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My favorite Arnold threat is the following. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC4XwpmJGi0 I also unironically love Last Action Hero and watch it whenever I see it pop up on TV. *comes home and shoots the armed assassin in his closet* "Jeez, how'd you know there was a guy in there?" "There's always a guy in there." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_M-uhGKvJ0 Fuckin' classic Arnold.
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MrMojok posted:He's done a lot of stuff, but to me Commando is kind of the Action Movie of Action Movies. Commando is probably Top 3 for me in terms of 80's Arnold action films. Him being surprised that Rae Dawn Chong knew how to shoot the RPG and then her saying it was because she read the instructions is a terrific line. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xXr3NRQzZk And who could forget one of the best Arnold lines ever? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8JFVSNxkEI Don't even get me started on Commando. An infinitely quotable film. "Don't disturb my friend. He's dead tired." "Let off some steam, Bennett."
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Apr 16, 2022 08:28
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Gonz posted:My favorite Arnold threat is the following. Right! And then he thumbs through a wardrobe that consist entirely of that same brown leather jacket, and same t-shirt E: “Arnold Brownschweiger. Pleased to meet you.”
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Apr 16, 2022 09:16
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MrMojok posted:Right! And then he thumbs through a wardrobe that consist entirely of that same brown leather jacket, and same t-shirt Last Action Hero getting a 2 second cameo out of Sharon Stone (from Basic Instinct) and Robert Patrick (as the T-1000) were, IMO, two of the best throwaway gags i've ever seen in a movie up to that point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs-iNAak1yU
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Can’t talk about 80s action movies without talking about Shane Black, I reckon. There had been a a couple of cop-buddy movies prior to Lethal Weapon. There had been the French Connection, maybe one or two others? Beverly Hills Cop, and 48 Hours, I guess? But in 1985 or so freshman screenwriter Shane Black blew things up with a spec script (Lethal Weapon), back in the days when people in this town were looking for spec scripts, and it lit the town on fire. Started a huge bidding war and I believe sold for a million or a bit more, which was huge at that time. The catch is, his script is a hell of a lot darker than the movie we all know. The framework/spine survived, as did a lot of the dialogue and plot beats, but his script was a lot darker than what they ended up filming. Several years later he wrote The Last Action Hero, and this script was most *definitely* much darker than the movie we got, and had huge differences. The basic idea is there, but it’s a whole different film. I think I remember Black kind of disowning the final film, which was rewritten by a few people. I wish I could summarize the differences but I can’t check them right now. I think I have both his original Lethal Weapon script and his original LAH script, or at least very very early versions of both. PM me if you want to read them. e: the LAH scripts I have are by Zack Penn and Adam Leff, not Black. These are the initial changes from what Black wrote, I guess. One is dated Sept 1991 and the other Oct 1992. The Lethal Weapon script I have is by Black, and I am pretty certain this is the one that drove everyone crazy in the mid-80s. Pretty much the same story, just darker. MrMojok fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Apr 16, 2022 |
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Apr 16, 2022 10:02
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Commando is great because it's the peak of the 80s action film style. Just like with Cobra released the same year, after this there's nowhere else to go. Then two years later Die Hard creates a very different kind of action film, and becomes the definitive action film until The Matrix is released and changes things up again.
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Apr 16, 2022 10:24
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Wasn't the original Last Action Hero screenplay called something like Gratuitous Violence? Have a feeling I said this upthread, but so many of LAH's gags that were meant to be ridiculously excessive satire of contemporaneous action movies have been used without apparent irony since then. Jack Slater would be too ordinary and restrained to exist in the Fast & Furious universe, for instance, and as for Bayworld...
