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Can someone explain the senators wife to me. Like, why was she severed and for what purpose. I didn't get the point about the birth and why she doesn't remember and he mentioned something about her not wanting children?? What's her plot point? amazing show, loved binging it. The acting is perfect.
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The elite are being severed for things that are maybe unpleasant (birth) creating innies that people aren’t aware of generally and an entirely other crop of ethical questions Lumon is trying to get public support for. Edit: it really ties back to the Eagan lines about spreading Kiers severance chips and how far Lumon is taking what they’re doing and suggesting they’re more far along infiltrating the decision makers than they let on publicly. i am a moron fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Apr 18, 2022 |
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Apr 18, 2022 18:23
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lol I'm dumb and suddenly realized why they didn't use the same baby name as she said she was going to
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Apr 18, 2022 18:30
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i am a moron posted:The elite are being severed for things that are maybe unpleasant (birth) creating innies that people aren’t aware of generally and an entirely other crop of ethical questions Lumon is trying to get public support for. Oh okay. So basically they just have an innie for her when shes giving birth. And the creators daughter created an innie just to publisize how "nice" a life the innies have? Cool thanks. I'm more surprised that creating an innie basically doesn't replicate their brain development that has happened and therefore some of them are so different between their innie and outie. Like doesn't trauma, chemical abuse etc. shape your synapses or whatever they are called. People should still retain some of how they physically developed in their brain. edit: oh good thing they kept christopher walken gay on the outside as well, that would have been a can of worms.
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Apr 18, 2022 18:31
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Lascivious Sloth posted:edit: oh good thing they kept christopher walken gay on the outside as well, that would have been a can of worms. Setting aside he might be bi, there's an easy road to take without being insensitive to representation. Burt could be unhappily married to a woman as a gay man who repressed his identity due to societal pressures and the like. Audiences would get to see a side effect of severance that might come as unexpected, that Burt can be more of his true self as an innie. Incidentally the way the show went with it is great too, and the emotional drive of Irving in particular is great to watch.
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Lascivious Sloth posted:I'm more surprised that creating an innie basically doesn't replicate their brain development that has happened and therefore some of them are so different between their innie and outie. Like doesn't trauma, chemical abuse etc. shape your synapses or whatever they are called. People should still retain some of how they physically developed in their brain. as far as i understand, which isn't much but i've read a bit, yeah you would find yourself naturally behaving in ways which wouldn't have any experiential basis you could point to. there are a couple of instances through the season, like irving just sort of knowing how to drive and being surprised at this, but i think the whole memory segmentation thing is done in a broadstrokes sort of way because the most important thing is to arrive at the strict division and then introduce overlap rather than try to account for all we know about how the brain works. i'm not even sure how much of what we do and say can be said to be conscious. a lot of it is soft wired into your brain through things that happened before and created those neural pathways. you just say things, do things, and retroactively decide they make sense with the story you have in your head about who you are - or that they DON'T, and become very distressed. which we don't see much of at all in severance. i don't think that's the level the show is operating on though, it's a social critique, not an examination of consciousness. they'll dip their toes into the latter but i think what they've done so far has already contradicted the way we think human brains work so much that it's probably better if they don't try and integrate it too much, because it'll just create more contradictions.
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Apr 18, 2022 18:49
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Lascivious Sloth posted:Oh okay. So basically they just have an innie for her when shes giving birth. The two Mark’s aren’t very different personality wise. Outtie Mark seems like a pretty good guy when he isn’t wasted. Also, Helly and Helena are likely very similar personality wise. They just have different goals based on their circumstances.
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Yeah, I’ve mentioned it earlier itt but I can definitely see Helly acting off a subconscious knowledge that people are supposed to do whatever the gently caress she says posthaste. And “you smug motherfucker” seems pretty on-brand for Irving’s outie from what we’ve seen. Wouldn’t be surprised if he has a deep, almost religious fixation on ending Lumon to mirror innie Irving’s reverence for the company.
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A theory about Irv: In episode 1, when Devon makes the sandwich for Mark, she asks "Hey, how's the good doctor therapy man, with that weird little mustache?". Mark indicates he's not going to therapy. There aren't throwaway lines in this show. I bet Mark's therapist is Irv. The two don't encounter each other on the outside because Mark repeatedly says that severance is helping him therapeutically. This also would be a way writers could solve Irv banging on Burt's door. He'll either be Burt's, or Burt's partner's therapist. Maybe he specializes in severed patients. It would be very in the spirit of the show to have "Irv as artist" be misdirection. Moreover, Irv might have some connection to the severance process, possibly was seminal to its creation. He could then have undergone the procedure, with some idealistic intent that Lumon and the Eagans later subvert. Outtie Irv then sours on severance, and I think he knows innies can be psychologically conditioned. His art and sleep deprivation are attempts to recondition his innie. Prior conditioning could have made innie Irv embrace the Kier cult so fully. To undo that conditioning, he must be strident with consistent dark elevator imagery and the Ace of Spades. The song will, for sure, appear in a MDE at some point in season 2. I think there's more to the black goo than Irv's paint, but don't have a theory there.
