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RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




DeafNote posted:

I regret to admit that I was way into Megatokyo as a dumb teen.

Now the only comic I follow is OOTS, which helpfully reminds me of the glory days when 8bit theater still existed. (and to a lesser extent; Bob & George)

I would recommend checking out Val & Isaac as well.

It's a fun one.

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Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

Somewhere in with the rest of my books, in the printer paper boxes I used as moving boxes, I have the Megatokyo Volume 1 and the hardback CTRL+ALT+DEL volumes 1 and 2. Nowadays I use the PYF Comic thread to curate my web(and other)comic reading.


RareAcumen posted:

I would recommend checking out Val & Isaac as well.

It's a fun one.

Wholey recommend the space lesbians comic, yes.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

DeafNote posted:

I regret to admit that I was way into Megatokyo as a dumb teen.

Now the only comic I follow is OOTS, which helpfully reminds me of the glory days when 8bit theater still existed. (and to a lesser extent; Bob & George)

It was pointed out in another thread that apparently in the 20+ years of Megatokyo's still-to-this-day-apparently-ongoing storyline, the narrative has only covered about 71 days worth of time and, to bring this back to dunking on Mr. Enter for a moment, still has not reached September 11th, 2001 in comic time, and in fact probably never will even if Fred Gallagher manages to continue updating it regularly until the day he dies.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

I remember hanging out on the Megatokyo forms in the mid to late 2000s but even then hardly anyone seemed to give a poo poo about the comic itself. Almost everyone including me was just there to chat about anime or various other things.

Anyway here are some people discussing Enter's trainwreck of a book:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xllG8TE7meE

Based on what goes on in there it seems like Enter's kink might actually be humiliation, which would certainly fit with how he's been acting on Twitter.

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once
did somebody say

webcomics?!

RareAcumen posted:

I would recommend checking out Val & Isaac as well.

It's a fun one.

its good imo

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

Annointed posted:

That is the most beautiful cut I have ever seen. I'll get to Casino some other time. Scorsese is quickly being a name I am associating with high quality films that are worth the hours spent.

Hell yeah, Casino is one of my all-time favorite films. It tells the true story of Lefty Rosenthal (Named Ace Rothstein in the movie for reasons) and the end of the mob's domination of Las Vegas. It's incredible and genuinely epic. Hot take but I've always liked Casino over Goodfellas personally. Check it out when you can. It's absolutely worth the 3 hours to watch.


God tier corn cob. You love to see it. :discourse:

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

Jamie Faith posted:

Hell yeah, Casino is one of my all-time favorite films. It tells the true story of Lefty Rosenthal (Named Ace Rothstein in the movie for reasons) and the end of the mob's domination of Las Vegas. It's incredible and genuinely epic. Hot take but I've always liked Casino over Goodfellas personally. Check it out when you can. It's absolutely worth the 3 hours to watch.

Should watch that, got interested in Vegas history after visiting last year. The Mob Museum is really good!

The Bee
Nov 25, 2012

Making his way to the ring . . .
from Deep in the Jungle . . .

The Big Monkey!

Bakeneko posted:

I remember hanging out on the Megatokyo forms in the mid to late 2000s but even then hardly anyone seemed to give a poo poo about the comic itself. Almost everyone including me was just there to chat about anime or various other things.

Anyway here are some people discussing Enter's trainwreck of a book:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xllG8TE7meE

Based on what goes on in there it seems like Enter's kink might actually be humiliation, which would certainly fit with how he's been acting on Twitter.

Considering the cast is either childlike adults or literal children, the idea of introducing his fetishes sounds horriying.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

The Bee posted:

Considering the cast is either childlike adults or literal children, the idea of introducing his fetishes sounds horriying.

There's nothing explicitly sexual in there, I'm sure the hosts of that podcast would've mentioned if there was, but it does seem to have that... Dan Schneider-ish tone to it where the sitcom hijinks sometimes feel like they're a cover for something more questionable.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

Dawgstar posted:

It does bring to mind what I dimly recall The Wotch's art style looked like, which was basically crudely drawn fetish fuel.
I was going to say Linda just looks like the main character from that


The 7th Guest posted:

I read EGS when i was a younger enby in hatching, and I feel like a lot of it was probably the artist working out some identity issues through the comic, but they also were up for anything as far as commissions go, so there'd also be like, 'here's a donation art of a character that turns partly into an ant-furry'. but that was a loooong time ago (the 2000s basically). idk what it's like now, but i'm pretty sure a lot of it is just lengthy explanations of how the magic/technology works

a video essay on those comics would be interesting (also other comics from that era like something sparkle valkyrie or w/e it was called, or the one that then became a car racing comic) but you probably couldn't do it without being demonetized
As someone that was reading all the webcomics lke EGS back in the day it feels like such a weird time capsule for me. Some cursed knowledge I did find out about during that time in retrospect is the author of EGS was in the same film class as Doug Walker in college

And yeah the Bad Webcomics Wiki is basically two degrees from just being ED in roasting people mean spiritly

NorgLyle
Sep 20, 2002

Do you think I posted to this forum because I value your companionship?

