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Sonic Dude posted:I don’t understand why a single charging port is the norm. It’s electricity. Put one on each corner and on the roof, who cares? People consistently fail to park at gas pumps with the tank on the correct side, and this is a problem that electric cars could just solve. cost i dont wanna pay more for a car because other people are loving dumb as poo poo and can't figure out where the charging point is
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Shai-Hulud posted:Are there any real disadvantages to just having the charge port at the front of the car? Because that seems like a pretty good location. I've driven a Leaf in winter quite a bit, sometimes the slushy spray packs around the port and makes it hard to open. Particularly when you go from a milder area with slushy snow, up into a very cold area where it freezes. Due to aero, having it somewhere on the tail would actually be worse. I guess being in a fender-bender could break it, but that holds true from all sides. If it's just a parking lot bump, you might ruin the lid but you could still charge it.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:cost Fun fact: you’re already paying exactly as much as the vehicle manufacturers believe you will, regardless of what actual hardware goes into the design. Pricing is not a margin game, it’s a market tolerance calculation.
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Sonic Dude posted:Fun fact: you’re already paying exactly as much as the vehicle manufacturers believe you will, regardless of what actual hardware goes into the design. Pricing is not a margin game, it’s a market tolerance calculation. correct and market tolerance is based on features and customer perception of value of those features, so prices will certainly increase as a result. the market doesn't have individual price discrimination (at least controlled by the manufacturer) so you are paying as much as the vehicle manufacturers believe target consumers will pay for the car, not you specifically.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:They should just work on wireless car charging, imo. SAE J2954 was finalized late in 2020, so its already here, but its expensive. One company I found is $3-4,000USD for the charging pad and car adaptor, but that does not include installation for the pad or the vehicle. Pretty sure its going to void your warranty on just about any EV, so have fun. Its uhhh... Easier to just plug the damned thing in.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:correct and market tolerance is based on features and customer perception of value of those features, so prices will certainly increase as a result. Eh, I think with discretionary/variable market “adjustments” at the dealership level, we’ve reached the point of late-stage capitalism where you’re paying every cent as much as you will pay for the car, individually. You’re probably correct for a “normal” market, though.
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To a non-EV-owning observer it seems like a charge port in front of the driver's door would be the most convenient for home charging because it's right there when you're getting in/out of the car regardless of which direction you may have approached from. If I were designing a car I'd then also put one somewhere in the rear passenger quarter to maximize the chances that any given charging cord can reach.
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Sonic Dude posted:Eh, I think with discretionary/variable market “adjustments” at the dealership level, we’ve reached the point of late-stage capitalism where you’re paying every cent as much as you will pay for the car, individually. You’re probably correct for a “normal” market, though. those ADMs are market variable not individually variable
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Shai-Hulud posted:Are there any real disadvantages to just having the charge port at the front of the car? Because that seems like a pretty good location. Backing in is the correct way to park 
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Qwijib0 posted:Backing in is the correct way to park drat right. Now please convince my wife.
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A lot of the Electrify America stations that I've seen kind of assume a front port, their cords are short and I have to back into them to reach the Polestar 2's charging port (rear driver side). As for a home charger location, it's going to depend on your car. Placing it near the front driver side (in whichever direction you prefer to park in) would cover most of your bases. L2 charging cables are very long so you should be fine in any case
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Ola posted:I've driven a Leaf in winter quite a bit, sometimes the slushy spray packs around the port and makes it hard to open. Particularly when you go from a milder area with slushy snow, up into a very cold area where it freezes. Due to aero, having it somewhere on the tail would actually be worse. Kias and Hyundais with front charge ports will freeze shut in winter under those circumstances. At least for Norwegians :P
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I really hate the structural column in the middle of my garage, it makes it difficult/impossible to open certain doors. That said, it is the best place to mount the EVSE.
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Sonic Dude posted:I don’t understand why a single charging port is the norm. It’s electricity. Put one on each corner and on the roof, who cares? People consistently fail to park at gas pumps with the tank on the correct side, and this is a problem that electric cars could just solve. Grovercar. Plugs everywhere!
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This EV supports DP Dual ports
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I don't live in some snow covered hellscape so have never had any issues with the front port on my Leaf - because it's still the most common EV most DC chargers are positioned to suit.
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I live in a snow covered hellscape, and I believe the Tesla 3 has an air vent that goes to the charge port, because the charger door has never been frozen shut for me even after freezing rain so long as I preheated the car. The Leaf was sometimes problematic, as previously mentioned.
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They just have to distinguish their EVs from the rest of their models by adding blue accents.
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Three Olives posted:BMW i7: Not sure if the kidneys have bristly nose hair, or are bulging as if it was an iX being squeezed.
