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landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

thinking about going to GC and impulse buying a pedal, perhaps a new OD

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landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

landgrabber posted:

thinking about going to GC and impulse buying a pedal, perhaps a new OD

btw in the past few weeks i have finished three songs structurally. never wrote melodies/lyrics, at least not yet, but i know i’m able to do it and it’s happening more often that i finish out a song like that

pocket pool
Aug 4, 2003

B U T T S

Bleak Gremlin
Today is the last day of the Neural DSP Birthday sale - most of their plugins are ~50% off.

Does anyone have recommendations? I picked up Nolly already but was toying with getting the Soldano one, too.

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

Ok Comboomer posted:

you should smoke weed when you play



like if you want to/can, I mean

I wish it helped. When I say stupid brain stuff I don't mean depression, I mean neurological issues that cause me to become fatigued and lose motor finesse that makes fine movements very difficult. Weed doesn't help, I tried lol

I don't think I've tried any other drugs tho, just some meds. Maybe I should get a crack pipe...

TEMPLE GRANDIN OS
Dec 10, 2003

...blyat
my riffa, have you tried lsd

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

i did not buy a pedal, at least not yet, but i did play a mustang 90 through a DSL40C and it was super cool.

really enjoyed how small the guitar was, too. there’re some weird shapes i have in my hands, and the strat has bit frets on top of being 25.5, so they’re difficult at times. but oh man i could just jump right to them on the mustang. it was cool.

my peach strat is still cooler than both me and you though

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015


yikes!

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
I'm interested in starting to pick up some effects, but find it a bit overwhelming. I've been watching a bunch of "Sound like-" videos from Anderton's channel but besides still throwing up a lot of option they are pretty old (the store links no longer work most often)

I might look to get a Vox V845 Wah pedal based on their Alice in Chains video, although I think I need to compare it to the V847 which it looks like I can get for a similar price.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
The current gen multi effects are really good, cool, and so much more cost effective and easy to manage than a full on pedalboard nowadays. I was looking at some the other day and the boss gt1 is pretty awesome for the utility.

Malaria
Oct 21, 2017



pocket pool posted:

Today is the last day of the Neural DSP Birthday sale - most of their plugins are ~50% off.

Does anyone have recommendations? I picked up Nolly already but was toying with getting the Soldano one, too.

I bought the Petrucci one. It's really awesome for the price. 4 amps, doubler, transposer, etc. Super cool.

The Gojira one is arguably the best metal plugin out there.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



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even the last gen or so is competent.

i picked up a line 6 m13 which doesnt do any amp sim or IR crap, it's Just Pedals, but it keeps me entertained for days. I think it sounds pretty decent, at least as long as you have a little EQ at the tail end to cut off the 2010-era DSP sizzle

pocket pool
Aug 4, 2003

B U T T S

Bleak Gremlin

Malaria posted:

I bought the Petrucci one. It's really awesome for the price. 4 amps, doubler, transposer, etc. Super cool.

The Gojira one is arguably the best metal plugin out there.

There's some overlap between that and Nolly, right? I can't justify getting both, CAN I!?

Lester Shy
May 1, 2002

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!
I can't recommend Archetype Gojira enough. I absolutely hate fiddling with digital plugins, but Gojira sounds great out of the box. The guitar sounds on both of these tracks come straight from Gojira with little-to-no tweaking.

https://soundcloud.com/lestershy/1522-005a

https://soundcloud.com/lestershy/7-15-21a

stratdax
Sep 14, 2006

I also bought the Petrucci one. Lots of different presets, enough that I probably won't ever need to fiddle around with the knobs and mic placement to find a tone I want. You can trial any Neural's plugins for two weeks so just give a trial for the day and see if you like it before pulling the trigger.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
Yeah, the gojira setup is sweeeeeet. that package really kinda drove home to me the nature of everybody's gripes that "guitar rig sounds a little cardboard", my former go-to.

