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Despera posted:AGC yeah, lot of hit dogs hollering in this thread
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should have blood dripping from the gas nizzle, cmon man
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moonmazed posted:should have blood dripping from the gas nizzle, cmon man
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Well, I mean, first of all, gently caress you you wife beating shitstain. But, second, Lester is still weirdly the only right wing cartoonist to consistently acknowledge that trans men exist. Raised By Birds posted:Clay Bennett Sigh. Kellies nomination: Laziest Non-Gorrell. If this keeps up you're gonna have to rename the category to Laziest Non-Gorrell/Bennett
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Raised By Birds posted:Clay Jones Yup.
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Yeah I actually tried to figure out what they think the problem with the laptop is and... I think they're just dogwhistling to conspiracy freaks cause no media personality that can stop themselves from frothing at the mouth ever makes any specific claims about it. The only sane claim is that Hunter was cashing in on his dad's name which... yeah no poo poo. That's what rich fail kids do. It's nepotism and should be regulated but it's not salacious and it's clearly not what they're hinting at.
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 Oh hey check it out, it's the exact same cartoon from a few pages ago, except drawn in a way that doesn't portray Russians as inherently bloodthirsty monsters only capable of evil. It turns out you do not, in fact, "gotta give 'em the fangs."
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It's pretty loving funny that even the scummiest shits in this thread's cast of right wing regulars are out here making entire cartoons to scream "GAFFES!!!! MISSTEPS!!!"
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Raised By Birds posted:Rob Rogers I like this one. I read through the candidate positions today with my partner who got her electoral ballot and their leaflets. Macron's says nearly nothing at all. He's trying to hide behind no-message so that he can just win as the incumbent. Pécresse, the mainstream right-wing party, is super anti-foreigner and hates the poor rather blatantly. Hidalgo is a leftish version of Macron, but she still wants cops. The Greens seem a touch more progressive than her. The communist party has a softened Full Communism Now! message that is espoused rather loudly by Poutou and the Anti-capitalist party. Melenchon is a clearly progressive left message with nationalist/anti-European rhetoric. We didn't look at either of the far right's positions as of now. Charlie Hebdo and the 2022 French Election Let's finish up with the 3 main contenders. Emmanuel Macron, the incumbent is likely to get through to the second round and possibly win again. Marine Le Pen is a far-right candidate who lost to him last time, and thinks she has a chance to win if enough people end up just not voting, or voting against Macron, not for her. A solid outsider with little chance of getting through Jean-Luc Mélenchon is the left's best chance, but since when has the left ever been unified about anything. If Le Pen's votes get siphoned off onto Zemmour and Pécresse, he might squeak through since Hidalgo and Jadot are literal nobodies in this race and the other left candidates are perennial non-starters. Emmanuel Macron Progress Report  Not a popular figure. He claims the center though he had been PS prior to his cleaving of that party to form his own one. He's since steadily moved right. The only thing he is consistent on is being extremely pro-business, pro-capital, and pro-Europe. He's had no trouble cozying to the right's hate for foreigners but makes otherwise leftist promises on the environment and on some social issues. As the incumbent he's been projected to get through the 2nd round and is the most likely to win the election. Which would suck, but it could be worse. He declared his candidacy super late in the game to avoid being thought of and has nothing of substance to say which probably the safest thing to do.   "Macron, neither left nor right: 'I'm ahead.'"  "The poor have had trouble replacing their furniture: 'I don't see myself doing it either."'  "But who's supporting the public servants?" Macron has been for the steady privatization of the public sector and has a bad reputation with the public sector, even though he pretends to be on their side. I forgot to mention the dude is ridiculously patronizing and condescending.  "The French aren't going too far?" This may refer to his first election where he was seen as a genuine interesting figure by some people.  "The SNCF (French Rail) is privileged even when on strike: 'Pearly!'" A "pearled" strike is one that has a long term strike but only a couple of days a week, so that some work is done. The pun then shows the conductor all tricked out though. Macron's privatization has led to long-standing conflicts with entrenched labor organizations.  "The big debate: 'Little bugs.'" Probably to a reference to Macron's indifference, leading to castigation, of the Gilets Jaunes (yellow vest) movement.  "It'll be better tomorrow: 'To the future!'" I believe this image and the following refer to the rather state run economy actions taken by Macron during Covid. They were all part of the same article.  "Were your children insufferable during the lockdown? Make better ones for France"  "Equipment and Productivity: So that each French person can take a shower after we take down the nuclear reactors."  "Women, the lockdown has given you a taste for cleaning. Don't stop now"  "For our Health Independence and thanks to our technology... we will rebuild our mask stock"   "He participated in the war effort: 70000 bottles of alcohol to make antibacterial gel! Pernod has become the national drink!" Pernod is pastis, an aniseed flavored liquor.  "After the victory, keep leading us Macron" Marine Le Pen the winning loser  Her third time around, Le Pen is the daughter of founder of the Front National, the far-right party for many years in France. She has tried to soften their image to become a generalized anti-establishment party and has re-named it the RN (Rassemblement Nationale, or National Rally). It has worked and hasn't worked. I find most people still find her and her politics reprehensible, but she is the most "Not-Macron" candidate there is and so is 2nd in the polls and some have even put her ahead of him in the 2nd round. She is not good. Wholly xenophobic and with a ton of fascist baggage her election would not be good. Cities run by her party, of which there are several, are universally mismanaged. We'll see what happens.  "New enforcement at the FN"  "No I never asked for a cent from my father!" Montretout is their family property.  "Once we've resent those variants back to their countries!"  "Marine Le Pen wants to effeminate the FN: 'And one ball less!"' This and the next two images are in an article about her efforts to make the FN more palpable to the general public.  "Train the elites of tomorrow!"  "The age of the FN has evolved: 'But not that of the Cro-magnon!"' I'm not sure what that cross is, but I figure that's the former symbol of the FN, if not just straight up Vichy France.  "We won't go back!"  "Democracy is... 5 minutes for Marine Le Pen ...5 minutes for the ideas of Jean-Marie Le Pen" The following are "electoral" posters drawn up by the artists:  "A room for everyone!"  "Take into account all the different people... that make our country rich!" The batons read Black, Asian, and Arabic.  "No nature, no future!"  "Long live freedom of expression: 'Silence I'm speaking!"'  "Renewable energy: Let's push it to the next gear!'"  "On the path to work!"  "Putting laicity back in the centre of town"  "Export made in France: 'Fire!'"  "Stop violence done to women"  "The elderly, our future!" I believe that's her father.  "Eradicate the virus!" Jean-Luc Mélenchon the rebellious anger  The only left candidate with a chance of winning, he's been doing so for a while as an outside option. Not particularly popular for being a bit demagogic and full of himself. Would likely lose to Macron if he did make it to the 2nd round but still. I knew a kid who joined his party last election and left very disillusioned. Not sure what that means. He's a fiery speaker but also, an angry one. Claims of him being racist and/or anti-semitic have been heard. I don't wonder if it's not like what Corbyn faced.  "Stop laughing Jean-Luc, you're scaring the voters!"  "Jean-Luc Mélenchon, 67 years old: 'I will never leave my spot to Ruffin!"'  "President if... 'Everyone on the left that I betrayed voted for me!'"  "Underwater treasures: These treasures that the world envies us for"   "Captain Nemo presents his program..." A reference to some pseudo science in which Mélenchon thinks we can exploit what's beneath the waves, in some near future.  "O prince of turncoats, perfidy, and smokes and mirrors, pray for me..." I suspect that's Mitterand, whose election in 1980 also led to the left eating itself in France for decades to come.  Images from a rally:  "Say that tomorrow will be the day 'that it becomes too much.'"  It's about antiracism, and the impossibility of such seeing how colonial the urban suburbs remain to this day.  on the bottom-right "They're clapping for ethnic quotas!" 'Calm down."'
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And France used to have such wonderful socialist parties. I'm sad.
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Raised By Birds posted:Clay Bennett I don't know if there's a reason for it, but this cartoon being non-centered is really bugging me.
