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Play posted:The difference between being unhappy with the organization and unhappy with how much the organization pays you is pretty slim. In fact the second indicates the first to a reasonable degree, since they are the ones who decide how much or little you are paid. The source of discontent also doesn't really matter, assuming your primary concern is the ultimate outcome of that dissatisfaction. No. You're trying to dress up a really weak dunk as some kind of insight, and it's a bit sad really.
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Coldforge posted:No. You're trying to dress up a really weak dunk as some kind of insight, and it's a bit sad really. I think arguing that the guy who is publicly feuding with his employer over his pay is actually perfectly happy with the organization is pretty weird. I know if my employer refused to pay me what I think I’m worth I’d consider that a problem with the organization.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I think arguing that the guy who is publicly feuding with his employer over his pay is actually perfectly happy with the organization is pretty weird. Who argued that.
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DariusLikewise posted:https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/1515100066381500419?s=21&t=BMGVHFKJViraR8uDKiEWGg Is it worthwhile to just restate that headline as receiving death threats and racist comments from racists and trolls? They might be 49ers fans too, but let's be honest, they're one thing first and the other thing second.
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And this is why I hate social media. Poor Deebo. Also scrolled and there are bootlilckers saying he should shut up and take less pay. Nah how about you shut up.
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It’s an unfortunate side effect of the salary cap in American sports than fans and teams have a competitive interest in players being underpaid, as opposed to it just being some billionaire’s money All those people can eat a bag of glass of course. but you can’t deny that you’re happy when a player gets a big (fair) contract for another team because it makes them worse, and when a player gets signed for under market by your team that makes them better
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I think arguing that the guy who is publicly feuding with his employer over his pay is actually perfectly happy with the organization is pretty weird. “I think I should be paid X and will continue to work with you if you pay me X but will otherwise not work with you” is, in fact, different from “I have major problems with your organization regardless of pay and you therefore can’t pay me enough to work with you.” The unfollowing on social media still gets interpreted as the latter when it actually has often become a component of the former. King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Apr 17, 2022 |
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King Hong Kong posted:“I think I should be paid X and will continue to work with you if you pay me X but will otherwise not work with you” is, in fact, different from “I have major problems with your organization regardless of pay and you therefore can’t pay me enough to work with you.” I don’t think it matters how much he loves everything else about the organization if he’s not willing to play for them for the money they are willing to pay him. And if he’s taken to making his grievance public then it’s pretty clear he’s not hearing what he wants in private. Maybe it only means the chances that he’s on the 49ers next year is 95% instead of 100% but that’s still something. Players take contracts seriously and contract disagreements lead to guys getting traded every year.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I don’t think it matters how much he loves everything else about the organization if he’s not willing to play for them for the money they are willing to pay him. And if he’s taken to making his grievance public then it’s pretty clear he’s not hearing what he wants in private. No one disagrees with any of that. It’s the notion that what is actually a negotiating tactic to get more money signifies anything more than a negotiating tactic to get more money that is mistaken. It should go without saying that if he doesn’t actually get the money he wants, he is prepared to leave. But that’s completely different than signifying he is definitely leaving because the organization could (in theory) still pay him whatever it takes to stay. King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Apr 17, 2022 |
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King Hong Kong posted:No one disagrees with any of that. It’s the notion that what is actually a negotiating tactic to get more money signifies anything more than a negotiating tactic to get more money that is mistaken. It should go without saying that if he doesn’t actually get the money he wants, he is prepared to leave. But that’s completely different than signifying he is definitely leaving because the organization could (in theory) still pay him whatever it takes to stay. Right, so you agree that him deleting his social media wasn’t nothing and that it was indicative of an issue that could result in him no longer being on the team, and that that would be bad. Glad you’ve come around.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Right, so you agree that him deleting his social media wasn’t nothing and that it was indicative of an issue that could result in him no longer being on the team, and that that would be bad. Glad you’ve come around. You are disagreeing just to be contrarian. I never said it was “nothing” and literally said he could leave before you even posted about this. My point is that it isn’t what people treat it like (i.e. Play’s remark about being upset with the team itself and things getting “dramatic” and it therefore being a sign of insurmountable non-compensation discontentment), it’s a negotiation over compensation. Since there are plenty of situations in the NFL that are about other types of discontentment, it’s useful to separate them and relying on the social media thing as a signifier of what kind of issue it is doesn’t exactly hold up anymore. King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Apr 17, 2022 |
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no team should be able to have the same qb for more than 3 seasons its cheating
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Ornery and Hornery posted:no team should be able to have the same qb for more than 3 seasons its cheating Holy poo poo this is actually a fantastic parity idea
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Greetings from Roozengaarde, where they almost made a Seahawk.