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Apr 16, 2022 10:40
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Arnold just laying waste to everyone with heavy weaponry at the end of Raw Deal, and then shooting the old man, only to dump a bowl full of candy on top of him, was such a weird tonal choice, but because it was the 80's, it worked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTCW9710uMQ&t=241s
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Gonz posted:Arnold just laying waste to everyone with heavy weaponry at the end of Raw Deal, and then shooting the old man, only to dump a bowl full of candy on top of him, was such a weird tonal choice, but because it was the 80's, it worked. The movie is missing an epilogue where it shows that he has gone full Commando now and can't go back, and that he loving loves it. As it is, the movie starts with this One Last Mission that tears him from his... drunken wife and lovely boring small-town life? And he gets to rough up people and wear nice suits? Where is the raw deal? Arnold gets to indulge himself in being a slick unstoppable juggernaut, everybody around him gets the raw deal but he is kind of living the life.
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MrMojok posted:What's the thread opinions on action movie GOAT? Arnold is definitely up there but I think you also need to include Chow Yun-Fat in the conversation for overall impact since his Hong Kong movies had such a huge impact on action films all over the world. Arnold has some absolutely amazing movies (and commando is one of my all time favorites) but Chow Yun-Fat's influence is so wide spread and continues to influence movies today.
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Apr 16, 2022 12:50
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAtxZHuJNW4  Thirty years of two-gun hospital trollying  
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Feels like with Seagal, he was carried by the production and actors around him. He's this weird squinty dude flapping his arms around and running hilariously while Tommy Lee Jones or Henry Silva actually carry the movie. Lol found this on the Above the Law wiki: It has been reported that Seagal was asked to make the film by his former aikido pupil, agent Michael Ovitz, who believed that he could make anyone a movie star. It was set and filmed in Chicago, Illinois, over 60 days between April 27 and June 26, 1987.[6] Shageletic fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Apr 16, 2022 |
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Apr 16, 2022 13:43
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The Dollop just did a three parter on Seagal and they cover that stuff. He was also mobbed up so the movies might have been favors/money laundering as well.Shageletic posted:Feels like with Seagal, he was carried by the production and actors around him. He's this weird squinty dude flapping his arms around and running hilariously while Tommy Lee Jones or Henry Silva actually carry the movie. His movies never did feel like they needed him over someone else in that role.
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I feel like there's some unfortunate revisionism going on since Segal turned out to be such a piece of poo poo, but in the 80s, Hollywood fight scenes were pretty simplistic before Segal, basically big haymakers and occasionally a high kick. Segal's joint locks and throws were a huge leap forward in terms of fight choreography.
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True. I also remember how visceral the fight scene where he puts a cue ball in a bar towel felt at the time, for Hollywood it must have felt like the first time Bruce Lee pulled out nunchuks on screen
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dokmo posted:I feel like there's some unfortunate revisionism going on since Segal turned out to be such a piece of poo poo, but in the 80s, Hollywood fight scenes were pretty simplistic before Segal, basically big haymakers and occasionally a high kick. Segal's joint locks and throws were a huge leap forward in terms of fight choreography. I would argue lethal weapon started it before he did. The end fight with Gary Busey was one of the first times Gracie Jiu Jitsu was used in a film. Edit. I do think Segal's fight scenes are pretty fun to watch but he also ends up being significantly larger than everyone he fights and his fight scenes tend to take advantage of it and he never seems to be in actual danger. B-Rock452 fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Apr 16, 2022 |
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Speaking of Seagal, I missed this when it aired live in 1991 and to this day I’ve never seen any footage from it until this tweet. The reply downthread that has a video of Bob Odenkirk is well worth a watch, too https://twitter.com/scottgairdner/status/1515371814632886275?s=21&t=Ruk8U-vKYeykSGqAcP7Jpw
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Speaking of formative 80s(ish) film figures, Walter Hill's directoral run of Hard Times, The Driver, The Warriors, The Long Riders, Southern Comfort, 48hrs and Streets of Fire (plus a hands on producer role on Alien) is incredible, then after that you can really start to see him struggle with the way Arnold and others changed the action landscape.
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Payndz posted:I've know I've seen the second Reacher film - I must own the DVD, because I didn't see it in a cinema - and I couldn't tell you anything about it. So that may answer your question. I happened to just catch this on cable. It was in fact, Not Good. It ended thirty minutes ago and I’m already starting to forget things about it.