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VitalSigns posted:Lol the replies to that, check out the 4th comic complaining about pinko traitors not wanting to blow up Iraq That's the flag of Syria, not Iraq. I also think that the point of that Nazi-punching cartoon is that "If you just punch a Nazi, deplatform him and call it a day, that's not enough. You need to defeat their ideas." But maybe that's just me making poo poo up. In other news, quote:Kellies nomination: Worst Caricature
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Twelve by Pies posted:
I genuinely want to know what you feel is the difference.
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Tevery Best posted:That's the flag of Syria, not Iraq. Oh yeah you're right that makes more sense with the time that cartoon came out, Syria would be the one he wanted to bomb by then
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By popular demand posted:Goddamnit France! You were supposed to be better than us, and here you are just buying into the right-wing's obvious horseshit! Seriously? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961
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Xarn posted:I genuinely want to know what you feel is the difference. One depicts an ethnicity as being incurably subhuman, and the other one doesn’t
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Xarn posted:I genuinely want to know what you feel is the difference.
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Cloud Potato posted:Independent: After reading all about the elections, I don't think joining earlier would've helped him. It would've just made people remember faster how much he sucks. He has wins to crow about, but they're not things that most people actually like aside from business people. And those people will be just as fine with a true fascist in charge, so they don't care either way.
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Tevery Best posted:I also think that the point of that Nazi-punching cartoon is that "If you just punch a Nazi, deplatform him and call it a day, that's not enough. You need to defeat their ideas." But maybe that's just me making poo poo up. I think you're right, the idea is that kids are getting radicalized into the alt-right by social media and the internet through memes (hence the Pepe picture) and just deplatforming overt fascists isn't enough. The problem is that I don't know any leftists that think if you just punch Nazis you've won against fascism. This is why he's a dumb and lovely cartoonist, because the cartoon only makes sense if you agree with his strawman that leftists aren't actually trying to fight fascism. Richard Spencer got punched on Trump's inauguration day, and the year on that cartoon is 2018, at least a year later. I don't know if it's specifically a response to the video of Spencer getting punched, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone on Twitter was like "Remember a year ago today that Richard Spencer got punched in the face" and people were laughing at it, and he somehow interpreted those people laughing at it as "We won against fascism our job is done." Jay Rust posted:One depicts an ethnicity as being incurably subhuman, and the other one doesn’t You're a better poster than I, I was going to make a snarky comment about their reading comprehension (as at least two posters other than myself pointed out why the the other one is racist, and I even made a joke in that post about how the other one was racist). They're probably just being willfully dense, though, and I don't feel like playing their game.
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It’s still a wife and child happily greeting their bloodsoaked husband and father. Like, it’s better, but still hosed up the child is thrilled to have that teddy bear drenched in gore. Because, intentional or not, it implies Russian citizens are just a-okay with the state of things.
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Pants Donkey posted:it implies Russian citizens are just a-okay with the state of things. This does unfortunately appear to be the case for quite a lot of Russians, which yes is going to partly be a mix of heavy propaganda and comfortable lies being told to themselves. But that's exactly the point of the cartoon don't you think? Yay! Johnnys come marching home! With souvenirs! Let's not think too hard about where they came from! Probably from the just liberation special super happy operation against the monstrous nazis! I am a bit uncomfortable with the kid having a Z on his shirt though, but then again that's being used by the homefront a lot in Russia, file under the same delusions above.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Mushrooms are not plants and in fact are more similar to animals!
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Pants Donkey posted:It’s still a wife and child happily greeting their bloodsoaked husband and father. Like, it’s better, but still hosed up the child is thrilled to have that teddy bear drenched in gore. Because, intentional or not, it implies Russian citizens are just a-okay with the state of things. I feel like the blood is probably more meant to be symbolic. Like, I can imagine a cartoon like this being drawn by uh...Marty Two Bulls (I was going to say Rall, but I wanted to pick someone with good art) with a US soldier coming home from Afghanistan being covered in blood while his wife and kid run out to greet him happily. I don't think that cartoon would be saying "All Americans are evil and okay with war crimes" either, just that the soldiers are doing hosed up things but that doesn't usually matter to family and friends who are just happy to see their loved one come home. I get where you're coming from, though, but this cartoon is still better if only because it doesn't draw the wife and child as fanged demons.
