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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Private Speech posted:

e: Also if it's "about male economic migrants in the main" what about people like me, a male (legal) economic migrant from eastern europe?

They clearly use "migrants" to mean "illegals, alien scum, just filth" but you'd expect ministers to be more careful with their words.

I'm sure you already know the answer to that one, but if not get yourself a brown paper bag and run a quick self-comparison.

You'd think that working age "economic migrants" are exactly what a country that has huge labour shortages in multiple critical sectors would want. But racism is more important.

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Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Reminder that WOOFWOOFWOOF the source BARK on it being "male economic migrants" is BARKBARK one fuckwit in a car crash interview on GRRRRRRRR telly this morning, the actual WOOFWOOF plans are BARK asylum seekers.

Sorry about the dog btw idk what's gotten into them

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Truly amazing ‘this you’ of the kind of candidate Starmer is attracting to the Labour Party, worth clicking through to read all his comments in the original thread

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1514568053534740486?s=21&t=Uv6naMXsORbTb3RwzGZICw

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral

Borrovan posted:

Reminder that WOOFWOOFWOOF the source BARK on it being "male economic migrants" is BARKBARK one fuckwit in a car crash interview on GRRRRRRRR telly this morning, the actual WOOFWOOF plans are BARK asylum seekers.

Sorry about the dog btw idk what's gotten into them
yup
https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1514575451074744323

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Turns out the only people who actually like this hideous policy are leave voting Tories, quelle surprise.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1514590971354308610?t=o0Cy7NfVlPdRu64j2T_Vtg

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

therattle posted:

I thought the two words meant the same thing, but am happy to be corrected. She is literally evil.
They're very much used interchangeably, but as far as I was aware the main difference is that a sociopath has more control moment to moment. In a situation where a psychopath is triggered by someone, they will almost always react instantly and find it difficult to hold back their antisocial behaviour.

A sociopath however is able to wait for a moment in which they are less likely to get caught, or will obsess over harming the person later. It may also be that the 'victim' has not transgressed against them in any way, the sociopath simply does not see the other person as more important than their desire to have fun hurting them.

There used to be an aspect to the diagnosis of neurosis vs psychosis, i.e. psychopaths were acting on an impaired sense of reality whereas sociopaths operated on obsessive feelings and an otherwise unimpaired experience of reality. I think that view is a little outdated now though.

Generally, sociopaths are typified now by an extended lack of empathy for other people (they don't see them as real or important), an inability to deal with boredom (often making their lives 'interesting' at the expense of others) and a hedonistic desire for sensory stimulation. They are notoriously charismatic and charming in covering up their inner nature.

I'm sure I can't think of a certain binbag or an entire political party that fulfils this brief.


Borrovan posted:

See my grandparents, who genuinely honestly tell themselves that the reason they keep voting for the party who keep cutting the pay of literally every single direct descendant they have over the age of 7 months is out of care for us (we're all public sector, if it wasn't clear)
A few months ago I had an incredibly frustrating discussion with my brother, who was trying to say that he couldn't see what was so bad about Starmer. Eventually he came round to my great aunt and uncle (the nearest we have to living grandparents on my side) and how they were forced to vote conservative because they remember the seventies and 'people like Corbyn always drive inflation up and that's how people like [great aunt & uncle] end up losing their house.'

In hindsight it was hilarious with everything that's going on now, but frustrating because I offered him so many multiple examples of lying, siding with tory ideology, ignoring and driving out the membership, rewriting the law to boot Corbyn out after riding his coat tails; he just didn't want to listen, and kept saying 'nobody's been able to explain what's so bad.'


Noxville posted:

Truly amazing ‘this you’ of the kind of candidate Starmer is attracting to the Labour Party, worth clicking through to read all his comments in the original thread

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1514568053534740486?s=21&t=Uv6naMXsORbTb3RwzGZICw
Literal 'we're all looking for the person who did this.'

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
It's disgusting that Keith is importing these assorted tories who are just on the lookout for their own high salary (more than 95th percentile), all expenses paid, sinecures in to the Labour Party and who don't give a poo poo about people (else they would never have been tory in the first place) while witholding the whip from Corbyn who has been a staunch socialist all his life.

:bahgawd: :guillotine:

It's really going to take some nose-holding, pomade wearing to vote labour in the next GE. (Labour are 2nd to tory round here.)