Mix. posted:

there's a difference between making fun of a bad internet thing because you find it fascinating and enjoy seeing what's at the bottom of internet rabbit holes versus making fun of a bad internet thing because you hate the person/people who made it and want to tear into them directly/have an excuse to harass people, and some of the bad webcomics people fell a little too hard into that latter category in the later years imo
One of my favorite former threads in the tabletop rpg forum went through this exact slide into something awfulness; people started out finding weird and dumb house rules and bizarre world building but slowly and surely changed over into 'look at how awful this author is someone should really email the website where they sell their pdfs and do something'.

I wish people could just enjoy the experience of looking at the strange (and admittedly pretty terrible) things that weird people do online without feeling like it is some kind of call to action. Posting isn't going to do anything for anyone ever.

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
its fine to lol at something stupid but you shouldnt make fun of their dog dying or post their address imo

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

NorgLyle posted:

One of my favorite former threads in the tabletop rpg forum went through this exact slide into something awfulness; people started out finding weird and dumb house rules and bizarre world building but slowly and surely changed over into 'look at how awful this author is someone should really email the website where they sell their pdfs and do something'.

I wish people could just enjoy the experience of looking at the strange (and admittedly pretty terrible) things that weird people do online without feeling like it is some kind of call to action. Posting isn't going to do anything for anyone ever.

if you mean the F&F thread I can only think of like two times that happened and both were 'this guy is literally just selling thinly guised white supremacy RPG poo poo, it feels like that shouldn't be okay to sell' so this feels like a weird grudge to try to insert

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
dont be a webdog is what im saying

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
yea the webcomics laughing stuff got bad because it grew from 'lol this dude's comic sucks' to 'lol this dude's dog died, what a fuckin moron maybe the dog read his webcomic????' which...yea that's a bit fuckin much for 'this guy does a bad comic'.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

NorgLyle posted:

One of my favorite former threads in the tabletop rpg forum went through this exact slide into something awfulness; people started out finding weird and dumb house rules and bizarre world building but slowly and surely changed over into 'look at how awful this author is someone should really email the website where they sell their pdfs and do something'.

I wish people could just enjoy the experience of looking at the strange (and admittedly pretty terrible) things that weird people do online without feeling like it is some kind of call to action. Posting isn't going to do anything for anyone ever.

"Making fun of something bad and then having some people tip over into an obsession about bad thing" seems to be a very SA thing to do. It's how KF got started, and I've seen a lot of threads go down that route (CAD thread, Gorgeous George etc)

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


sexpig by night posted:

if you mean the F&F thread I can only think of like two times that happened and both were 'this guy is literally just selling thinly guised white supremacy RPG poo poo, it feels like that shouldn't be okay to sell' so this feels like a weird grudge to try to insert

They definitely mean grognards.txt. There's a reason that thread was banished years ago.

It has happened to so many goddamn threads on these forums. Mock threads become incredibly pathetic once you get through the inial funny stuff.

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Andrast posted:

They definitely mean grognards.txt. There's a reason that thread was banished years ago.

It has happened to so many goddamn threads on these forums. Mock threads become incredibly pathetic once you get through the inial funny stuff.

Unless things keep being strange in a spectacular fashion, they inevitably become about finding perceived failures or sins in the person. If it's about how the person is utterly bizarre, it's almost inevitable that continuing to dive in will become personal and cruel. Even a dude like Dozerfleet can't sustain a deep look without it turning cruel.

Even mock threads about product failures end up burning out and looking at people unless they're just a constant drip of "what, why" like Star Citizen.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

Jokatgulm is tedium.
Jokatgulm is pain.
Jokatgulm is suffering.

Andrast posted:

They definitely mean grognards.txt. There's a reason that thread was banished years ago.

It has happened to so many goddamn threads on these forums. Mock threads become incredibly pathetic once you get through the inial funny stuff.

Mock threads require escalation, and if the target won't provide then that posters have to. So yeah looking/banning them is a good idea.




Regarding webcomics, I recently went on some computer archeology and found my internet bookmarks file from 2005-2010ish and wow there were a lot of embarrassing webcomics there.