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Apr 18, 2022 20:40
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Benagain posted:https://www.vulture.com/article/severance-behind-the-scenes-stories.html?utm_source=digg I noticed the camera change focal length when they traverse the severance barrier, but my eye's not good enough to tell if they kept using different lenses for inside and outside. Jessica Lee Gagné says they used wide angle for inside because it creates a more surveillance-cam like feeling.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they did use specific lenses to differentiate inside from outside but I do not personally believe they stuck to this exactly. There are plenty of outside shots with wide angles and inside shots with narrow angles. Which reminds me of something I wanted to mention: As "That guy who wrote essays in the Mr. Robot thread" I would be remiss not to mention that Jessica Lee Gagné and Ben Stiller have made sure to not fall into the same trap that later Mr. Robot seasons fell into. Shots like these:    And these:    They all have a purpose behind them. There's a specific feeling being conveyed, a meaning behind the shot, a story and a vibe without saying a word. Throughout the entire season this has been true, if not outright obvious, but at no point did it feel like it was done for the sake of doing it. That's the trap Mr. Robot fell into. The entire first season was shot and directed based on how the pilot was shot and directed, done well by a mix of different people ensuring they kept things crafted meticulously. This was the first season, they had to make an impression. Then the creator decided he would be the permanent director of the show and everything fell apart. Instead of putting effort behind these interesting shots, they were just thrown in wherever it seemed appropriate. It went into overkill and beat a dead horse. The off-center, out-of-focus shots were done so much that SNL ended up making a joke about it. What was once art became parody. Of course there is still the possibility that Severance could fall into this trap as well, but considering the consistency of direction and cinematography in season 1 (even though Stiller wasn't there for "the middle part,") it seems like there shouldn't be any missteps along this show's journey of creation. Plus, Mr. Robot's pilot was directed by Niels Arden Oplev with cinematography by Tim Ives, neither of which worked on any other episode of the show. Consistent production for Severance practically guarantees that they'll stick to a consistent visual script and that... that has me excited.
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Apr 19, 2022 23:05
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To anyone who enjoys the themes in this show I highly recommend the game Soma. Totally doing a replay of it now because of severance.
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Fyi, the SeveranceAppleTVPlus subreddit is hosting an AMA.with Dan Erickson on Thursday at noon PST.
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Apr 20, 2022 03:51
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That Vulture article cites Lars Tunbjork's Office as a visual reference and you can really see the aesthetic in some of the cleaner shots being referenced in Severance. Definitely a cool influence of that and The Backrooms that gives the show it's eerie vibe.
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veni veni veni posted:To anyone who enjoys the themes in this show I highly recommend the game Soma. I’m always down to +1 a SOMA recommendation. It’s such a good game. One of the best narrative experiences I’ve ever had.
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Soma been in my periphery of "games that are probably my kind of poo poo, but strangely have no motivation to seek it out" but if it's a good dragon to chase between seasons of this, I should give it some priority.
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I made a mistake in my social media actions and have ended up in the Tumblr Severance fandom and let me tell you they loving love Irving.
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Apr 21, 2022 02:36
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You smug Irving lover
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Soma is absolutely the best horror game ever made, and it has a great story.
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Cojawfee posted:No, Devon hands the baby to Cobel. I SCREAMED at my TV when that happened.
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dan erickson did an AMA on reddit, here's a link to his user page so you dont have to read the unimportant posts: https://www.reddit.com/user/DanEricksonMDR/comments/ someone asked about the "I'm your best friend - you're my very good friend" line Petey says that always had me curious if there was some extra meaning, and the answer is - nope, doc, you dummy quote:Not really, it was just some Petey snark. I think Mark's his best friend too, but that's just me. Aye Doc fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Apr 21, 2022 |
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Colonel J posted:I SCREAMED at my TV when that happened. I did a sharp gasp and my wife was like 'what?!- ooooooh shiiiit.'
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Aye Doc posted:dan erickson did an AMA on reddit, here's a link to his user page so you dont have to read the unimportant posts: lol I thought this would mean something deeper too
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Aye Doc posted:dan erickson did an AMA on reddit, here's a link to his user page so you dont have to read the unimportant posts:  I knew it !!!! :marx:
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https://twitter.com/mradamscott/status/1517223202530881536
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So I’m rewatching this masterpiece of a show after binging it over a few days and reading a pile of interviews and media. The opening to episode 5 when Mark finds Helly hanging in the elevator is all the more horrifying when you consider that in some ways he’s effectively 5 years old. His wide eyed horror really got to me.
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Apr 22, 2022 02:58
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Yeah, the innies' childlike nature hits me way harder the second time through.
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Apr 22, 2022 03:51
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That Reddit AMA gave me even more confidence in the show after such a wonderful first season.
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Apr 22, 2022 12:00
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He also said that the ebook is canon.