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MrMojok posted:What's the thread opinions on action movie GOAT? Charles dance is great, i listened to a podcast he was on where they talked about his Hollywood stuff and his instant reply to being asked about working with Arnold on Last Action Hero was "The catering was fantastic". And yeah I think Arnold probably has to be the goat, though my go-to 80s/90s action movie will forever be Demolition Man.
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Last Action Hero is great but the only thing that bugs me is when he's in the real world and tears the door off its hinges
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Alan Smithee posted:Last Action Hero is great but the only thing that bugs me is when he's in the real world and tears the door off its hinges He's still built like Arnold
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Yeah that's really not that far fetched, I watched a guy miss a heavy squat and he got super angry and ripped the door to the utility closet completely off it's hinges like it was nothing. I do feel like I need to watch last action hero though. I remember seeing part of it when I was way younger and I didn't like it. Might not have understood it B-Rock452 fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Apr 17, 2022 |
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MrBling posted:And yeah I think Arnold probably has to be the goat, though my go-to 80s/90s action movie will forever be Demolition Man. Demolition Man is almost too clever for Stallone. He pulls it off but it still feels like it was meant for Arnold.
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Demolition Man is easily one of the best scifi dystopia action films ever made. And it should never, in a million years, be remade. I’ve heard unsubstantiated rumors for a long time about there being a sequel script being collaborated on, but another George R. R. Martin GoT book will be released before that sees the light of day, i’d imagine.
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I found out the other day that the reason for the near future setting rather than further ahead was that originally there was a sub plot of Stallone finding his daughter. It never made sense to me that the world could change that much in 36 years but that does explain it. Of course, it doesn't explain why they didn't just change it later on once they had that plot out.
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An early version of the script allegedly had Huxley revealed as his daughter.
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Mantis42 posted:movie critics are morons in general but it's really pathetic how they were wrong about both last action hero and starship troopers basically back-to-back Last Action Hero was a weird one because it came at the very height of Arnold. Post T2 he was literally the biggest thing out there and reaching peak exposure. Stories of the film being advertised on the side of rockets going into space set it up for a fall as it was all so extravagant. It was a tonally weird film, too. Personally I love it and it gets so much right but you can't deny it's an uneven film. For me the problem was that the "action world" was too cartoony. For me the perfect level of self awareness in an Arnie film was True Lies. It was insane, violent, cool and tongue in cheek but it took itself JUST seriously enough that it didn't wink at the camera too much. Last Action Hero felt like a Loony Tunes cartoon in places. There was a literal cartoon cat character in there, actual steam came out of the police chief's ears and every joke was held up to the audience like it was saying "huh? huh?". This action world didn't actually feel like a world that would be an Arnold movie. Ironically, if they'd toned down the action world to True Lies levels it would be a perfect film. Charles Dance is amazing, some of the gags are perfect, the real world felt genuinely shocking after the action stuff, the sequence with meeting the real Arnold was perfect and even the kid wasn't as annoying as most child actors were at the time. I still giggle at the car chicken scene in the real world. The kid shouting "You are going to die!!" and there's no Hollywood angles, no fast editing. Just Arnold's car revving off and pummelling into the other car in an utterly real crash in the distance. Perfect moment and had me and a buddy crying with laughter for way longer than we should have been. For the record, the perfect Arnold movie is The Running Man and I will die on that hill
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The Running Man is tremendous. “Hey Killian! Here is Sub Zero. Now….Plain Zero.”
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Gonz posted:The Running Man is tremendous. I was 9 when that film came out and I loved it. Yeah, even at 9 I thought the concept fell apart (how is this supposed to work live?) and spotted the silly things like the in-show credits being clips from the film still to come - but it was instrumental in making me question the world and the media, showing a kid how TV could be used to push whatever angle you wanted. An absolute classic 80s sci-fi soundtrack that still gives me chills, prime Jessie Ventura, memorable villains, a deep plot (for an Arnie film being watched by a 9 yearold) and so many amazing Arnold lines and a main bad guy who gets plenty of his own lines in. My favourite line in the movie isn't even an Arnold line. It's Killian. "I know you... you're the rear end in a top hat off TV" "Funny, I was thinking the same thing..."