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Y tho https://twitter.com/NBCSEdgeFB/status/1516552229758504962?s=19
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*calls Brad Holmes’ office number in the middle of the night from a payphone in the middle of nowhere and just whispers TRADE FOR DEEBO SAMUEL ten times into the voicemail; hangs up the phone and fades into the shadows*
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I'm trying to figure out what Deebo is so frustrated about, because it seems like the Niners are the team best equipped to get the most out of his skillset.
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Deebo isn't going anywhere but also isn't in a hurry to sign a deal because he isn't gonna be the first of all the stud wrs up for a deal to sign one (and get the least of em all)
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Spoeank posted:Deebo isn't going anywhere but also isn't in a hurry to sign a deal because he isn't gonna be the first of all the stud wrs up for a deal to sign one (and get the least of em all) According to some of the Athletic reports, Deebo, AJ and DK all share the same agent, and part of the issue is that the agent is pushing hard to get Deebo signed first to set a floor for the other two.
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https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1516819376225333259?s=20&t=b54xpj5Qq6Fl61KjMd7Keg
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DariusLikewise posted:https://twitter.com/JeffDarlington/status/1516819376225333259?s=20&t=b54xpj5Qq6Fl61KjMd7Keg Finally, some good loving news.
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If he doesn’t want to be in SF because of utilization (as the latest rumor goes), then at least it’s a silver lining that a bunch of teams are rumored to be bidding for him. Always bad to lose an excellent player, but the team’s recent WR drafting hasn’t been bad.
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I think this is really weird, to be honest. Yeah he wants to get paid, maybe he doesn't want to play RB/WR combo so much, but he's on a team that can win a superbowl and that's a very precious thing. Does he think he's going to be way better off as a dolphin or a jet or something?
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Leperflesh posted:I think this is really weird, to be honest. Yeah he wants to get paid, maybe he doesn't want to play RB/WR combo so much, but he's on a team that can win a superbowl and that's a very precious thing. Does he think he's going to be way better off as a dolphin or a jet or something? as a packer he can
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MakaVillian posted:Didn't seem to have a problem with utilization during the season Well, it seems to have been a plus for his market value and if he can get a higher salary with a less punishing role, it all works out well* for him. *excluding perhaps the quality of the team.
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What do the packers have that they could trade to the niners for deebo anyway? Also the pack currently has only about $14M of salary cap space. Rodgers has priced himself out of the ability to have expensive offensive pieces aside from the guys he's got right now, what with his $28M cap hit for 2022.
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This sucks, Deebo was quickly becoming an all-time favorite Niner for me
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Same, just when we thought we had our number 1 WR, football gods said haha NO.
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Deebo is a fun player and I'm happy he's going to get paid well, somewhere far away from the NFC West.
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Has there been any mention of what his complaint actually is? Does he just not wanted to be used as an RB? Did he see Lance practice and realize he is terrible? It seems odd, his RB usage is what bumped him from good to elite last year, so if teams are going to pay him top tier WR money they will probably expect him to run occasionally, and if not then why should they offer top money? He has had one good year (and decent rookie year), seems kind of premature to lump him in with someone like Adams until he repeats it at least once.
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I'm not convinced deebo is worth a mega contract if he is balking at doing the runs, sweeps, and behind the los scrimmage work he was doing for SF. he certainly had moments as a more traditional WR but i'm not convinced he's a davante adams or jamarr chase type receiver
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Which team will Deebo end up on? April 20th odds 49ers: -150 (bet $10 to win $16.67 total) New York Jets: +250 (bet $10 to win $35 total) Colts: +400 (bet $10 to win $50 total) Packers: +550 (bet $10 to win $65 total) Falcons: +750 (bet $10 to win $85 total) Saints: +900 (bet $10 to win $100 total) Titans: +1100 (bet $10 to win $120 total) Eagles: +1500 (bet $10 to win $160 total) Commanders: +1800 (bet $10 to win $190 total) This is pretty concerning for a Niners' fan, market thinks there's only a 60% chance he remains a Niner, yikes
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DeimosRising posted:I'm not convinced deebo is worth a mega contract if he is balking at doing the runs, sweeps, and behind the los scrimmage work he was doing for SF. he certainly had moments as a more traditional WR but i'm not convinced he's a davante adams or jamarr chase type receiver He had 1400 yards on 77 receptions which is almost exactly what Chase had. Sure, it’s his first year like that, but he doesn’t have Joe Burrow throwing to him either. In 2019 he was a rookie and fighting Kittle and Sanders for targets. In 2020 the QB situation was all hosed up.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:He had 1400 yards on 77 receptions which is almost exactly what Chase had. Sure, it’s his first year like that, but he doesn’t have Joe Burrow throwing to him either. In 2019 he was a rookie and fighting Kittle and Sanders for targets. In 2020 the QB situation was all hosed up. those catches were of a completely different type. look at their average depth of catch and air yards
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