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I have legitimate concerns about all these male economic migrants into the Labour Party. I'm not racist, but you should see some of their cultural values.

mrpwase
Apr 21, 2010

I HAVE GREAT AVATAR IDEAS
For the Many, Not the Few


keep punching joe posted:

Turns out the only people who actually like this hideous policy are leave voting Tories, quelle surprise.

https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1514590971354308610?t=o0Cy7NfVlPdRu64j2T_Vtg

It's absolutely not a surprise, but seeing this today still made me feel sick. 35% support this, for gently caress's sake!

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral


edit: don't listen to those crazy lefty lawyers who don't want people to be put at risk of being raped and murdered
https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1514634953279127553?cxt=HHwWgoC-qeKdiIUqAAAA

Apraxin fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Apr 14, 2022

Convex
Aug 19, 2010

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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Good lord, can we nut just curb a rich oval office every time they say this poo poo?

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I was this years' old when I found out Priti Patel's dad used to be a UKIP member and stood as a UKIP councillor.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Guavanaut posted:

I have legitimate concerns about all these male economic migrants into the Labour Party. I'm not racist, but you should see some of their cultural values.

I don't think we should send those migrants to Rwanda, though. For the sake of Rwanda, not them

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

fuctifino posted:

I was this years' old when I found out Priti Patel's dad used to be a UKIP member and stood as a UKIP councillor.

drat you're telling me the psycho racist has a dad who sucks boiled turds?

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!






loving yikes

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Skarsnik posted:



loving yikes

Is that loving real?!

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
bigging up a horrible migration policy like it's a new product hitting the market

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Jeherrin posted:

Is that loving real?!

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Barry Foster posted:

Jeherrin posted:

Is that loving real?!

e: Fuuuuuu


https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1514560704732409858

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)
gently caress.

loving gently caress gently caress.

These people are the loving enemy. Tories are loving demons in human skins, I swear to god. Fascists, the lot of them.

I can't really write what I want to say

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Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

It's performative cruelty, pure and simple. It certainly doesn't help the people claiming asylum, but there's also absolutely no evidence it will deter "people smugglers" or cost the state less than processing them in the UK, or achieve basically anything other than hurting asylum seekers.

There's no logical reason for a policy like this to exist. It's aimed purely at voters who get a warm, fuzzy feeling inside at the thought of hurting black people.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Barry Foster posted:

gently caress.

loving gently caress gently caress.

These people are the loving enemy. Tories are loving demons in human skins, I swear to god. Fascists, the lot of them.

I can't really write what I want to say

EDIT



This is not an emptyquote

gently caress. There are no words. This is indescribable. This is 1933 and again 1937 and again 1939 and again 1943 and again 1945 and I don’t think there’s any recovery. A party and a population fully bought into genocidal apartheid, trafficking, and murder in plain sight. Open, voted-for mass murder of the undesirables.

I have no belief or hope left. This is the beginning of an accepted, desired holocaust.

Jeherrin fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Apr 14, 2022

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Jeherrin posted:

I have no belief or hope left

Have hope and faith in your comrades. Seriously - remember there are many, many people out there who still think and feel like you do. Win or lose, we're all still together, and we're not completely powerless.

Despair is what the fascists want. Despair is what fascism thrives on. They are basically the same thing

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Jeherrin posted:

I have no belief or hope left. This is the beginning of an accepted, desired holocaust.
The Conservative Party: what if the holocaust but outsourced to the free market?

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Barry Foster posted:

Have hope and faith in your comrades. Seriously - remember there are many, many people out there who still think and feel like you do. Win or lose, we're all still together, and we're not completely powerless.

Despair is what the fascists want. Despair is what fascism thrives on. They are basically the same thing

Yeah. I know you’re right. It’s just—I mean; gently caress, on may 5th I have to vote and who the gently caress even do I bother with? I’ve voted labour passively; I’ve voted labour with real hope (Jam Man!) and I’ve held my nose and voted labour to give them the benefit of the doubt. But now labour are a loving wasteland of wet-egg flaccid fascism and the tories are fully erect, lubed up fascism and if I want the vote to count what the gently caress does a bod do?

gently caress this loving hellpit.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

TACD posted:

The Conservative Party: what if the holocaust but outsourced to the free market?
The Conservative Party: so you're saying if we help you murder them over there, we won't even need to do it over here?

For not even the first or second or third time.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

I get what somebody was saying earlier about "We should object to this because it's fascism, not because it's expensive" but also:

https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1514493348643581954?s=20&t=eEuwBU9xmuC6sN5dOVSV4g

I agree with this.

Some people will only see it in terms of money cost.

Like it would literally be cheaper just to build a house for each person that comes to the UK and house them in it and give them free IKEA furniture and a flatscreen TV and all the other shite that people already seem to believe happens when refugees are let in, than it will be to send them to Rwanda.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

WhatEvil posted:

I get what somebody was saying earlier about "We should object to this because it's fascism, not because it's expensive" but also:

https://twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1514493348643581954?s=20&t=eEuwBU9xmuC6sN5dOVSV4g

I agree with this.

