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madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Note that he said back pay, not benefits. Probably collecting money he was contractually obligated to, but the purse was on empty in '44-45.

Correct.

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Joke Miriam
Nov 17, 2019



You get any war stories from that grandpa?

Woodchip
Mar 28, 2010
https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1514587421622648833?s=21&t=v2yQcWe4RYYdudeXaQtGaQ

Dicks, dicks never change.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

madeintaipei posted:

Hell, the current German state paid out WW1 Askari in the 1950's. The US and Vietnam still identify and repatriate MIA soldiers' remains.

The story of how the Askari were paid is a great military anecdote in itself.

The Askaris were native troops raised by this very German fellow in East Africa to fight the British in WW1. They did a very good job of it. As an illustration, von Lettow-Vorbeck's forces were in the middle of an offensive into what is now Zimbabwe when they were informed that the rest of Germany had signed the Armistice several days earlier to avoid their forces on the Western Front being totally overrun. When he was marched off to a British POW camp every one of his Askaris tried to follow him.

As German soldiers who had fulfilled their terms of enlistment, the Weimar Republic and the prewar Nazi regime issued them pensions despite the former Askaris now being residents of British colonies. Then WW2 happened and things got complicated. It wasn't until 1964 than the West German government decided to resume paying the remaining Askaris. The trouble was that it was now fifty years since the war began and most of the surviving Askaris who could make it to where the German officials were waiting to register them didn't have their original paperwork because they lived in the middle of Africa during the 20th century. Since the Askaris were owed what in African terms was a sizeable chunk of change, the Germans wanted to make sure they paid the right people. Some were able to provide bits of their old uniforms as proof but many had nothing at all in the way of evidence of service. One of the bankers involved, an ex-soldier himself, suggested that those claimants without documentation perform the old Imperial manual of arms using a broom in place of a K98k. Not a man failed to complete the drill and all were paid.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Von Lettow was also in the best episode of Young Indiana Jones.

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

psydude posted:

We've already discussed this a good bit in this thread, but CNN has a nice summary of the issues Russia is having with motor transport and vehicle maintenance issues:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/14/europe/ukraine-war-russia-trucks-logistics-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

It's a good read for anyone who hasn't been following the twitter threads religiously.

If I come away from this thread having learned only one thing, it will be the importance of auto mechanics and pallets.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

cruft posted:

If I come away from this thread having learned only one thing, it will be the importance of auto mechanics and pallets.

You can’t cut back on logistics. You will regret this.

cruft
Oct 25, 2007

FrozenVent posted:

You can’t cut back on logistics. You will regret this.

Look, man, I never said I wanted to! But especially not now.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

cruft posted:

Look, man, I never said I wanted to! But especially not now.

Make sure you invest in Chepp pallets. Don't skimp.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

cruft posted:

If I come away from this thread having learned only one thing, it will be the importance of auto mechanics and pallets.

Between navy UNREPs and the air force's massive investment in tankers, it's undeniable that one of the key elements of US military dominance is deep familiarity with, and emulation of, the drive-thru window concept.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Cimber posted:

Make sure you invest in Chepp pallets. Don't skimp.

Whoah easy there Mr Moneybag.

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61114843

Down she goes.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
And the Russian submarine forces increase! Russia Stronk!!!

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously


Whoa! Wonder if it sunk quickly and it took a while to confirm or if the onboard fires got out of control. Would assume the rescue vessels would have done all they could to tow it back to shore to avoid the black eye of losing it completely.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
they said it sank while being towed.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
I love how the ship apparently held on just long enough for a massive wave of cope to give a tiny bit of hope to the pro-russia people. Say what you will about the moskva, but she had dramatic timing

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).


I am gonna have a smile for the rest of the day now.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Of course everyone serving on her is 100% OK and definitely still alive.

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Whoa! Wonder if it sunk quickly and it took a while to confirm or if the onboard fires got out of control. Would assume the rescue vessels would have done all they could to tow it back to shore to avoid the black eye of losing it completely.

Pentagon said she was headed home under own power, so I guess "got out of control" is it.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

psydude posted:

Of course everyone serving on her is 100% OK and definitely still alive.

especially those poor bastards in the engine compartments.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Cimber posted:

especially those poor bastards in the engine compartments.

Hey, someone gives a poo poo about us!

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.