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?

sexpig by night posted:

if you mean the F&F thread I can only think of like two times that happened and both were 'this guy is literally just selling thinly guised white supremacy RPG poo poo, it feels like that shouldn't be okay to sell' so this feels like a weird grudge to try to insert

I have to see this, link pls

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

sexpig by night posted:

if you mean the F&F thread I can only think of like two times that happened and both were 'this guy is literally just selling thinly guised white supremacy RPG poo poo, it feels like that shouldn't be okay to sell' so this feels like a weird grudge to try to insert

Do we tell the thread about Varg and Venger?

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!

NorgLyle posted:

One of my favorite former threads in the tabletop rpg forum went through this exact slide into something awfulness; people started out finding weird and dumb house rules and bizarre world building but slowly and surely changed over into 'look at how awful this author is someone should really email the website where they sell their pdfs and do something'.

I wish people could just enjoy the experience of looking at the strange (and admittedly pretty terrible) things that weird people do online without feeling like it is some kind of call to action. Posting isn't going to do anything for anyone ever.

Most of the time, I'm glad to read and contribute to the CCCC webcomics thread, but they need to chill out about Lore Olympus just a little bit. The first time I ever used the report feature on this forum was to call in a death threat against the author.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

Grondoth posted:

Unless things keep being strange in a spectacular fashion, they inevitably become about finding perceived failures or sins in the person.
one of the reasons i unsubbed from the gunnerkrigg court thread is because i felt like it was going to start teetering in this direction eventually. (this isn't a call to action to fight over it, they can do w/e they want)

despite this thread's faults i'm glad it isn't on the level of a mock thread. i feel like this thread would just devolve into people posting every doug walker and mauler video going "ISNT IT TERRRRIBLE!!! man I can't believe how BAAAD it is!! why doesn't he just die??"

(i guess some people do obsess over moviebob and jonathan mcintosh tho)

side_burned
Nov 3, 2004

My mother is a fish.

nine-gear crow posted:

Penny Arcade got started doing gag-a-day strips and everyone wanted to be Penny Arcade. Then Megatoyko got started doing serialized narrative storytelling, and everybody suddenly wanted to be Megatokyo. 20 years later, all the wannabe strips are dead and Penny Arcade is still being Penny Arcade, and Megatoyko is still, somehow, amazingly, regrettably, Megatokyo.

(It was not specifically Megatokyo that inspired people to make the genre jump, it was just the only big narrative-driven comic I could think of from the era)

Holly poo poo Megatokyo is still a thing?

I could not imagine how that thing reads for anyone born after the Regan administrations. It was the product of a 90's sub culture that swopped VHS fan subs and eagerly followed the productions of niche games that would never have commercial localization.

And that is not even getting into the how Megatokyo radiates a sad malaise. When you read it you get the feeling that buying a Play Station 2 would be high point of the year for most of its fans.

Edit: Zoomers if you want a better period piece that came out of the same milieu as Megatokyo read Sexy Losers

Edit 2: I just deleted this long paragraph about how Megatokyo is an intresting counterpoint to Achewood. But I can boil it down to how listening to cure album and seeing a body pillow fill me with different types of sadness.

side_burned fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Apr 17, 2022

fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once

Solitair posted:

Most of the time, I'm glad to read and contribute to the CCCC webcomics thread, but they need to chill out about Lore Olympus just a little bit. The first time I ever used the report feature on this forum was to call in a death threat against the author.

lmfao what. i missed that

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Archer666 posted:

"Making fun of something bad and then having some people tip over into an obsession about bad thing" seems to be a very SA thing to do. It's how KF got started, and I've seen a lot of threads go down that route (CAD thread, Gorgeous George etc)

It's a human thing. I mean, that's basically what bullying is: some people get a shot of endorphin from righteous contempt, and want to keep getting that poo poo because it feels good. (And usually they're in a situation where not a lot else feels good, so...)

Also deciding that the people making the bad things are bad people makes it considerably more comfortable to mock things.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

Solitair posted:

Most of the time, I'm glad to read and contribute to the CCCC webcomics thread, but they need to chill out about Lore Olympus just a little bit. The first time I ever used the report feature on this forum was to call in a death threat against the author.
Yeah I've been digging that comic and it's a shame how goons have to goon about it being creepy/bad. The Gunnerkrigg Court thread used to be good but had slowly turned into a hatewatch thread it feels like

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib
That is why I stopped following the Deegan thread. I mean, it is well and good to laugh at things being terrible; I wouldn't still be on these forums if I didn't. But too much can just seem poisonous to the soul.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Kinda sucks to be past that wild west era of webcomics when everyone was throwing poo poo on the internet. Professional artist or talentless kid using stolen sprites, you ran the full gamut.

Nowadays it feels like webcomics are either legacy holdovers from 20 years ago or talented young artists who burn out after 2-5 years working on their comic.

