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Seventeen is a really good word to sing in English. Lots of vowels. I have no idea what the age of consents in the 60s-70s were since I'm not a libertarian.
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Shiroc posted:Seventeen is a really good word to sing in English. Lots of vowels. I have no idea what the age of consents in the 60s-70s were since I'm not a libertarian. A good rule for history is the further you go back in time the lower it gets. France is still working on establishing a formal age of consent. Oddly enough it's one of the few areas in social progress where the US leapfrogged the rest of the world.
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pentyne posted:A good rule for history is the further you go back in time the lower it gets. It actually makes a lot of sense. Laws around sexual consent and marriages are a huge part of how the settler organized colonial states, and in North America, strict laws about marriage were used specifically to disrupt and destroy existing Indigenous practices and kinship networks. My experience is primarily with how it was used in Canada, but a lot of that is tied into the specific policy decisions in the US. (for example, when the LDS banned Mormon polygyny the hardline polygamists in the church went north to Canada, where they could practice still if they were a bit more careful.)
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and yet we have some fundie red states doing weird things with child brides in the name of Jeezus.
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Apr 18, 2022 06:27
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I was mostly bringing it up in terms of Paul McCartney with I Saw Her Standing There. 20 year old Paul singing about a 17 year old because its such a tuneful word is maybe a little squicky but wasn't meant to necessarily be a pedo anthem or really notable at the time. Iggy Pop is a solid yikes though.
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pentyne posted:A good rule for history is the further you go back in time the lower it gets. There is some untruth there. Arranged marriages for royals and important families often occured between teenagers and grown adults but the marriage wasn't consummated. Average folks had a bit of decency and let people grow up before they were sent to the babby mines. Same thing with mortality rates if you factor in early childhood deaths no one could live past 30. Except yeah, infanticide was a thing. Too many mouths to feed, have you tried putting the baby out in the cold?
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Oh boy if you're talking about 70s musicians being rapey with underage girls look no further than the original album cover of The Scorpions album, Virgin Killer. Warning: it's straight up child porn. It was an album cover.
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stratdax posted:Oh boy if you're talking about 70s musicians being rapey with underage girls look no further than the original album cover of The Scorpions album, Virgin Killer. Warning: it's straight up child porn. It was an album cover. I try not to. When I visit my parents they put on the music of the 70s while we play cards. I sometimes have a need to point out that this is creepy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p02DgHeGdyI Mick Jagger is creepy. loving all your old music is creepy as gently caress and they need to be institutionalized.
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Toshimo posted:Joan Jett covered it. The original version is about a 17yo girl sang by a dude. Edge of Seventeen wasn't a cover, though. (I know it's not about that, but the title is - Stevie Nicks got it from Tom Petty's wife describing how they first met.)
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:I try not to. “She’s just 16 years old. Leave her alone, they say…” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWHjJt4833I
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Apr 18, 2022 10:22
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knife_of_justice posted:“She’s just 16 years old. Leave her alone, they say…” Good song, shame about the fact that it is creepy as gently caress
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Apr 18, 2022 10:48
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the only good song about a 17 year old girl is janis ian's "at seventeen" and it's not close
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knife_of_justice posted:“She’s just 16 years old. Leave her alone, they say…” Absolutely dive into the comments.
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moonmazed posted:the only good song about a 17 year old girl is janis ian's "at seventeen" and it's not close This is only true because Society's Child is about a 14 year old girl.
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moonmazed posted:the only good song about a 17 year old girl is janis ian's "at seventeen" and it's not close Dancing Queen?
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This made me lookup Winger - Seventeen to see how yikes the lyrics are and I appreciate that the description on Genius is “Fun Fact: Kip Winger was 27 when he wrote this” A while back I remarked to my wife “Man, I love David Lee Roth so it’s a pleasant surprise that he hasn’t been Me Too’d” and she said “buddy if you don’t think he banged a TON of underage groupies you’re an idiot” and I had to sigh at that one
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Dancing Queen? You're a teaser, you turn 'em on Leave 'em burning and then you're gone Looking out for another Anyone will do Well I suppose that's better than statutory rape.
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Yeah a lot of recording artists get up to statutory rape and we never hear about it because the girls don't come forward, either because they don't want to or for various reasons like they're scared or they didn't know what they did was illegal.
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I know when I was a teen in the 90s, we would never have thought of seventeen as like, 'paedophile' creepy. It was more like 19 is considered now. Like, if you're a grown adult you have no business going there, but it's just skeevy, not evil. That attitude seems to be shifting now thank goodness, the one area where American cultural dominance might be helping.
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Apr 18, 2022 12:20
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Jedit posted:Edge of Seventeen wasn't a cover, though. (I know it's not about that, but the title is - Stevie Nicks got it from Tom Petty's wife describing how they first met.) The Joan Jett song was I Love Rock and Roll where she says he must of been just about seventeen but it doesn't matter to me cause its all the same. Edge of Seventeen, at least I thought, doesn't really get into that.
