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CJacobs posted:The video game Binary Domain handled it that way instead: See that! That's it exactly But I'd also be down for some Rosie The Robot and Robbie the RObot and Invasion Earth motherfuckers showing up
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christmas boots posted:What's the level/interpretation of Batty's speech where Deckard is a replicant? I strongly prefer the 'Deckard is human' version too, though Roy wouldn't necessarily know, so the emotion works the same way from his perspective, and it adds a little undertone of bitter irony. But if Deckard is a replicant, and Roy knows that he is, then it's a reaching-out to a fellow replicant who's so enslaved by the system that he isn't even aware of it, and I like that too.
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From the voice-over version, Deckard says, "Sushi, that's what my ex-wife called me. Cold fish." In the Deckard-is-a-replicant version, I see this as Deckard not being able to express emotions whereas the Nexus-6 could develop them.
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HopperUK posted:I strongly prefer the 'Deckard is human' version too, though Roy wouldn't necessarily know, so the emotion works the same way from his perspective, and it adds a little undertone of bitter irony. But if Deckard is a replicant, and Roy knows that he is, then it's a reaching-out to a fellow replicant who's so enslaved by the system that he isn't even aware of it, and I like that too. Hmm. I should watch the movie again
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The Blade Runner video game from the 90's had a different take. You played a Blade Runner, but not Deckard. Depending on how you played, you could end up killing the missing replicants, helping them escape, or running off to Mexico with either the stripper or the fourteen year old girl. It leaves the replicant/human question of the protagonist up in the air. You could be sure you're one or the other, or unsure and don't care. With the exception of two characters, most of the others are assigned their status at random, which affect their behavior and game flow. Apparently there's thousands of variations possible in overall game story. It was a pretty good and well rendered game for the time. I still have the cd around somewhere.
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Mister Kingdom posted:From the voice-over version, Deckard says, "Sushi, that's what my ex-wife called me. Cold fish."
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I'm nearly done with Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman and the current storyline concerns a white supremacist group, The GGG (Glorius Guardians of Good). They want to make Fernwood a safe place for the right people. One of its members is determined to blow up the local TV station because they broadcast Roots. Quite a few racial slurs were tossed around with one even being put on a poster. Yikes! The bomber, who is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, accidently blows up part of the auto factory where most of the main characters work. The head of the group is also management of the factory and is desperate to blame someone for the accident. Enter Dewey, apparently the only Black person in town. To make their case, they leave evidence at the scene. Namely an Afro pick and a Marvin Gaye album. Later the group decides to start their own political party and holds a telethon. When some of the money goes missing, guess who gets blamed? This time the manager guy plants more evidence - a watermelon. Obviously, this is being played for laughs to show how stupid the klan guys are, but it's still very cringe-worthy. Earlier, they had some stereotypical Romani people, too, one of whom stole another character's baby. The 70s were a weird time on TV
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:Yeah, that's why they limit their life span to 4 years. They begin to develop emotionally and begin to develop a sense of self and personhood outside of others. I mean, just imagine a toddler having a meltdown in the supermarket except the toddler is genetically enhanced for combat Or the whole thing about them developing emotions over time is wrong and they’re simply completely human slaves killed quickly to prevent them from organizing and to otherwise keep them controllable, albeit assembled by other means.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Or the whole thing about them developing emotions over time is wrong and they’re simply completely human slaves killed quickly to prevent them from organizing and to otherwise keep them controllable, albeit assembled by other means.
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I feel like any attempt to answer whether or not he's a replicant misses the point entirely. The fact that the distinction is so unclear that we even have to - or can - ask the question points out how meaningless the question is. People are people, whether they come from a vagina or a vat or whatever it is that Replicants are made in.
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Is Deckard a replican or a replicant?
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Mister Kingdom posted:From the voice-over version, Deckard says, "Sushi, that's what my ex-wife called me. Cold fish." The voice over is so bad. Carefully explaining every single thing that happens. "Roy Batty saved me, maybe he was more human than most humans?" "In case you didn't notice, my boss doesn't like replicants." "People on the street has developed their owne language."
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"And that's when I ran my first blade."
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Alhazred posted:The voice over is so bad. Carefully explaining every single thing that happens. "Roy Batty saved me, maybe he was more human than most humans?" "In case you didn't notice, my boss doesn't like replicants." "People on the street has developed their owne language." Isn't there a cut of the film without the voice over?
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Kwyndig posted:Isn't there a cut of the film without the voice over? All cuts, in fact, except the original theatrical release.
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Apr 11, 2022 10:52
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There's two theatrical cuts (both have the voiceover).
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Torquemada posted:All cuts, in fact, except the original theatrical release. It was studio imposed. That's why Ford sounds so non-plussed throughout - VO might be a Noir tradition, but I suspect he was more than a little pissed that the execs didn't think his work spoke for itself.
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Brawnfire posted:Eventually the technology will exist to Muppetify any movie Kermit: Everyone be cool, this is a robbery! Miss Piggy: Any of you loving pricks move, and I'll execute every motherfucking last one of ya!