Schir
Jan 23, 2012


yeah it sucks that most creative output online just gets funneled into streaming or social media these days

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Pants Donkey posted:

Kinda sucks to be past that wild west era of webcomics when everyone was throwing poo poo on the internet. Professional artist or talentless kid using stolen sprites, you ran the full gamut.

Nowadays it feels like webcomics are either legacy holdovers from 20 years ago or talented young artists who burn out after 2-5 years working on their comic.
rip cucumber quest

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


achillesforever6 posted:

Yeah I've been digging that comic and it's a shame how goons have to goon about it being creepy/bad. The Gunnerkrigg Court thread used to be good but had slowly turned into a hatewatch thread it feels like

I though GK was supposed to be good? What happened?


Pants Donkey posted:

Kinda sucks to be past that wild west era of webcomics when everyone was throwing poo poo on the internet. Professional artist or talentless kid using stolen sprites, you ran the full gamut.

Nowadays it feels like webcomics are either legacy holdovers from 20 years ago or talented young artists who burn out after 2-5 years working on their comic.

Honestly, I think there's still the "wild west" stuff, it just doesn't get any attention because it's not what most people want to read, so it doesn't getadvertised, and there's so many comics around that it's buried under the artists burning themselves out.

The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007


Lore Olympus is godawful so it makes sense it would be hated

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

achillesforever6 posted:

Yeah I've been digging that comic and it's a shame how goons have to goon about it being creepy/bad. The Gunnerkrigg Court thread used to be good but had slowly turned into a hatewatch thread it feels like

I don't think the Gunnerkrigg thread is a fair comparison because it's just people who are/were genuine fans of the comic coming to terms at different times with the comic seeming to lose momentum and meander.

The Dobson and CAD threads were pure spite and really unnecessarily mean about poo poo, which is what got them gassed and locked. The old Deegan threads could get a bit intense, but mostly seemed to stay on topic with daily updates so they didn't need to go rifling through police records to see if anyone with Mookie's name tried to smuggle frozen steaks out of nearby grocery stores in their pants or look up his home address. The new one, well, apparently multiple people can't resist paying money to rifle through his Patreon for more "content" and it'll probably keep circling the drain and getting ridiculously worked up over a comic that is aggressively mediocre and dull.

Andrast posted:

They definitely mean grognards.txt. There's a reason that thread was banished years ago.

It has happened to so many goddamn threads on these forums. Mock threads become incredibly pathetic once you get through the inial funny stuff.

It was definitely grognards, where someone decided to start digging through police records for a guy making bad D&D splats to pull up super unfunny history of arrests for various forms of familial abuse.

Puppy Time posted:

I though GK was supposed to be good? What happened?

Without getting deep into it, I think the creator is a bit burnt out from writing a comic for almost 20 years. Feels like a lot of plots that have been building up for a long time are getting abruptly wrapped up so the comic can finish soon, with other things left unaddressed or where the only answer is a vaguely unsatisfying "People are complicated :shrug:."

Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Apr 18, 2022

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

My favorite part of the mock thread cycle is when people that aren't thread regulars notice how terrible a mock thread at its worst is and then the regulars tell them that they only think the thread is bad because they're part of the group being mocked.

If you think that doxxing disabled teens is bad you must be a Star Citizen backer, if you think that it's really weird to write elaborate fantasies about committing brutal violence on overweight people it's because you're fat, etc etc

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Nuns with Guns posted:

Without getting deep into it, I think the creator is a bit burnt out from writing a comic for almost 20 years. Feels like a lot of plots that have been building up for a long time are getting abruptly wrapped up so the comic can finish soon, with other things left unaddressed or where the only answer is a vaguely unsatisfying "People are complicated :shrug:."

That's a sucky situation all around. Burnout is the worst.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

yeah it's not a full on hate thread, it just has the possibility of heading there, that's why i bounced. i was part of some of the critical response to a past chapter but it kept extending to every new strip and was getting a little too 'bitch eating crackers' for me. i'm sure there's still fine and normal posting in there currently but it wasn't super fun to wade through for me anymore, and i doubt there's gonna be a 'we forgive you king' moment

i should really know better than to engage in fandom anyway lol, beyond just consuming entertainment and enjoying it or not enjoying it and moving on

at this point i don't even mention the comics i read because some goon might go "you read THAT?!" or something idk. i just read what i like and keep it to myself

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin

Captain Invictus posted:

rip cucumber quest

Cucumber Quest stopping when it did is probably for the best, the comic felt too in love with itself imo

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Honestly just kind of want the Climax already. I don't think Tom Siddell should do another 20 years of slow burn comic.

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The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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a number of online comic creators also found better jobs, like i think cucumber quest stopped partly because she's now a storyboarder, and Jake Wyatt who did Necropolis stopped because he drew for mainstream comcis and then became a showrunner for a superman show

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