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Pants Donkey posted:It’s still a wife and child happily greeting their bloodsoaked husband and father. Like, it’s better, but still hosed up the child is thrilled to have that teddy bear drenched in gore. Because, intentional or not, it implies Russian citizens are just a-okay with the state of things. This. I am not gonna go dig to see whether the fangs are how the cartoonist just draws teeth, like we have the guy who draws everyone talking with weird shouty mouths, or the other guy who draws every human as kinda melty overweight stereotypical thug, or whether he decided to give fangs to just the Russians, but I don't really see a cartoon drawing them as ecstatically happy to see the blood soaked loot is better just because it draws them closer to how we expect humans to be drawn.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I feel like the blood is probably more meant to be symbolic. Like, I can imagine a cartoon like this being drawn by uh...Marty Two Bulls (I was going to say Rall, but I wanted to pick someone with good art) with a US soldier coming home from Afghanistan being covered in blood while his wife and kid run out to greet him happily. I don't think that cartoon would be saying "All Americans are evil and okay with war crimes" either, just that the soldiers are doing hosed up things but that doesn't usually matter to family and friends who are just happy to see their loved one come home. To say that, you probably don't want to have the soldier comically overburdened by bloody loot tho.
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I AM GRANDO posted:
I think what it's trying to say is "Tankies are irrelevent, and are being dragged kicking and screaming to pragmatism by AOC and Bernie", which is... certainly a take?
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Neito posted:I think what it's trying to say is "Tankies are irrelevent, and are being dragged kicking and screaming to pragmatism by AOC and Bernie", which is... certainly a take?
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Pants Donkey posted:Because, intentional or not, it implies Russian citizens are just a-okay with the state of things.
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Xarn posted:To say that, you probably don't want to have the soldier comically overburdened by bloody loot tho. You do if lots of stories are going around about Russian soldiers doing lots of looting, in some cases in open contact with someone back home about what they're bringing back with them.
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Pants Donkey posted:I don’t get it since I never saw MLs as people with much regard for electoralism.
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Xarn posted:I don't really see a cartoon drawing them as ecstatically happy to see the blood soaked loot is better just because it draws them closer to how we expect humans to be drawn. A cartoon where Bibi is doing evil things while looking like a human being is better than a cartoon where Bibi is doing evil things with a hook nose rubbing his hands together. Because the second one uses an antisemitic stereotype. Therefore, a cartoon where a wife and child are happy to see their blood soaked husband/father returning where they are drawn as normal humans is better than a cartoon where they are drawn as fanged goblins. For the same reason.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Therefore, a cartoon where a wife and child are happy to see their blood soaked husband/father returning where they are drawn as normal humans is better than a cartoon where they are drawn as fanged goblins. For the same reason. Which, to reiterate, was drawn by a Russian speaking artist.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I feel like the blood is probably more meant to be symbolic. Like, I can imagine a cartoon like this being drawn by uh...Marty Two Bulls (I was going to say Rall, but I wanted to pick someone with good art) with a US soldier coming home from Afghanistan being covered in blood while his wife and kid run out to greet him happily. I don't think that cartoon would be saying "All Americans are evil and okay with war crimes" either, just that the soldiers are doing hosed up things but that doesn't usually matter to family and friends who are just happy to see their loved one come home. The child is excited to get bloody war loot and the wife implicitly approves of the soldier bringing loot home from war.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:
Stop it, Stantis, you can't be funnier than a real Libertarian debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcllE7fx8-I
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Xander77 posted:Ah, yes. That well know Russophobic stereotype, "fanged goblins". The fact that an artist speaks a language does not make their caricatures more nuanced nor their intended meanings less monstrous. And giving a person fangs is a universal dehumanisation technique. I would recommend focusing more on the text and less on the meanings you are trying to imply that you have inferred from outside information. The cartoon is vile.
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Xander77 posted:Ah, yes. That well know Russophobic stereotype, "fanged goblins". I mean, I don't know that having fangs is a racist Chinese stereotype either, yet we still have the Kelly "You gotta give me the fangs" cartoon about drawing racist stereotypes. quote:Which, to reiterate, was drawn by a Russian speaking artist. Okay by this logic that "Indigenous People's Day" comic by Ramirez isn't racist either.
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