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dokmo posted:I feel like there's some unfortunate revisionism going on since Segal turned out to be such a piece of poo poo, but in the 80s, Hollywood fight scenes were pretty simplistic before Segal, basically big haymakers and occasionally a high kick. Segal's joint locks and throws were a huge leap forward in terms of fight choreography. Yeah Seagal is an absolute pile of poo poo but he was the real deal at that point in time action wise. Dog_Meat posted:I was 9 when that film came out and I loved it. Yeah, even at 9 I thought the concept fell apart (how is this supposed to work live?) and spotted the silly things like the in-show credits being clips from the film still to come - but it was instrumental in making me question the world and the media, showing a kid how TV could be used to push whatever angle you wanted. This movie has my favorite instance ever of people looking at "surveillance footage" that's actually just some prior footage from the movie replayed verbatim. Which is fine because The Running Man absolutely fuckin' rules. It's incredibly fun thanks to Arnold even before he enters the campiness holds up really well to me. Like you say it's not super deep but it accomplishes its goal of showing the ouroboros of brutal violence being presented in a wholesome way to TV audiences to keep the military/etc. looking good that TV shows keep doing because ratings.
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Running Man is the first cinematic depiction of a Deepfake, isn't it?
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Running Man is the first cinematic depiction of a Deepfake, isn't it? One of the many ways in which it's still relevant now. I think you could argue the earliest possible example might be in Demon Seed when the computer runs footage of her saying everything is fine to get the boyfriend to not come in. But I forget if that's something completely constructed by the computer and not it replacing existing footage, but like the intent and the damage is the same.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Running Man is the first cinematic depiction of a Deepfake, isn't it? I guess Arnold as the Terminator mimicking Sarah Conner's mother, but that's only audio. The only other film I can think of is Rising Sun in the early 90s (where the Japanese may as well have been aliens with how they were portrayed). Running man had that whole "re-jig a few details to make Richards the bad guy in a major massacre" thing which my 9 yearold self was raging about. To a kid who was used to villains being plain evil blow-up-the-world types it was eye opening to see a gameshow host as a powerful enemy that simply held all the cards. Until "they're betting on Richards, for Christ's sake". "I can pick anyone I choose... and I choose Ben Richards" <leans into mic> "That boy's one mean motherfucker" Man, everyone remember's Arnie's lines, but there's so many classics from other characters. "Guess I'll go take some more steroids"
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Sven Ole Thorsen is a treasure in all those Arnie movies. He also has fun cameos in The Quick and the Dead and Gladiator.
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Dog_Meat posted:I guess Arnold as the Terminator mimicking Sarah Conner's mother, but that's only audio. The only other film I can think of is Rising Sun in the early 90s (where the Japanese may as well have been aliens with how they were portrayed). For real Richard Dawson was just the absolute best possible casting for that character.
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Neo Rasa posted:For real Richard Dawson was just the absolute best possible casting for that character. "Get me the Justice Department... Entertainment Division..."
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High Warlord Zog posted:Speaking of formative 80s(ish) film figures, Walter Hill's directoral run of Hard Times, The Driver, The Warriors, The Long Riders, Southern Comfort, 48hrs and Streets of Fire (plus a hands on producer role on Alien) is incredible, then after that you can really start to see him struggle with the way Arnold and others changed the action landscape. Just watched 48 hours and most of Another 48 hours for the first time and other than the first movie's insane amount of racist dialogue (INSANE), there was a deep drop off in the quality between the two, and I'm not sure why. Same director, same set-up, I guess there's more of a focus on inert bad guys? I don't know. Also Eddie Murphy's arc in the first movie is to get laid, with him just barking at random women to gently caress him and trying at one point to pretend to be a lawyer to gently caress some ladies in a closet.
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Yeah 48 hours gets pretty uncomfortable, wasn't a huge fan so didn't watch the sequel. However, if anyone reading this threat hasn't seen "Streets of Fire," just go and watch it right now. Don't even see a trailer or read anything about it. It rules. 
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