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005
I haven't gotten around to moving poo poo yet because working a million hours a week always has me pooped, but do you guys think moving my desk and monitors out of the corner and more centered up on a wall will make my room sound better in a more noticeable way? I always feel like there's flub or something loving me up, even running through the high dollar amp sims. I pretty much dump 60 and turn 120 down to like -5db in my amp sims, and have LF Trim on on my Kalis just to get in a decent ballpark. Boost pedals too ofc. And it's worse the louder it is it seems, so I'm pretty sure it's just an acoustics thing. My house is hardwood, and lots of smooth surfaces. At some point I'm going to build some bass traps too. But mostly I want to know how much worth it it'll be to move my poo poo, because that's a lot of energy spoons to do or whatever they call getting the poo poo kicked out of you by life these days.

Also have a late 00s Japanese Soloist on the way, very excited. It's the smooth version of my MG Dinkys

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

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I'd try nice headphones first.

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005
I have Sennheiser HD280PRO which are like a 100 dollar pair and I never really liked them too much for guitar tone. Always just sounded a bit tinny and weak, but I think that's just how headphones are, unless really good ones mitigate that sort of thing.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

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I mean good flat level headphones into a cab sim are going to sound like the cab sim, if your speakers are boosting the bass too much that would be an issue.

Spend a half hour listening to music through the headphones immediately before mixing or judging your time through them.

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

You can get room analyzers that will just tell you what's off in your space - here's one:

https://www.roomeqwizard.com/

JamesKPolk fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Apr 19, 2022

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
I bought some $40 shenzhen special IEMs and this sounds really dumb but i love playing through those + a modest 10" powered sub. I don't have adjacent neighbors, which is a blessing because I am sure I sound dumb as gently caress.

GAS question: there's a dude selling a Helix LT with a missing volume knob for $600 obo locally. Assuming I can test it and ensure it works, this seems like a hot deal? My eleven rack is cute but the amp sims are very 2008. The missing knob indicates to me that this was beaten on so I'm a little suspicious but god drat if the guts are good that's a nice price.

syntaxfunction
Oct 27, 2010

Y'all I am listening to so much Boris right now. I just want to crank some dirt and rock my loving LP. God I miss playing guitar.

MalleusDei
Mar 21, 2007

havelock posted:

Mostly experience. The chords you'll see all have pretty standard fingering. Sometimes there's only one physical way to do them anyway.

For lead parts, eventually you'll start to recognize the scale / box patterns they were using and that will give you enough clues to find a good fingering. If you learn a few songs from the same artist, these patterns will likely be somewhat consistent, too.

If something is really goofy or not making sense, you can also look for a video of the artist playing for hints.

The nice thing is that you have many options to explore and unless the part is hugely technical there will be several ways to play that will work well and all sound the same, i.e., don't worry about it too much.

You could also post the tab here for suggestions.

JamesKPolk posted:

Not actually an answer but I was trying to do this with Iommi tabs and got frustrated and looked up some videos of him playing and he was doing something completely different, like same(ish) notes but completely different string/position

After that my criteria became "does it sound right" and "does my hand/wrist/arm not hurt" w/ a touch of "how easy is it to get to the next position" in tiebreakers

Thanks! I switched a finger, and I think it made some of the fingerings a bit more natural. Also, I watched a live performance, and the tab I was using was way off, at least in a couple parts. I found one that might be closer, but I need to match it up to the video I watched, to see.

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer
Three rehearsals, three drummers. That's where we are. The new guy is a hired gun from now until the first show but he's digging the lineup and I think he may want to stick with the band after. The first drummer was a wet blanket. The second drummer called out of his 2nd rehearsal just two hours before downbeat on a practice schedule that's already bare bones for show time on 05/07. We can't tolerate that poo poo.

