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Tiberius Christ posted:Lol I loved this episode it goes from childhood trauma to getting arrested by the fbi and somehow I cant stop watching Don’t forget the mystical bottle summoning ritual between those. This show is batshit and I love it.
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HD DAD posted:Don’t forget the mystical bottle summoning ritual between those. In the span of 40 minutes we went from gently caress you Evil Therapist, to gently caress you Dad, to no wait, gently caress you Mom, to gently caress you Q, to gently caress the Police to possibly in the next episode gently caress the Time Police. It's beautifully wild.
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Charity Porno posted:they have severely mentally ill people in all the old Treks. They clearly have not "cured" mental illness even in Picard as Captain time. Like I said I acknowledge that Star Trek doesn't have a great history to begin with when it comes to this topic (see Barclay) but doubling down on it and even making it more extreme is just not convincing me. I guess I would ignore it in a better show and there is still the chance that it might turn out to be more than what it seems but it still irks me (and you don't need to have mental illness "cured", ST has clearly established that it is still a thing and that they don't believe in genetic modification to fix such issues but you'd still expect people to handle the illness differently). The sad part is that I actually like Picard's mom as a character and the scene between Picard and his dad were engaging (some actually good dialogue too) but I just can't give NuTrek the benefit of the doubt anymore. I feel a story like this would be perfect to explore in an episodic show but here it will probably be just a puzzle piece of the overall mystery and thus Picard's personal trauma will have to be in direct connection to the overall plot because that's what NuTrek does. The trauma of his mother's illness could just be a B plot in a better show to underline certain themes or explore a character but these sort of subtleties are probably not wanted so some big "reveal" is yet to come and the
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LinkesAuge posted:The trauma of his mother's illness could just be a B plot in a better show to underline certain themes or explore a character but these sort of subtleties are probably not wanted so some big "reveal" is yet to come and the This is why I'm worried that Talinn is literally Laris, and by the time the Borg attack the USS Stargazer for the last few hundred years she's been watching over Picards professionally.
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 After Picard is injured, Jen hands his Morpher to Renee, because it is DNA encoded and will allow her to become the red ranger and help them catch Ducansik
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LinkesAuge posted:The sad part is that I actually like Picard's mom as a character and the scene between Picard and his dad were engaging (some actually good dialogue too) but I just can't give NuTrek the benefit of the doubt anymore. I mostly agree and there are so many more ways to explore it than needing to have Picard in a mental coma in order to tell us what happened to him. It's like they couldn't figure out a way to get Picard to confront it in real life, so they had to contrive a way to show us what was literally happening in his subconscious. The way it's going it seems like Picard is going to free his mother and then she's going to do something to hurt or endanger him, maybe even hurt herself, and then he'll throw a rock through the glass they painted together as a symbolic way of burying the memory. So it ties back in because that emotional scar is what's been keeping him from opening up his whole life. I've never been a fan of "they're screwed up because of their parents" character development anyway. I'm not looking forward to it.
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HD DAD posted:It’s going to end Monty Python and the Holy Grail style with the time police just arresting everybody, including Q, for just loving up the timeline so badly. I will accept this only if he says something like In the 31st century, we've figured out how to apprehend Q's. We've been looking for this one for a while.
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When are we going to get to the part where Picard reveals/discovers he is Wesley's biological father but just couldn't accept it because of his (apparently) terrible relationship with his own father?
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Kesper North posted:This is why I'm worried that Talinn is literally Laris, and by the time the Borg attack the USS Stargazer for the last few hundred years she's been watching over Picards professionally. If Talinn knows Jean-Luc has to time travel to ensure Renée goes to space and her mission is to watch and guide that to happen, then surely she'd have to also guide Jean-Luc in the future to ensure he safely completes it as well, right? Because time travel is stupid. So, it like, kind of makes sense it's her to a degree? Except it's also really stupid.
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Onomarchus posted:When are we going to get to the part where Picard reveals/discovers he is Wesley's biological father but just couldn't accept it because of his (apparently) terrible relationship with his own father? This would be an interesting reveal that's tied to something that was actually hinted at about Picard's character, so the answer is never.
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Typical Pubbie posted:This would be an interesting reveal that's tied to something that was actually hinted at about Picard's character, so the answer is never. When did they ever hint at that?
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Charity Porno posted:When did they ever hint at that? When did they ever hint at Picard being Wesley's father?
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Typical Pubbie posted:When did they ever hint at Picard being Wesley's father? Yeah
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Typical Pubbie posted:When did they ever hint at Picard being Wesley's father? The episode with the teleporting terrorists, Bev tells Picard in case she does there something he needs to know about - and then it's interrupted and that thought is not finished
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Super Deuce posted:If Talinn knows Jean-Luc has to time travel to ensure Renée goes to space and her mission is to watch and guide that to happen, then surely she'd have to also guide Jean-Luc in the future to ensure he safely completes it as well, right? Because time travel is stupid. So, it like, kind of makes sense it's her to a degree? Except it's also really stupid. The fact that it's stupid is why I think the producers will choose this option.  It's the bureaucratic constant of the universe
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lmao at picard ready to say "what the hell" to any kid who dares take the elevator to the bridge. granted im sure you need security clearance to get to bridge so of course he's shocked, but still, dude was excited to get to chew out a kid.