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Jedit posted:It was studio imposed. That's why Ford sounds so non-plussed throughout - VO might be a Noir tradition, but I suspect he was more than a little pissed that the execs didn't think his work spoke for itself. I believe there's theory that the VO is bad because Harrison Ford was trying to deliberately sabotage it.
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Cleretic posted:I believe there's theory that the VO is bad because Harrison Ford was trying to deliberately sabotage it. He said he wasn't, but he's a nut, so who really knows?
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Well it's not like that's something you can really admit that you did if someone asks you. Even if there's no chance of you catching wind for it from the people who you did it to spite, a "wink wink maybe I did" is probably the best you'd get. edit: See all the folks re-examining Xena to find even more homoerotic subtext only to discover that oh don't worry it was there the whole time and they did it on purpose, but it'd ruin the television historical reason for doing so for the showrunners to say so. CJacobs has a new favorite as of 12:49 on Apr 11, 2022 |
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bitterandtwisted posted:Kermit: Everyone be cool, this is a robbery! That reminds me of an old thing that rewrote Pulp Fiction as a Shakespearean play. I even contributed a bit! It was a neat little writing exercise. But now I can't find the original site, just stuff about it being adapted into an actual play. I only remember a few bits from it: Honey-bunny and Pumpkin were Meadsweet Coney and Pumpkin-pie. The whole thing started when someone came up with "English, base knave! Dost thou speak it!?" and it just sort of spiraled from there. fakeedit: I found it on the wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20120306000650/http://pulpbard.wikispaces.com/Table+of+Contents quote:MEADSWEET: If but one of thy uncouth, base number Fifty Farts has a new favorite as of 14:19 on Apr 11, 2022 |
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Alhazred posted:The voice over is so bad. Carefully explaining every single thing that happens. "Roy Batty saved me, maybe he was more human than most humans?" "In case you didn't notice, my boss doesn't like replicants." "People on the street has developed their owne language." The voiceover was apparently written in a rush by the producers/financiers because Warner Bros said the move was too confusing. The movie is such an oddity because there's 6 versions of it, and Scott hated almost all of them.
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Cleretic posted:I believe there's theory that the VO is bad because Harrison Ford was trying to deliberately sabotage it. The voice over is bad because it is poorly written. We don't need someone to tell us what is happening and how the characters feel. pentyne posted:
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Scott's movies seem to get cut to poo poo and then get bad reviews and then he gets to do what he wanted and the reviews are good, same deal with kingdom of heaven God imagine being in a room with Hollywood producers making decisions, lmao
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hawowanlawow posted:Scott's movies seem to get cut to poo poo and then get bad reviews and then he gets to do what he wanted and the reviews are good, same deal with kingdom of heaven yea pretty much, it's hilariously cyclical. Scott's movie comes out, people go 'woah this sucks what happened', turned out it got wrecked in editing, Scott can put out a better cut, people go 'ah, there it is, nice'.
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hawowanlawow posted:Scott's movies seem to get cut to poo poo and then get bad reviews and then he gets to do what he wanted and the reviews are good, same deal with kingdom of heaven Maybe he should just get better at dealing with producers? 
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He should be more direct with them. Directer.
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I mean, I wouldn't say GOOD reviews, but they are generally "hey this is better than what the studio put out."
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Maybe he should just get better at dealing with producers? like the grapefruit technique?
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Alhazred posted:The voice over is bad because it is poorly written. We don't need someone to tell us what is happening and how the characters feel. That’s not what they mean. Harrison sounds bored and disinterested, no amount of good writing could save that
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hawowanlawow posted:like the grapefruit technique? I'm saying that dealing with producers is part of the film-making process, and a lot of other directors are able to get their visions out there in front of the public to commercial and critical acclaim. This isn't some quirky joke, this is him being bad at part of his job. And I can't imagine the cast and crew benefit from the movies only being liked way past theatrical release.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Harrison sounds bored and disinterested, Almost like he’s a robot
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A lot of directors also end up getting canned and replaced by yes men. And Sam Raimi? This has happened to several marvel Movies over the years
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I'm saying that dealing with producers is part of the film-making process, and a lot of other directors are able to get their visions out there in front of the public to commercial and critical acclaim. This isn't some quirky joke, this is him being bad at part of his job. And I can't imagine the cast and crew benefit from the movies only being liked way past theatrical release. maybe you should write him a letter
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CharlestheHammer posted:That’s not what they mean. Harrison sounds bored and disinterested, no amount of good writing could save that It's basically just him saying what happens on the screen, I wouldn't blame him for being bored by that.
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I am annoyed at Ridley Scott for convincing nerds that directors' cuts are a good thing.
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Alhazred posted:It's basically just him saying what happens on the screen, I wouldn't blame him for being bored by that. Oh I can understand why he doesn’t care, but the VA doesn’t attempt to alleviate the writing at all
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My favorite recent director's cut is Death Stranding Director's Cut purely because Death Stranding already IS Hideo Kojima's unconstrained vision, only a few years after a months long media frenzy about the messy handling of his departure from the company keeping him from directing everything himself.
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