And me, I am over the moon. I squeezed in a trip to Lady Faustus' hometown for Easter weekend and made it back just in time to sleep and get four hours' practice in. If the band had called out the wrong set of songs I might've looked kinda bad. I got lucky. We sounded decent and the singer is just stunning. We're gonna be rough on the first show, but the good stuff is gonna be great. Really nice venue, too.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

feel like my strings are too tight in E and just slinky enough in Eb

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
Hey all. I'm making an earnest attempt to learn to play the guitar my dad gave me before he passed, so I'll be around in the thread.

I wanted to ask, can anyone recommend some simple 19th century "folk" songs suitable for someone who's just starting out and still at the "wonder wall" stage of guitar playing? I'm interested in exploring historical songs and, AFAIK, modern dreadnaught style 6 steel string guitars originated in 18th century America, yeah?

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Jack B Nimble posted:

Hey all. I'm making an earnest attempt to learn to play the guitar my dad gave me before he passed, so I'll be around in the thread.

I wanted to ask, can anyone recommend some simple 19th century "folk" songs suitable for someone who's just starting out and still at the "wonder wall" stage of guitar playing? I'm interested in exploring historical songs and, AFAIK, modern dreadnaught style 6 steel string guitars originated in 18th century America, yeah?

Steel strings only really turned up at the beginning of the 20th century, so anything you hear from before then was originally played on what you think of as a "classical "guitar (or even older styles than that). They took off backing up 19th century fiddle tunes that eventually grew into our modern bluegrass tradition (very roughly speaking). If that's what you want, then "guitar fiddle tunes" are a good place to start exploring.

Like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyzUqNp68cM

If, however, you are thinking more like Greensleeves style "folk" you are going to want to start looking more along that classical catalog. The Hal Leonard Classical Method is a great place to start, even with your steel string. The "how to hold and pluck your classical guitar" stuff won't be as relevant if you're planning on flatpicking a steel string, but the notes are all the same and Greensleeves sounds just as good that way.

Stuff like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLCIMSZaadQ&t=1740s

But don't feel like you need to run out and buy a classical because that's what you are interested in exploring. Classical and flamenco music can sound absolutely great flat picked on a dreadnought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xssnp7R51A

Huxley fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Apr 19, 2022

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat

Huxley posted:

Steel strings only really turned up at the beginning of the 20th century, so anything you hear from before then was originally played on what you think of as a "classical "guitar (or even older styles than that). They took off backing up 19th century fiddle tunes that eventually grew into our modern bluegrass tradition (very roughly speaking). If that's what you want, then "guitar fiddle tunes" are a good place to start exploring.

If, however, you are thinking more like Greensleeves style "folk" you are going to want to start looking more along that classical catalog. The Hal Leonard Classical Method is a great place to start, even with your steel string. The "how to hold and pluck your classical guitar" stuff won't be as relevant if you're planning on flatpicking a steel string, but the notes are all the same and Greensleeves sounds just as good that way.

I was thinking more like frontier songs like "Oh my darling clementine", so definitely the first kind you mentioned. I'll see what "guitar fiddle tunes" gets me, thanks.

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
A good place to start for that, if you are comfortable reading tab, is a Parking Lot Picker's book.

https://www.amazon.com/Parking-Lot-...751723466&psc=1

It'll have a lot of those old tunes and a ton more to discover, plus chords if you want to get into recording yourself playing the chords then the melody over top. Tons of fun if you're into that kind of music.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Jack B Nimble posted:

Hey all. I'm making an earnest attempt to learn to play the guitar my dad gave me before he passed, so I'll be around in the thread.

I wanted to ask, can anyone recommend some simple 19th century "folk" songs suitable for someone who's just starting out and still at the "wonder wall" stage of guitar playing? I'm interested in exploring historical songs and, AFAIK, modern dreadnaught style 6 steel string guitars originated in 18th century America, yeah?

