidly and it's nice to see someone get it right. The drone shot and camerawork of Cobel driving was all beautiful. Patricia Arquette is a goddamn goddess of acting as usual. I'm going to be sad seeing her and Rhea Seehorn fight each other for awards. Lastly... concerning the idea of Burt having a wife in his outtie life... I'm glad they didn't go in this direction because it feels like a topic the show doesn't need to breach. There's enough of a hint of "could that be a thing" to let people's imagination run with it, like the person getting pregnant after being severed, without it taking on the possibility of being written very poorly and ruining an otherwise fantastic show. ...that said, if they made Burt bisexual and ran with that, I'd be all for it. There's a much more positive message there of love transcending severance and gender. Really, phenomenal television. I can't say it enough. Edit: I wonder what Helena would think of Helly's love life. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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Helly in the mirror is reciting the break room stuff and I think it’s intended as a gently caress you, but possibly the only thing she knows to latch onto to calm her nerves
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Apr 8, 2022 23:19
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If Mark doesn't play it the exact, sort of confused, sort of overwhelmed, way that he did there's a solid chance Cobel doesnt take the baby handoff, a search doesn't ensue, and Mark doesn't find the wedding photo.
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but mark handed her the baby then called her Cobel when she was going by Mrs Selvig and that winds up being the entire tell
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i am a moron posted:Correct me if I’m wrong, but mark handed her the baby then called her Cobel when she was going by Mrs Selvig and that winds up being the entire tell No, Devon hands the baby to Cobel. Edit: But before that, she confronts Mark and he says he needs to get to his sister and says "Thanks, Ms. Cobel." Cojawfee fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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I'm really looking forward to learning more about Cobel.
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Apr 8, 2022 23:43
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Yeah, gently caress this finale. Basically used the 8th episode's ending twice, off/on. Yeah, great episode. poo poo season finale.
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Cojawfee posted:No, Devon hands the baby to Cobel. Yes, that was the big tell, and it was played so naturally by Adam Scott. You see him say it, and you get enough camera time on him walking away for your brain to go "wait a minute...oh shiiiiiit" As for Helena getting the chip instead of just faking it...go back to Helena "talking to" Helly in episode 4 when Helly tries to quit. That tells you everything you need to know about what Egans really think of severed workers. She does not care.
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itry posted:Yeah, gently caress this finale. Basically used the 8th episode's ending twice, off/on. Yeah, great episode. poo poo season finale. that's so cool man
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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > TV IV > Severance: What, indeed, is you?
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Don’t we already know what’s going on in optics? They make hand crafted bible fan-fiction art of the boss man so severed employees see him as a deity?
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ymgve posted:I don't understand why outie-Helly did all that effort. I assume everyone high up in the company knows how hosed up the situation for workers is. Why wouldn't the company just pretend she worked down there, instead of getting an irreversible procedure and torturing your second half, with unknown consequences? Hell, they could have given her the procedure and sent her to work but never switch her from outie mode so she knew what was up while working down there. I think early season Helena genuinely believed the positive narrative going down there. She appeared genuinely surprised that Helly kept trying to leave when we saw her.
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dylan's glasses : his nose :: me : the edge of my seat
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Nuts and Gum posted:Don’t we already know what’s going on in optics? They make hand crafted bible fan-fiction art of the boss man so severed employees see him as a deity?
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That was excellent. And having to wait for a week for the last episode (I was a bit late to the party) only made it more enjoyable. Also gently caress that "some article I read" stolen baby finding valour guy.
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ghostwritingduck posted:I think early season Helena genuinely believed the positive narrative going down there. She appeared genuinely surprised that Helly kept trying to leave when we saw her. poo poo, i forgot about this whole part.
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roomtone posted:helly being an eagan was basically known to everyone here and probably most places which discuss the show in depth, but ask yourself if it was really a disappointing twist or if you just end up taking these ideas in from other people who collectively figure it out ahead of time - that's one reason i stopped reading the thread until now because i thought, 'oh yeah, that's probably true and might not have occurred to me' roomtone posted:i am worried about what situation the main 5 (including ms casey) are going to be in next season. with all of this in the open now, they just seem so utterly hosed. assuming they don't just get shut down entirely - which they won't, because show over  roomtone posted:i will be irritated if we need to sit through this before moving on. character development resets are never anything but time-filler. DaveKap posted:The only action among the innies that I disagree with is Irving not leaving his outtie a note. DaveKap posted:The thought I had while seeing the pictures of Helly at the gala was "gosh everyone looks so happy to work there... I think I'd rather work there without severance!" Kinda defeats the point, don't you think? DaveKap posted:What's up with Cobel? Nothing. Unsatisfied. DaveKap posted:This is cliffhanger television and I hate it. DaveKap posted:I avoided Lost and The Leftovers because they were both shows with mysteries that wouldn't be explained DaveKap posted:Lastly: gently caress every reviewer who says it ends in a satisfying manner. No. It was not satisfying.
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RE: Irving’s paintings: maybe he’s trying to send a message to his innie to find this door because he knows or has an idea that something bad happens down there
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I love the payoff of Milchick taking those pictures all season with the Helly exhibition.
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Tweak posted:RE: Irving’s paintings: maybe he’s trying to send a message to his innie to find this door because he knows or has an idea that something bad happens down there i like this as an explanation. just trying to brute force a message through the subconscious, and it was starting to work because irving was starting to see black paint.
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I have a lot of faith season 2 won't just be "okay back to work also you're all punished!" Any screen grabs out there of Irving's documents?
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I have to say the jamais vu of Mark and Irving discovering their personal connections was touching. We take a lot for granted!
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Tweak posted:RE: Irving’s paintings: maybe he’s trying to send a message to his innie to find this door because he knows or has an idea that something bad happens down there Oh poo poo, I like this. Just the sheer repetitiveness of the same painting combined with, like, one of the most iconic no bullshit, driving, songs ever. Also, the late night coffee drinking means his innie is deliberately tired in work, which makes it easier for his subconscious, in the form of the paint, to bleed through. Which would square the earlier discussions the thread had about 'if the black goo is just subconscious paint, why is it so prominent in the titles?'. Edit: Yeah, given what we now know about Irv, the painting has to be a message TO his innie rather than something bleeding through the other way like it originally appeared to be. The sheer determination on his face as he necks the coffee and plays motorhead and gets to work. That's sending a message, not involuntarily receiving one. Junkenstein fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Apr 9, 2022 |
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