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knife_of_justice posted:“She’s just 16 years old. Leave her alone, they say…” This was a top 40 hit. Twice.
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I think we have to accept that every single male musician from the 70s that got within a mile of hitting the Top 40 hosed someone underage. Thankfully, odds are they'll all be dead in another decade or so, so by that point there's no guilt in financially supporting them by buying their albums!
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Boomer sexuality seems pretty hosed and horrible overall. I remember some older colleagues dismissing Tara Reade’s allegations against Biden not because they thought she was lying, but because that sort of thing was not really that big of a deal to them and just something to deal with in the professional world.
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Mooseontheloose posted:The Joan Jett song was I Love Rock and Roll where she says he must of been just about seventeen but it doesn't matter to me cause its all the same. Like I said, it doesn't. It's about Stevie Nicks' emotional response to the deaths of her uncle and John Lennon in December 1980. But originally she had intended to write a song about teenage romance using that as the title and lyric, after a conversation with Tom Petty's wife where Mrs Petty said she'd met Tom at the age of seventeen and Nicks misunderstood her because of her thick southern accent. So while the song isn't about older men and teenage girls, the title is.
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Kwyndig posted:Yeah a lot of recording artists get up to statutory rape and we never hear about it because the girls don't come forward, either because they don't want to or for various reasons like they're scared or they didn't know what they did was illegal. They'd be slut shamed instantly. "They knew what they were getting in for when they went backstage" and all that toxic bullshit. Or the always popular "She's just trying to bring a man low because women are evil shrews."
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Dancing Queen? Reminds me that they were really starting to scrape the barrel for Here We Go Again, so they did this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXpzPWwEFOI
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At least Madonna is leading the way for older female musicians to dip their fingers into the holes of hot boi back up dancers for the rest of their lives. Madonna in general weirds me out these days with her BDSM Military grandma look. She cannot, will not stop the horny.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:They'd be slut shamed instantly. "They knew what they were getting in for when they went backstage" and all that toxic bullshit. Yeah. I mean there's enough trouble with public opinion when the guy is accused of clearly non-consensual, sometimes even violent, sexual misconduct. I can't imagine very many people consider whatever monetary and/or emotional benefit they get from coming forward being worth the emotional - and possibly monetary - cost of having to navigate the court of public opinion. Like a clear lack of consent is not enough for most people today to call rape rape, I can't imagine they would somehow be more able to grasp the idea that a child cannot provide meaningful consent and that no matter what a 16 year old girl tells an adult man, she is not consenting.
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Le Faye Morgaine posted:At least Madonna is leading the way for older female musicians to dip their fingers into the holes of hot boi back up dancers for the rest of their lives. It's not like her brand has changed, it's just Madonna only ever wanted to be exactly who she presented as.
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OPAONI posted:It's not like her brand has changed, it's just Madonna only ever wanted to be exactly who she presented as. Aside from when she moved to England for a bit and adopted a horridly fake british accent for a couple of years.
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orribul, jest orribul
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hawowanlawow posted:orribul, jest orribul Wot's all this den?
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Madonna doesn't do anything because she wants to do it. She does it because she wants to be seen doing it - just pure "look at me look at me look at me" affectation upon affectation.
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Sweevo posted:Madonna doesn't do anything because she wants to do it. She does it because she wants to be seen doing it - just pure "look at me look at me look at me" affectation upon affectation. Oh, wow, a performer wants to be seen, HOW DARE SHE
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Sweevo posted:Madonna doesn't do anything because she wants to do it. She does it because she wants to be seen doing it - just pure "look at me look at me look at me" affectation upon affectation. Unlike every other artist in the world. Le Faye Morgaine posted:Aside from when she moved to England for a bit and adopted a horridly fake british accent for a couple of years. Nicki Minaj also does a horribly fake english accent for some reason. Reminds me of that gag in Damsels in Distress where one of the main characters decides that she's british after a short stay in England.
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Alhazred posted:Nicki Minaj also does a horribly fake english accent for some reason. It's what they get for sending people over to do terrible American accents.
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Le Faye Morgaine posted:At least Madonna is leading the way for older female musicians to dip their fingers into the holes of hot boi back up dancers for the rest of their lives. I'll never forget the conversation I had with a friend after Like A Prayer came out and she was banging on about how it was so wonderful Madonna was singing about her love for Jesus. I had to break it to her that she was actually singing about blowjobs.
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Isn't Nicki from some former British colony?
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Fish of hemp posted:Isn't Nicki from some former British colony? Trinidad and Tobago, yes.
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Ladytron sang, “they only want you when you’re seventeen, when you’re 21, you’re no fun.”
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