Hello and welcome to the best hobby, friend. I'm a folk song collector myself. Sounds like you're looking for stuff from the romantic era so here are a few of my favorites (and if these are what you're after I'll happily share some book recommendations - specifically, if you want traditional ballads start with the works of MacEdward Leach or A. L. Lloyd, or if you want american - Alan Lomax). Naturally capo and transpose and change the words to fit your whims as you find suitable to your voice, that's half the fun.

Lord Lovel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHAYxbbFoAo
http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/top-folksongs-chords/lord-lovel.htm

Lady Gay/(variant of Wife at Usher's Well - swap those lyrics in to the tune if you want more traditional lyrics)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JmC5qZCISo
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/dave-van-ronk/lady-gay-chords-1852011

Shanty Man's Life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6URSTDwtG4k
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/dave-van-ronk/shanty-mans-life-chords-1728006

The Unfortunate Rake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrY7qjmZECg
https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/misc-soundtrack/the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-the-unfortunate-lad-chords-2617719

North Country Maid/The Oak and the Ash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgxcStxiVZo
http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/folk-songs-with-chords/Oak%20And%20The%20Ash.htm

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

If you want extra easy melodies, you can google for uke tabs for songs. Most arrangements only use the first three strings, which are tuned like the first three of the guitar but higher. Capo the guitar on the fifth fret and you're there.

Edit: Also poke around the Traditional Tune Archive: https://tunearch.org/wiki/TTA

NC Wyeth Death Cult
Dec 30, 2005

He lost his life in Chadds Ford, he was dancing with a train.
Also, for American folk, look for Appalachian dulcimer music. They are usually easy, recognizable melodies over cowboy chords.

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
Thanks everyone, this is more options than I would have imagined, I appreciate everything. My evening practice sessions are a bit limited but I can dig into this more Friday and Saturday.

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

string broke while i was practicing. have never restrung this guitar before. need it today for jazz in a couple hours. god help me

nitsuga
Jan 1, 2007

whatever will you do. please let us know.

Huxley
Oct 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer
There's nothing in particular about string changes on a strat trem are there? Like, I know some of the fancy ones you have to go one at a time or in a particular order or something, but that's why I don't own one of those.

nitsuga
Jan 1, 2007

No, it's like pretty much any non-locking vibrato-equipped guitar. But changing one string at a time is probably easiest. landgrabber even has another guitar I hear.

Sorry, y'all. I'm just salty right now because I missed out on a sweet Jazz Bass.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

speaking of strings I just swapped my acoustics to monels (martin retros) and if they last as long as they're alleged to I don't see myself going back to bronze
nice sound, nice feel

landgrabber
Sep 13, 2015

nitsuga posted:

No, it's like pretty much any non-locking vibrato-equipped guitar. But changing one string at a time is probably easiest. landgrabber even has another guitar I hear.

Sorry, y'all. I'm just salty right now because I missed out on a sweet Jazz Bass.

the other guitar has vintage style tuners which are easier at least to me to string. and i've been too busy to set up that guitar for months -- chords don't sound out too well on it, and i don't have time to gently caress with everything about it.

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Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
https://digitalcommons.du.edu/cgi/v...il8do_T5bldpCVI

A short paper about the guitar in America in the 19th century. Like someone mentioned earlier steel strings were invented and adopted later than I'd thought. The article is mainly about the time before the dominance of the steel string guitar in American folk music, and even suggests that a lot of that mythology (like the cowboy guitarist) is a backwards projecting fantasy.

The final sentence reads: "This trend [meaning the decline of the guitar in popularity] would be reversed by the rise of steel-string guitar and by the coming of Segovia, but these.sre other stories..."

Can anyone recommend an article or paper about that next era, the rise of the steel-string guitar?

Edit: https://youtu.be/OW5B9_zgQYg seems like a pretty good overview. I particularly like the points that steel string guitars made of native woods could withstand the American climate in ways the guy string guitars of Spanish manufacture couldn't and also that the steel string dreadnought made a big sound suitable for early Radio.

Jack B Nimble fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Apr 20, 2022

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