So that's by far the biggest warship to be sunk in combat since the Belgrano, right?

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Terrifying Effigies posted:

So that's by far the biggest warship to be sunk in combat since the Belgrano, right?

They’re pretty comparable in size. I think Moskva juuuuust about edges out General Belgrano.

I’ve been trying to figure out the last time a major surface combatant (not destroyers in WWII, but a cruiser or larger) was sunk by shore batteries.

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

MrYenko posted:

They’re pretty comparable in size. I think Moskva juuuuust about edges out General Belgrano.

I’ve been trying to figure out the last time a major surface combatant (not destroyers in WWII, but a cruiser or larger) was sunk by shore batteries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Bl%C3%BCcher

Edit: That one was particularly embarrassing. They got torpedoed by a fort.

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

MrYenko posted:

They’re pretty comparable in size. I think Moskva juuuuust about edges out General Belgrano.

I’ve been trying to figure out the last time a major surface combatant (not destroyers in WWII, but a cruiser or larger) was sunk by shore batteries.

Other way around, Belgrano is 12.2k ton, Moskva 11.5k ton.

Xakura
Jan 10, 2019

A safety-conscious little mouse!

EasilyConfused posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Bl%C3%BCcher

Edit: That one was particularly embarrassing. They got torpedoed by a fort.

With whitehead torpedoes, the original torpedo.

(Drøbak sound is 500 meters across though, it's not the most difficult shot)

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

EasilyConfused posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Bl%C3%BCcher

Edit: That one was particularly embarrassing. They got torpedoed by a fort.

:captainpop:

Thanks!

Xakura posted:

Other way around, Belgrano is 12.2k ton, Moskva 11.5k ton.

Belgrano is 12.2k at full combat load, yes. The Slavas are six feet wider, a handful of feet longer, and draw quite a bit more. I’m pretty sure it’s a toss up of what each one is loaded with to call it. If the Russians published her empty displacement, it’s no contest at all.

DekeThornton
Sep 2, 2011

Be friends!

EasilyConfused posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Bl%C3%BCcher

Edit: That one was particularly embarrassing. They got torpedoed by a fort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ79i11JSnU

cruft
Oct 25, 2007


Wow.

Slashrat
Jun 6, 2011

YOSPOS

EasilyConfused posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Bl%C3%BCcher

Edit: That one was particularly embarrassing. They got torpedoed by a fort.

With german-made torpedoes, no less!

e: Austro-hungarian actually, upon double-checking, but 40 years old at the time they were fired and the norwegians weren't even sure if they were in working order

Slashrat fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Apr 14, 2022

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

EasilyConfused posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Bl%C3%BCcher

Edit: That one was particularly embarrassing. They got torpedoed by a fort.

Oh yeah weren't Norwegian shore defenses one bright spot for the Allies during that campaign?

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Slashrat posted:

With german-made torpedoes, no less!

e: Austro-hungarian actually, upon double-checking, but 40 years old at the time they were fired and the norwegians weren't even sure if they were in working order

That's awesome

Orlando Furioso
Nov 7, 2012
Looks like Belgorod has spontaneously combusted again

https://mobile.twitter.com/NotWoofers/status/1514724874929025039

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
The Belgorod Peoples' Republic is in dire straits yet again, who will rescue them?

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/ 1514644932832681994

Ukraine’s General Staff reports that 70 Russian soldiers, including many of Kadyrov’s Chechens, have been killed while patrolling the occupied city of Melitopol & surrounding areas.

The soldiers have been shot or stabbed by Ukrainian resistance cells during nighttime patrols.

Link broken as the first picture is a non gory picture of a dead chechen.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

psydude posted:

Of course everyone serving on her is 100% OK and definitely still alive.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1514713072182738945

The other 500-ish sailors are 100% OK /s.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
A Turkish ship was reported as picking up 50+...

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Mozi posted:

A Turkish ship was reported as picking up 50+...

What happens from here? Does Turkey drop them off in Russia, or put them in a hotel until things are sorted out?

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
Turkey is not a belligerent so has no reason or right to hold them.

The news out of Belgorod tonight is interesting. I think the Ukrainians were warning of the possibility of a bombing there as a false flag a couple of days ago. As far as I know they never claimed responsibility for the helicopter attack the other day either.

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Jul 21, 2004

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