Some people will only see it in terms of money cost.

Like it would literally be cheaper just to build a house for each person that comes to the UK and house them in it and give them free IKEA furniture and a flatscreen TV and all the other shite that people already seem to believe happens when refugees are let in, than it will be to send them to Rwanda.

The idea the the only route to make genocide unpalatable is MUH HEATING BILLS is perverse to the point of sadism. I don’t think you’re wrong. I just wish you were.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I don't think many people would be convinced by that argument either, they already love the government spending christ knows how much money to kill disabled and unemployed people rather than just paying them subsistence.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Hidingo Kojimba posted:

It's performative cruelty, pure and simple. It certainly doesn't help the people claiming asylum, but there's also absolutely no evidence it will deter "people smugglers" or cost the state less than processing them in the UK, or achieve basically anything other than hurting asylum seekers.
https://twitter.com/AvaSantina/status/1514518467776499714?t=t9sFjA8kdZgp_vL3Kmh66A&s=19


https://twitter.com/RichardJMurphy/status/1514669720020135936?t=I2lUMG0UcBb_EOH401Lvtw&s=19

https://twitter.com/jayrayner1/status/1514567997142310917?t=YEDkNI3MnOQxB7GE1nuJqQ&s=19

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Jeherrin posted:

Yeah. I know you’re right. It’s just—I mean; gently caress, on may 5th I have to vote and who the gently caress even do I bother with? I’ve voted labour passively; I’ve voted labour with real hope (Jam Man!) and I’ve held my nose and voted labour to give them the benefit of the doubt. But now labour are a loving wasteland of wet-egg flaccid fascism and the tories are fully erect, lubed up fascism and if I want the vote to count what the gently caress does a bod do?

gently caress this loving hellpit.

Honestly, again, at this point I'd place your faith in your people rather than in parliamentary democracy

Like, the system is only going to become more and more utterly unresponsive to the actual needs of human beings - it's spiralling out of control into an ouroboros of spite, hatred, incompetence and greed, palatable only to the most hardcore and reality-resistant CHUDs, and it's going to take an intervention of some quite enormous extra-state, extra-legal magnitude to start to correct it

Try to make other people start to understand this, if they're at all receptive and not already long-gone

EDIT

Required reading:
https://sandhoefner.com/2019/01/27/on-disbelieving-atrocities/

Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Apr 14, 2022

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Jeherrin posted:

The idea the the only route to make genocide unpalatable is MUH HEATING BILLS is perverse to the point of sadism. I don’t think you’re wrong. I just wish you were.

Sadly, it is the children who are wrong.

And in government.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

The guttertrash pseudo-left wing press: CORBYN IS ANTISEMITIC

The tories: hold my loving beer, watch this, we’re going to do a Heydrich

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012
Anyway I’m drunkdespairposting so I am going to bed. I’m glad y’all exist. You’re good people.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
God this is heartbreaking.

Paperhouse
Dec 31, 2008

I think
your hair
looks much
better
pushed
over to
one side
I loving hate everything that the Labour party has become and I thought I wouldn't even bother giving them my vote, but I dunno. We often say in this thread that they're just the same, but really. They're not doing this, and I don't think they would. I honestly cannot believe this policy

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

OwlFancier posted:

I don't think many people would be convinced by that argument either, they already love the government spending christ knows how much money to kill disabled and unemployed people rather than just paying them subsistence.

Indeed. The past five years has shown us that people will happily vote for poo poo that's very obviously against their own material interests as long as they believe that whatever Otherised group they've been taught to hate will suffer worse.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Paperhouse posted:

I loving hate everything that the Labour party has become and I thought I wouldn't even bother giving them my vote, but I dunno. We often say in this thread that they're just the same, but really. They're not doing this, and I don't think they would. I honestly cannot believe this policy

They might not instigate it, but I doubt they would change it, other than to do worse at yarls wood or something.

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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Paperhouse posted:

I loving hate everything that the Labour party has become and I thought I wouldn't even bother giving them my vote, but I dunno. We often say in this thread that they're just the same, but really. They're not doing this, and I don't think they would. I honestly cannot believe this policy

I agree, but fwiw I think it's only a lack of creativity and spine that's holding them back. The tories are ready to go full culture war over every little thing and so don't mind bulldozing in holocaust level policies whereas I'm pretty sure starmer would pee his pants if a lawyer tweeted mean things at him.

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