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Good episode, but I am going to lose my goddamn mind if a minor character from a mediocre Voyager two-parter shows up in a modern Trek show before literally anyone (other than Jeffrey Combs or Dukat’s skull) from DS9.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:The episode with the teleporting terrorists, Bev tells Picard in case she does there something he needs to know about - and then it's interrupted and that thought is not finished   I'll always love the idea that Wesley grew a chiseled jaw.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:The episode with the teleporting terrorists, Bev tells Picard in case she does there something he needs to know about - and then it's interrupted and that thought is not finished I've always felt that was just more of the Picard/Beverly not-romance thread and not something that had anything to do with Wesley at all. Similarly, any scattered scenes of Picard/Wesley awkwardness is at most secondary to Picard's unrequited will-they-won't-they subplot with Bev through early TNG. Folks can read into all that as "Picard is secretly Wesley's real father" if they want, but to say that it was intentionally being hinted at or that it would be a good idea to make it text in 2022 is wild to me.
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DaveKap posted:I loving love Jay Karnes and his presence alone made this dumb episode like 20 times better. Apparently people already knew he was gonna be in the show but I did not and neither did IMDB so once I saw him come down those stairs my jaw was on the floor. Also played an FBI agent in 12 monkeys (if im recalling correctly)
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I feel bad that he's typecast but he plays the role so perfectly (and he takes the jobs) so I don't feel that bad.
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Lol my dude literally not one piece of this implies he's Wesley's dad. John Wick of Dogs posted:The episode with the teleporting terrorists, Bev tells Picard in case she does there something he needs to know about - and then it's interrupted and that thought is not finished I think I've watched this episode once because I remember it being dogshit. Could it have been something like "I love you" So we know Wesley was alive when Jack was because Jack records the holographic message and mentions Wesley is a baby when he is doing it. Jack and Picard served on the same ship, which means either Picard took separate shore leave and then lied to Jack to go gently caress Beverly, or the Stargazer visited Earth and Picard hooked up with Beverly under Jack's nose. That's the scenario people are going with? When literally all the awkwardness in Farpoint can be explained by Picard feeling some residual guilt over Jack's death? Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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Wesley being Picard's illegitimate child is one of the oldest TNG fan theories. It exists entirely within subtext, but the clues are there. That's what would make it interesting. Instead, I think we'll find out that Picard's father was abusing his mother and gaslighting him with the bit about mental illness.
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Typical Pubbie posted:Wesley being Picard's illegitimate child is one of the oldest TNG fan theories. It exists entirely within subtext, but the clues are there. That's what would make it interesting. Instead, I think we'll find out that Picard's father was abusing his mother and gaslighting him with the bit about mental illness. There are no clues my dude lol Also how would that be "interesting" as opposed to ruining both Picard and Dr. Crusher as characters? There's that comic about TNG having to explain basic emotional situations to viewers and I'm getting that vibe here. Picard serving as a father figure in no way makes him that person's father. Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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Just when I thought they were finally going to resolve the Picard childhood flashbacks subplot, NOPE Gotta keep dragging this out until the last minute I guess.
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Charity Porno posted:Where has Robert been throughout these flashbacks? Summer camp? frowning at duotronics
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I doubt they remembered that he existed, just like they forgot that Robert's wife is supposed to still be alive
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FlamingLiberal posted:I doubt they remembered that he existed, just like they forgot that Robert's wife is supposed to still be alive Just because they don't explicitly mention something IE Marie, doesn't mean they forgot. Is it really important to the story to find out Marie moved out of the property where her husband and child died? Does it beggar belief?
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Charity Porno posted:Where has Robert been throughout these flashbacks? Summer camp? I think he's the goblin that grabs Tallinn in the cellar.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I doubt they remembered that he existed, just like they forgot that Robert's wife is supposed to still be alive Picard's mom mentions Robert in the flashback at the beginning of the season, I think. Something about being off at school.
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Typical Pubbie posted:I think he's the goblin that grabs Tallinn in the cellar. lol no wonder he and JL don't get along nine-gear crow posted:E: I also appreciate what they did with James Callis's character's Starfleet uniform for this episode. Since he only existed in Picard's dream state and was a mishmash of his memories of his father filtered through his subconcious, when his brain was trying to interpret him through the lens of a Starfleet officer, his uniform was a blend of three different styles: the Voyager solid-colour shoulder pads, the First Contact/DS9 gray shoulders and coloured collar, and a bit of the modern era uniforms seen in episode 1 this year too. It really had the feel of "this is something that your mind knows is not right, but you have no choice to perceive of it anyway because you're dreaming, the gently caress are you gonna do?" I was extremely irritated with the uniform until I thought about it and realized you have it spot on and I should never doubt NuTrek's costuming team because they are the one department that very rarely misses. Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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Can we get the props department and the wardrobe department to run the show?
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Typical Pubbie posted:I think he's the goblin that grabs Tallinn in the cellar. Yup, his design immediately struck me as a nightmare caricature of Robert.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Yup, his design immediately struck me as a nightmare caricature of Robert. I didn't interpret that as Robert at all, but I didn't really hear what he was saying to Talinn and Mind Prince Picard during that sequence. But yeah, it makes sense that kid Picard would cast his father and brother as a pair of monsters who locked up his mother, when actually they were the ones who had the right of it all along and his mother was the real abusive lunatic in the family. I really liked how Picard coming to finally see his father as a real person was the bridge to him finally seeing Q as a real person as well, and I hope their actual eventual confrontation at the end of the season is just brimming with catharsis for both of them. I kinda desperetly need to see now both Q and Picard going "I'm sorry, I hosed up." and hugging it out as the end of their relationship. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Apr 15, 2022 |
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That episode was 10% "should have been episode 7" and 90% "should have been episode 4"
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