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drat, that pilot first draft that was linked in the AMA is super interesting: http://tvwriting.co.uk/tv_scripts/2021/Drama/Severance_1x01_-_Mister.pdf Things I've noticed are
Anyway, it was cool to see where it came from and that things like Dylan's characterization were still present, but it sure has come a long way.
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Seems like the Eagans wouldn't have even had an issue with child labor if she wanted to do that in the canonical version either. Irving is a new hire in this too, and Mark is still being hired to replace Petey.
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Haha this is a trip to read. Milchick being a marky-goober at the introduction, and crowned idiot king by cobel! Mark being the naked action man running through heavily populated cubicle labrynths and decking the security guard. Going on a walk with cobel, feeding apples to horses? The weird moonbrain Irving and fussing about the lights! teen helly? already interesting how they've rearranged the parts and ideas here, and how they remain. This draft quickly establishes the company is cool with severing teens(helly been there since 16), people who might have some vague disability or something. Little less opaque about the work, including some pre-training apparently on the part of the outtie. Catholic & angel OD on heroin chat with Cobel interesting. Wondering if they had planned a religious Kier angle yet or if maybe Cobel might have an ultierer faith in the show? quote:Dylan is 40, and despite a sense of swagger, looks vaguely diseased. lol your classic vaguely diseased coworker. i know the type but dylan is so solidly dylan in my head already. [spoiler]He stares at the computer screen in front of him. A series of green symbols, including letters, numbers and pictographs, moves across it in a single line. Interesting, originally was a lot more variety than just scary numbers. While I would've been interested in the graphic designs they would come up with, the minimalist numbers is more effective. quote:The game is to turn the green symbols blue. You have to trick them. They’ll fight you. Much more aggressive activity, department name. Plus the training aspect, less interesting if it's just "muscle/mind memory" of training done by the outtie. It being a more intuitive task done blindly allows for more runway to play with. quote:He notices a message scratched into the bottom corner of the stall: I’M TAKING ME WITH ME. Weird takeaway, but in the show, I wonder who cleans the bathrooms. quote:HELLY quote:The narrow closet appears to stretch upward forever, with hundreds of levels of shelves stacked atop one another. The ceiling, if there is one, is not visible. Mark looks back at the word UP printed on the map. I do like this kind of freaky space, gets a bit videogamey when he's sweaty crawling shelves so high he can't see the floor. Pretty cool to see how abstract of a space they were ready to jump to for this though, bodes well for future developments. Could they sneak some House of Leaves in the show? quote:Mark’s breath stops, but he keeps moving. 2spooky2fast quote:MILCHICK I think the pants were a tertiary issue. The real problem’s my personality. I’ve been told I’m just awful. All my homies friggin' hate first-draft "ol gill" Milchick quote:MARK What was in that pickle? quote:COBEL It was specific, right? That’s the other thing I wanted to talk about. See, I work for an organization that’s in the business of specificity. We don’t like not knowing things. Haha I really do not like this whole poison pickle/chained kidnapping/working for all-seeing-eye type org/rat torture/sadistic-lady-having-a-daughter deal one bit, not at all what the gently caress. I will grant them that the notion of Mark popping into a portapotty to talk to cobel about taking the job is funny. quote:Mark stands at the security station as a GUARD pats him down. Wonder how much this translates to whatever is happening to Miss Casey when she's not awake and maybe what they've done to Irv before. Very cool to read, interesting to see how much they reworked things and fleshed it out, making it more robust with less-is-more. Cobel and Milchick win award for most-improved characters.
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if anything from that script makes it into a future episode, I hope it's Patricia Arquette saying I won't lie... there were drugs in the pickle.
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Apparently Ben Stiller really pushed back against the office being so absurd and more real, I think it works a lot better that way. Way more relatable, which is another great thing about this show.
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Plus one scene with a handful of kids made the final version more surreal than the cavernous office spaces. Those were really cool in Control though!
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Aye Doc posted:if anything from that script makes it into a future episode, I hope it's Patricia Arquette saying I won't lie... there were drugs in the pickle. Do you think modern script writers are under (self inflicted) pressure to write things that would make great memes. Because that would be a pretty good meme.
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quote:https://deadline.com/2022/04/severance-season-finale-ben-stiller-dan-erickson-tease-season-2-1234987043/  I really hope whoever they bring on to direct are adept at their craft because this makes me sad.
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yeah it is a shame stiller won't be directing as many - looking at the episode list, the ones where i distinctly remember being impressed by the direction were all his. amazing at the start, then a kind of dip in the middle when he wasn't around, and a return to great stuff in the final three. not that any of it was even close to bad, it's just the episodes stiller directed had so many cool shots and sequences that i was really impressed many times.
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2 months ago I wouldn't have believed you if you said I'd be really bummed Mr. Fungus wasn't directing more eps of a show I loved.
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I'm about to re-watch the season. What are some examples of weaker mid-season scenes or directorial decisions?
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Really, it's the loss of Petey and the fun re-integration scenes that hits the most but also Irving's sleep deprivation hallucinations and strange Lumon rewards like the MDE.
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