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MrYenko posted:SAE J2954 was finalized late in 2020, so its already here, but its expensive. One company I found is $3-4,000USD for the charging pad and car adaptor, but that does not include installation for the pad or the vehicle. Pretty sure its going to void your warranty on just about any EV, so have fun. Way too expensive. Just put Scalextric contact strips under the car.
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Three Olives posted:BMW i7: lol
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It’s worth noting that those are for the rear seat passengers. This is a car to be driven around in.
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Is there a reason the industry has gone with permanent internal batteries you recharge externally vs having a sort of gas station where you drive up, a machine disconnects and removes a depleted battery pack and replaces it with one that had been charging at the station the whole time?
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what they should do is drain a liquid electrolyte and pump fresh stuff back in. I think Gatorade would work. Could refuel just like a gas car.
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bird with big dick posted:what they should do is drain a liquid electrolyte and pump fresh stuff back in. I think Gatorade would work. Could refuel just like a gas car. Brawndo. Drain the depleted electrolyte directly onto a co-located garden. MrYenko fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Apr 20, 2022 |
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Too much variation in battery type, shape, and capacity. Tesla probably could have done this since they decided to create their own charging network but I assume that the logistics of completely replacing the battery was too time consuming and error-prone due to differences in layout even between Tesla models
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:those ADMs are market variable not individually variable They literally are, though. A dealer can adjust or remove those as they see fit, at any time, for any person they want to sell a vehicle to. Zero One posted:Grovercar. Plugs everywhere! They have to all be different shapes. J1772, CCS1, CCS2, CHAdeMO, Magnacharge…
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xarph posted:Is there a reason the industry has gone with permanent internal batteries you recharge externally vs having a sort of gas station where you drive up, a machine disconnects and removes a depleted battery pack and replaces it with one that had been charging at the station the whole time? Short answer: Yes there is a sensible reason for that: Total system throughput over time. Long answer: Some still haven't quite given it up. Nio are doing battery swaps, they have a few stations going and at least one in Norway. But it is a terrible concept, as
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Nio's battery swaps seem to be doing pretty well in China but I think that's due to pretty much everyone not having access to charging at home or work.
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xarph posted:Is there a reason the industry has gone with permanent internal batteries you recharge externally vs having a sort of gas station where you drive up, a machine disconnects and removes a depleted battery pack and replaces it with one that had been charging at the station the whole time? Tesla at least originally intended to have the S and X share enough of the undercarriage that they could share battery modules, and they even built a station that could change the battery in a S (though a strong case has been made that this was solely to game California's system and not intended for actual use). Once it became clear that the X platform couldn't just be a S with jacked up suspension they dropped the idea. The 3 and Y put a bunch more nails in that coffin. It could be doable in the commercial truck world because there's already a lot of standardization as far as chassis dimensions so upfits can be more or less universal, battery modules could likely work within those rules. bird with big dick posted:what they should do is drain a liquid electrolyte and pump fresh stuff back in. I think Gatorade would work. Could refuel just like a gas car.
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Liquid flow batteries are a real interesting idea, I just wonder what happens in a crash or other scenario where the two sides are mixed uncontrolled. Does it just burn and release smoke roughly as toxic as a burning pool of petrol (which would probably be acceptable), or does it light off like hypergolic rocket propellant being both highly toxic and extremely explosive.
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Indiana_Krom posted:Liquid flow batteries are a real interesting idea, I just wonder what happens in a crash or other scenario where the two sides are mixed uncontrolled. Does it just burn and release smoke roughly as toxic as a burning pool of petrol (which would probably be acceptable), or does it light off like hypergolic rocket propellant being both highly toxic and extremely explosive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHxSLwswKuY
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Flow batteries are only practical for stationary applications, where you can have huge tanks storing thousands of gallons of electrolyte. They'll never be usable in an automobile.
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https://www.theguardian.com/austral...6OjwTr8ELHOBqDE Dont know if anything more has come from this but they had prototypes out in the wild
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Deteriorata posted:Flow batteries are only practical for stationary applications, where you can have huge tanks storing thousands of gallons of electrolyte. They'll never be usable in an automobile. Yeah probably, that is the only application where I've seen flow batteries seriously mentioned. Plenty of power utilities already handle volatile materials (coal, gas, nuclear) so it wouldn't be anything particularly new to them, and if they are high capacity and high cycle life then it would just make sense to utilize them for grid storage.
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i'm picturing that screen sluggishly transitioning full seconds after the user swipes it user taps a button and spotify stutters and jerks into view
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Sonic Dude posted:They literally are, though. A dealer can adjust or remove those as they see fit, at any time, for any person they want to sell a vehicle to. lol if you think dealers are doing anything other than slapping an ADM on the window sticker like dealer vehicle pricing is one of the least sophisticated pieces of nonsense in an antiquated and stupid industry
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So BWW hired Xzibit?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:They should just work on wireless car charging, imo. What I was gonna say. Can’t fuckin wait to just pull into a parking spot and walk back after my errands to a nice increase in battery %
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