Ukraine: The Aristoblyats

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Xakura: Jan 10, 2019; A safety-conscious little mouse!

Marshal Prolapse posted:

Not even then. It was scheduled for May this year. I was wondering if they could even finish making them or getting them operational.

That project manager has never had a more motivated team to get it out before time, and never will again.

# ? Apr 13, 2022 21:37

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 00:49

Arrath: Apr 14, 2011

psydude posted:

Apparently those are a home-grown Ukrainian design that only entered last year.

If true, it would be one hell of a combat debut.

Who else can say their program hit IOC with more of a bang?

# ? Apr 13, 2022 21:39

LightRailTycoon: Mar 24, 2017

On time, under budget, underwater.

# ? Apr 13, 2022 21:42

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

russian state media saying the ship ~~sank~~ seriously damaged due to a fire detonating ammunition on the ship, but the crew was completely evacuated

https://twitter.com/tass_agency/status/1514378082660069379

Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Apr 14, 2022

# ? Apr 14, 2022 00:24

Sir John Falstaff: Apr 13, 2010

Herstory Begins Now posted:

russian state media saying the ship sank due to a fire in the magazine destroying the ship, but the crew was completely evacuated

https://twitter.com/tass_agency/status/1514378082660069379

Sounds like they're still saying it was "seriously damaged" rather than sunk, as far as I can tell.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 00:26

Arrath: Apr 14, 2011

What's worse, losing a ship that (according to what I've seen) just replenished its magazines and re-entered the theater to...a magazine fire, or losing it to enemy action?

# ? Apr 14, 2022 00:31

Carth Dookie: Jan 28, 2013

Herstory Begins Now posted:

russian state media saying the ship sank due to a fire in the magazine destroying the ship, but the crew was completely evacuated

https://twitter.com/tass_agency/status/1514378082660069379

LMAO no they weren't those dudes are fuuuuuuucked.

:smith:

# ? Apr 14, 2022 00:33

Herstory Begins Now: Aug 5, 2003; SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Sir John Falstaff posted:

Sounds like they're still saying it was "seriously damaged" rather than sunk, as far as I can tell.

Yeah that is correct, got ahead of myself cuz I was surprised to see them even acknowledging it.

edited the post to use more precise language

# ? Apr 14, 2022 00:40

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

Herstory Begins Now posted:

russian state media saying the ship ~~sank~~ seriously damaged due to a fire detonating ammunition on the ship, but the crew was completely evacuated

https://twitter.com/tass_agency/status/1514378082660069379

if that's what russian state media are already saying i can only assume they've lost an entire battlegroup

# ? Apr 14, 2022 00:43

Softface: Feb 16, 2011; Some things can't be unseen

Herstory Begins Now posted:

russian state media saying the ship ~~sank~~ seriously damaged due to a fire detonating ammunition on the ship, but the crew was completely evacuated

https://twitter.com/tass_agency/status/1514378082660069379

Bold move to go with "it wasn't enemy action, we're just incompetent."

# ? Apr 14, 2022 00:44

Marshal Prolapse: Jun 23, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Xakura posted:

That project manager has never had a more motivated team to get it out before time, and never will again.

That�s true I was just concerned they didn�t have the facilities or production capabilities due to Russian bombing.

Also even if they�re denying it at home as being the source of the damage. I can�t imagine Putin won�t be irate hearing this and do something potentially very dumb. I don�t mean nuclear just like up the war crimes even more or chemicals. I mean the black sea is a weird thing due to Turkish controls (and then closing it), but what would be the equivalent US ship in terms of stature, even if not the same class of ship?

# ? Apr 14, 2022 00:55

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

Marshal Prolapse posted:

That�s true I was just concerned they didn�t have the facilities or production capabilities due to Russian bombing.

Also even if they�re denying it at home as being the source of the damage. I can�t imagine Putin won�t be irate hearing this and do something potentially very dumb. I don�t mean nuclear just like up the war crimes even more or chemicals. I mean the black sea is a weird thing due to Turkish controls (and then closing it), but what would be the equivalent US ship in terms of stature, even if not the same class of ship?

It's a flagship, so you really need to be comparing it to a carrier in terms of stature.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 00:57

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

# ? Apr 14, 2022 00:58

Sir John Falstaff: Apr 13, 2010

Herstory Begins Now posted:

Yeah that is correct, got ahead of myself cuz I was surprised to see them even acknowledging it.

edited the post to use more precise language

Don't worry, there's probably a decent chance you'll be right pretty soon anyway. And yeah, surprised to see they acknowledged it (although, apparently only after the Ukrainians claimed they hit it with missiles)--I suppose they figured they wouldn't be able to hide a loss that size.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 00:59

Carth Dookie: Jan 28, 2013

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

ukranian war crimes confirmed.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:00

Wingnut Ninja: Jan 11, 2003; Mostly Harmless

Herstory Begins Now posted:

russian state media saying the ship ~~sank~~ seriously damaged due to a fire detonating ammunition on the ship, but the crew was completely evacuated

https://twitter.com/tass_agency/status/1514378082660069379

Several pieces of Ukrainian ammunition, moving at high speed just before they coincidentally exploded in direct contact with the ship's hull.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:01

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

psydude posted:

Apparently those are a home-grown Ukrainian design that only entered last year.

If true, it would be one hell of a combat debut.

I'm honestly most interested in how they got targeting data, unless the Russians were stupid enough to be operating within visual range of the coastline because "not like they have anything that could threaten the MIGHTY FLAGSHIP OF THE BLACK SEA FLEET, amirite?" :smugissar:

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:08

RoastBeef: Jul 11, 2008

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I'm honestly most interested in how they got targeting data, unless the Russians were stupid enough to be operating within visual range of the coastline because "not like they have anything that could threaten the MIGHTY FLAGSHIP OF THE BLACK SEA FLEET, amirite?"

They shot where the 707s (I know they're not actually 707s shut up) weren't.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:11

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

the ghost of Van Riper struck hard and fast

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:13

Kesper North: Nov 3, 2011; EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I'm honestly most interested in how they got targeting data, unless the Russians were stupid enough to be operating within visual range of the coastline because "not like they have anything that could threaten the MIGHTY FLAGSHIP OF THE BLACK SEA FLEET, amirite?"

Presumably we have some air, space and undersea assets that can help spot a large surface vessel with powerful radar and radio.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:14

Cythereal: Nov 8, 2009; I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Grain of salt and all, but possible explanation for the Ukrainians bagging the Moskva:

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1514398732611211271

I also wouldn't be surprised if the US or another NATO power was feeding the Ukrainians targeting data.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:28

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

rolled onto its side? yeah, that's not serious damage, that ship is toast

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:31

my kinda ape: Sep 15, 2008; Everything's gonna be A-OK; Oven Wrangler

Cythereal posted:

I also wouldn't be surprised if the US or another NATO power was feeding the Ukrainians targeting data.

I'd be astounded if they weren't receiving massive intel support from NATO/EU in every conceivable manner.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:33

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1514394568405438467?s=20&t=XDlSxHsF6dQ2hSOYRf82tA

I always remembered this from red forces recce that Slava CG those external missiles were like knives that you use to make a sandwich that you'd slobber/Slava over. It was a dumb trick but still remember if 15 years on from A School

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:34

Deteriorata: Feb 6, 2005

my kinda ape posted:

I'd be astounded if they weren't receiving massive intel support from NATO/EU in every conceivable manner.

There's been Global Hawks and AWACs (and who knows what else) circling the area nearly every day.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:35

McNally: Sep 13, 2007; Ask me about Proposition 305

Do you like muskets?

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

rolled onto its side? yeah, that's not serious damage, that ship is toast

Ships only do this when they're in distress.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:42

GD_American: Jul 21, 2004; LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

rolled onto its side? yeah, that's not serious damage, that ship is toast

I wish I could find this online, but growing up occasionally my dad would take me to his office; he was dockmaster on the Steadfast, a floating drydock stationed at 32nd Street. I remember he had a framed drawing that was one of those 1980s proto-memes that looked like a mimeograph of a photocopy of a tracing, just terrible quality.

Anyway, it said DOCKMASTER VISUAL GUIDE, and it had a ship sitting upright in the water, and underneath it said ACCEPTABLE.

The next one was laying sideways on the water at a 90 degree list, and underneath it said BARELY ACCEPTABLE

The third one was fully upside down, and it said UNACCEPTABLE

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:44

Wingnut Ninja: Jan 11, 2003; Mostly Harmless

McNally posted:

Ships only do this when they're in distress.

They roll over to port at the top of the hour, and to starboard at the bottom of the hour.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:45

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Disappointed there wasn't a fourth image with no ship at all that just said "SOMEONE ELSE'S PROBLEM."

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:46

Soul Dentist: Mar 17, 2009

The Moskva lays on its back, its belly baking in the Black Sea sun, firing its big dumb missiles trying to do war crimes, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 01:48